Jeremy Kyle AXED

14-05-2019 04:26PM

Candie wrote: »

Lives with no advantages or redeeming features discernible, crappy is as accurate a description as any.

There are a number of points in your post I had wanted to take issue with, but I think that would bore you and everyone else reading this. The above statement is, however, central to this discussion.

You have quite correctly identified the lives of Jeremy Kyle's guests as being (I don't want to put words in your mouth) sad, pathetic and lonely. In a word, crappy. Fair observation.

Nevertheless, my observation of these people is that they know their lives are considered to be crappy but they embrace that, regardless. When they are in love, or when some toothless suitor proves his love via a "lie detector", they are as happy in love as you or I, with our fretting and philosophising, might ever be.

Some of them may not be able to spell the word 'existentialist', but they live it, with force. Nathan from Brixton who gave his partner crabs doesn't care about admitting his infidelity to the world, it is immaterial to him. He just wants Nathalie back.

These people are pure romantics, and utterly free. They know they are being exploited, but that's someone else's problem. We should all be like them, to be quite honest.

14-05-2019 04:32PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Dickens and other repredentatives of realism in literature invented characters to represent the life as accurately as they thought it was possible. (Dickens was probably more romantic than Balzac or Flauberbut but still.) Shows like Jeremy Kyle find extreme characters to misrepresent certain groups of people as more deplorable than they are. Both approaches are fiction, only one is pretending to be the truth.

I dont know whether I disagree with you or not. I think I agree, but in response to the italicised bit, we all live as deplorably and outrageously as these characters, from time to time. But the only reason why one class is represented is because they have nothing to lose.

I fundamentally disagree that their experiences are fictitious. I think it is the bourgeois, self-satisfied narrative of outward domestic bliss that is ridiculous, self-serving and completely lacking in credibility. In other words, unreal.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 14-05-2019 04:52PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I dont know whether I disagree with you or not. I think I agree, but in response to the italicised bit, we all live as deplorably and outrageously as these characters, from time to time. But the only reason why one class is represented is because they have nothing to lose.

I fundamentally disagree that their experiences are fictitious. I think it is the bourgeois, self-satisfied narrative of outward domestic bliss that is ridiculous, self-serving and completely lacking in credibility. In other words, unreal.

When somebody says someone is "a bit Jeremy Kyle" or words to that effect, would you say they're generally using that positively? Do you think the existence of memes like "Jeremy Kyle teeth" or whatever empower the working class?

You choosing to engage with this ironically as some kind of fascinating celebratory spectacle is fine, but you have to see that it's a show that has made people rich by exploiting and reinforcing stereotypes about the indigenous white poor, pretty much the last acceptable group to treat this way and have these views of. It's the gawping under guise of concern and guidance that people have been engaging in since medieval carnivals through human zoos through this.

As I said, dress it up however you like but that is what it boils down to, your spinning it as some kind of ingenuous expression of existentialism isn't much better than the people who watch it to just straight up laugh at the chavs.

fryup · 14-05-2019 09:32PM

its basically a british version of jerry springer

and Kyle himself is an egocentric, of course he acts all hard & tough when he has those big burly bodyguards backstage

Archeron · 14-05-2019 09:52PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

I feel a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of unemployed suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly bored and unsure about what to do with their afternoon.

Save you all, Judge Judy will.

14-05-2019 09:57PM

Gabriella Square Carp wrote: »

When somebody says someone is "a bit Jeremy Kyle" or words to that effect, would you say they're generally using that positively? Do you think the existence of memes like "Jeremy Kyle teeth" or whatever empower the working class?

They're not using that positively. And Jeremy Kyle does not empower the working class (at least, not intentionally).

I want to be clear. Jeremy Kyle is a cnut of the highest order. But all those beautiful, ugly, ordinary, and most of all *real* people? I think they're genuinely wonderful. Their life stories vary from Greek tragedy ('I'm in love with my brother-in-law' ) to the surreal ('Who stole my baby's golden bangle?').

It is human life at its most elementary and most valid. Don't knock it!

youreadthat · 14-05-2019 11:18PM

Farawayhome wrote: »

I watched a small bit of this show before, it was very informative. It showed me why Brexit happened.

It's cute that you think these people vote.

Laois_Man · 14-05-2019 11:31PM

Some of tomorrows rags going to town on poor old Jeremy

Everything from 'I nearly killed myself because of him too' to him apparently having been in hiding....for like 3 hours!

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-48276150?ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=twitter&ocid=socialflow_twitter&ns_mchannel=social

Rothko · 14-05-2019 11:40PM

ziedth wrote: »

If I remember right it happened to one of the "Big" day time talk shows in the US in the 90's? (Sally or something maybe) and it cancelled the show...... Hard to pull back from something like that especially these days

I think that was the jenny Jones show.

endacl · 14-05-2019 11:44PM

Opened the thread after taking the OP at his word. Very disappointed. Apparently Kyle is alive and well, and there wasn't an actual axe involved.

Gimme A Pound · 14-05-2019 11:44PM

ziedth wrote: »

If I remember right it happened to one of the "Big" day time talk shows in the US in the 90's? (Sally or something maybe) and it cancelled the show...... Hard to pull back from something like that especially these days

I don't know of one that led to a suicide but there was a literal murder on the back of the Jenny Jones show - it was a "Guess who has a crush on you?" edition. One of the people who was revealed to have a crush on a male guest was another man. The guy was not impressed with his crush being a man, and felt humiliated... so he shot the guy...

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

It was absolute crap but it was bound to happen now we are living in the age of snowflakes culture.

The man killed himself - ffs is that really the right context in which to use the "snowflake" jibe?

buried · 14-05-2019 11:46PM

ITV may have AXED it but sure all that means is some other grim TV station like DAVE/DEL BOY/ RODNEY fm or whatever the f**k else is just going to sign this lads shtick right back up anyways

15-05-2019 12:03AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

They're not using that positively. And Jeremy Kyle does not empower the working class (at least, not intentionally).

I want to be clear. Jeremy Kyle is a cnut of the highest order. But all those beautiful, ugly, ordinary, and most of all *real* people? I think they're genuinely wonderful. Their life stories vary from Greek tragedy ('I'm in love with my brother-in-law' ) to the surreal ('Who stole my baby's golden bangle?').

It is human life at its most elementary and most valid. Don't knock it!

The lengths you’ve gone to to defend this show on this thread disturbs me.

Gimme A Pound · 15-05-2019 12:14AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The lengths you’ve gone to to defend this show on this thread disturbs me.

Something tells me Tyrant might not be entirely serious...

15-05-2019 12:26AM

Nylah Warm Blanket wrote: »

Something tells me Tyrant might not be entirely serious...

Actually, I really am. In fact, I thought a lot more people would be similarly intrigued by the programme. It wasn't just me who watched it, after all.

You don't have to like Jeremy Kyle to have watched the show. You don't have to hate the poor to have enjoyed it (quite the opposite. I mostly watched it hoping that someone would smash Kyle's face in)

dd973 · 15-05-2019 01:15AM

Kyle's probably on about £300k a year and 'worth' £4m to produce this garbage, if he finds these chavs so appalling as his perma-frown suggests then why doesn't he and his ilk spread a bit of their wealth and opportunity around a bit?

Atoms for Peace · 15-05-2019 07:01AM

That show gives me shivers just thinking about it. It almost justifies eugenics, the state of the guests, ugh.

98q76e12hrflnk · 15-05-2019 07:17AM

youreadthat wrote: »

It's cute that you think these people vote.

A typical know it all looking down on people.

Hercule Poirot · 15-05-2019 07:19AM

youreadthat wrote: »

It's cute that you think these people vote.

Brexit is probably the one thing they did go out and vote for

15-05-2019 07:31AM

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

That show gives me shivers just thinking about it. It almost justifies eugenics, the state of the guests, ugh.

that's a very interesting reaction. Would you look upon some people you admire and declare that they "almost justify eugenics" (in the sense that we should select for their traits?)

I suspect you would not. Yet, when you are confronted with people whom you dislike, one of your reactions to to swerve towards genocide.

This brings me back to a point I was trying to make earlier. The real tragedy of Jeremy Kyle isn't on the stage, but among the angrier members of the audience. Some people just go crazy for the sins of others, and almost become obsessive about it.

You see the same thing in those hysterical social-welfare threads.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-05-2019 07:50AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

that's a very interesting reaction. Would you look upon some people you admire and declare that they "almost justify eugenics" (in the sense that we should select for their traits?)

No, just Kyle (and I certainly don't "admire" him)

15-05-2019 08:14AM

I don’t watch Jeremy but why should it be axed I’d love island is still on the air 2 people killed them selves are the show and yet it’s still on

Idbatterim · 15-05-2019 08:18AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don’t watch Jeremy but why should it be axed I’d love island is still on the air 2 people killed them selves are the show and yet it’s still on

The guests that go on jerky Kyle are likely psychologically a lot more screwed than those that go on love island. Doesn’t massively surprise me if something happens to a jk guest. But the love island ones are awful !

branie2 · 15-05-2019 09:05AM

Breaking news on sky: The show has been cancelled

15-05-2019 09:05AM

Its been axed

Mam of 4 · 15-05-2019 09:08AM

Good , no matter who the guests were or how bad they may have been , Vile Kyle was like a badger baiter , shouting , derogatory , just waiting for the participants to kill each other .

sbsquarepants · 15-05-2019 09:13AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It is human life at its most elementary and most valid. Don't knock it!

I have my doubts to be honest.

pgj2015 · 15-05-2019 09:43AM

pity it was axed, will miss it. you cant say that that guest killed himself because he was on the show, who knows why he really killed himself, only he knew why he did it. what if someone goes on who wants to be a millionaire and leaves with nothing, takes it really badly, everyone laughing at him in the pub and on the street, he kills himself, do they then axe the show?

The outrage society is really pathetic. as someone said on a thread lately, years ago we had men running at machine gun fire, now we have college students playing with dogs on campus because they are stressed at doing an arts degree exam lol

Gimme A Pound · 15-05-2019 09:56AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Actually, I really am.

I don't believe you - because of all the over wrought language. But I am giving you a reaction which is what you want.

However, I will say that you're speaking about the guests in a condescending way that would have them responding with just

Middle-class people being "down" with the proletariat is cringe. And extremely middle-class.

branie2 · 15-05-2019 09:57AM

What will Jezza do now?

Jeremy Kyle AXED

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