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How big will my fine be for non payment of m 50 toll

  • 16-04-2019 10:56am
    #1
    rugbyman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭


    Hello all, have Google this and got nowhere.we allowed a fine to go unpaid.(have settled a few cases for reasonable sums.)this particular one got too big. I rang up and offered 50euro,it was declined.its not a great problem for me, I will attend the court, without a solicitor and explain above to judge. My question is can anyone point out a similar case so I can estimate the possible fine. Google and boards.ie have shown me many cases of big fines where over 100journeys were unpaid.i am talking one one unpaid trip.any info folks?


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  • #2
    gipi
    Registered Users Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭gipi


    There's an explanation of how the fines are applied at the end of this article

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ten-motorists-fined-100-000-for-unpaid-m50-tolls-1.3862180?mode=amp


  • #3
    rugbyman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    gipi wrote: »
    There's an explanation of how the fines are applied at the end of this article

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ten-motorists-fined-100-000-for-unpaid-m50-tolls-1.3862180?mode=amp

    Thanks gipi, what I am looking for is a newspaper report, or perhaps an actual poster who can say how much the fine was in a similar case to mine.i.e.one trip, fifty Euro offered and declined.


  • #4
    garv123
    Registered Users Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭garv123


    rugbyman wrote: »
    Hello all, have Google this and got nowhere.we allowed a fine to go unpaid.(have settled a few cases for reasonable sums.)this particular one got too big. I rang up and offered 50euro,it was declined.its not a great problem for me, I will attend the court, without a solicitor and explain above to judge. My question is can anyone point out a similar case so I can estimate the possible fine. Google and boards.ie have shown me many cases of big fines where over 100journeys were unpaid.i am talking one one unpaid trip.any info folks?

    How much is the fine to say you'd rather pay a solicitor and go to court instead of paying it? :confused:


  • #5
    RossieMan
    Registered Users Posts: 6,766 ✭✭✭RossieMan


    rugbyman wrote:
    Thanks gipi, what I am looking for is a newspaper report, or perhaps an actual poster who can say how much the fine was in a similar case to mine.i.e.one trip, fifty Euro offered and declined.

    Up to 5k if I remember correctly.
    You won't even get to give a defence in court I'd imagine. It's fairly black and white regarding paying fines.


  • #6
    rugbyman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    rugbyman wrote: »
    Thanks gipi, what I am looking for is a newspaper report, or perhaps an actual poster who can say how much the fine was in a similar case to mine.i.e.one trip, fifty Euro offered and declined.

    Good,i did not read that as o an not a contributor.however I read similar articles.i care not about 150+multiple offenders.i do understand how the fees increase,no great problem with that either
    If the info I seek(court fines for people who go to court over one trip) appearsit may be of help to many


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  • #7
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Most people aren't going to court over one as it'll cost then vastly more than paying

    By the time it gets to court they'll have had significantly more than 50 of costs in chasing you so they'd never take an offer that low


  • #8
    Kevwoody
    Registered Users Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭Kevwoody


    How much are they looking for you to pay OP?


  • #9
    rugbyman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    L1011 wrote: »
    Most people aren't going to court over one as it'll cost then vastly more than paying

    By the time it gets to court they'll have had significantly more than 50 of costs in chasing you so they'd never take an offer that low

    l1011.thanks for reply ,is that not a good reason for them to accept the 50 .as you say it will cost more to send their solicitors to court.i think the current charge they are looking for is about 1.000. I want to go to court, what I am looking for here is info on anyone who went before me,i.e. attended, explained, and got dealt with.
    Regards


  • #10
    rugbyman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    Kevwoody wrote: »
    How much are they looking for you to pay OP?

    Around 1,000. Kev.


  • #11
    Kevwoody
    Registered Users Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭Kevwoody


    You say you want to explain what happened to the judge. How many letters from eflow did you receive before it reached €1,000?
    That's going to be pretty hard to defend.


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  • #12
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Have you registered for video payment or bought a tag in the meantime? This is vital for getting some mercy.


  • #13
    rugbyman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    RossieMan wrote: »
    Up to 5k if I remember correctly.
    You won't even get to give a defence in court I'd imagine. It's fairly black and white regarding paying fines.

    That sounds terribly high Rossieman.how could I be summonsed to court and not allowed to speak??


  • #14
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,664 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    rugbyman wrote: »
    Around 1,000. Kev.

    And you offered just 50?

    I think you need to up your offer to 250-400 to have any hope of it been accepted.


  • #15
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,318 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    They will in all likelihood not summon you to court for one toll.
    It would cost more than they can recoup, even with their quasi legal fines added in.


  • #16
    rugbyman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    Kevwoody wrote: »
    You say you want to explain what happened to the judge. How many letters from eflow did you receive before it reached €1,000?
    That's going to be pretty hard to defend.

    We got all the usual letters, for whatever reason we ignored them is not the point here.i will not find it hard to defend my stupidity in not paying. But what I am seeking today is info on what some other person in similar circumstances, got fined


  • #17
    rugbyman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    Have you registered for video payment or bought a tag in the meantime? This is vital for getting some mercy.

    Thank you Charles, not video, but we would possibly have paid on time for further trips, am not sure


  • #18
    RossieMan
    Registered Users Posts: 6,766 ✭✭✭RossieMan


    Out of interest, what would your defence in court be? From what I can see from your posts, you have no defence.

    If you go to court with the attitude you have here you'll get the maximum fine the court can give I'd imagine.

    Offer to pay half. Learn a lesson.


  • #19
    Rulmeq
    Registered Users Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭Rulmeq


    rugbyman wrote: »
    Thank you Charles, not video, but we would possibly have paid on time for further trips, am not sure


    Get a tag, seriously the hassel and stress involved here is well worth the €12 for the year.


  • #20
    Alun
    Registered Users Posts: 21,418 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    Rulmeq wrote: »
    Get a tag, seriously the hassel and stress involved here is well worth the €12 for the year.
    Or if you rarely use any other tolls apart from the M50, get a video account, absolutely 100% free and you get a (smaller) discount on the toll too.


  • #21
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,234 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the notion that for a fine of €1000, they'd even consider accepting €50 without laughing, you're on a hiding to nothing.
    the last thing they want (bar accepting a ludicrously low offer to settle) is word getting out of them accepting 95% haircuts on their fines.


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  • #22
    patmahe
    Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭patmahe


    Funny enough, just found this article which may make you rethink your course of action.

    http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/motorists-accused-of-dodging-m50-tolls-handed-fines-totalling-%e2%82%ac100000/ar-BBVYMLU?ocid=ientp


  • #23
    Dakota Dan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    patmahe wrote: »
    Funny enough, just found this article which may make you rethink your course of action.

    http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/motorists-accused-of-dodging-m50-tolls-handed-fines-totalling-%e2%82%ac100000/ar-BBVYMLU?ocid=ientp

    Looks like the op will have to cough up whether he likes it or not.


  • #24
    rugbyman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    the notion that for a fine of €1000, they'd even consider accepting €50 without laughing, you're on a hiding to nothing.
    the last thing they want (bar accepting a ludicrously low offer to settle) is word getting out of them accepting 95% haircuts on their fines.

    Magic,i offered 50at an earlier stage, not sure at what price.i suspect your second comment is right. And I suspect more,which may emerge here,is that they don't want the word out on how many people get taken to court for one breach,and how much the fine might be


  • #25
    rugbyman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    patmahe wrote: »
    Funny enough, just found this article which may make you rethink your course of action.

    http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/motorists-accused-of-dodging-m50-tolls-handed-fines-totalling-%e2%82%ac100000/ar-BBVYMLU?ocid=ientp
    Pat, and Dakota, the people in court, or actually, not in court, in that article were prosecuted for five breaches but had in fact 150to 250each


  • #26
    antodeco
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    My mother in law ignored a fine and multiple letters. Woke up one morning with the door being banged down, as she watched her car get towed away. She had to pay 2.5k (was 2 trips), before her car was released.


  • #27
    rugbyman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    antodeco wrote: »
    My mother in law ignored a fine and multiple letters. Woke up one morning with the door being banged down, as she watched her car get towed away. She had to pay 2.5k (was 2 trips), before her car was released.

    Thank you anti, that's an actual case. Which is good for this discussion,, but among the letters she ignored was a summons to court, it's ignoring those which cause bother.as a matter of interest, do you know how many crossings she failed to pay?


  • #28
    rugbyman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    rugbyman wrote: »
    Thank you anti, that's an actual case. Which is good for this discussion,, but among the letters she ignored was a summons to court, it's ignoring those which cause bother.as a matter of interest, do you know how many crossings she failed to pay?

    Sorry, just remember read your posts, two trips,sorry


  • #29
    iamtony
    Registered Users Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭iamtony


    Op I've been down this road and because your a serial offender and they have given you leeway in the past it's unlikely they will do it for €50. Ring them with a more reasonable offer of about €3-500 and they should accept that if your being nice.
    You more than likely won't get a summons but you will get a notice of judgement from the court where they present the case to a judge and the judge gives an order. At that stage it will have cost them money and time and they will want more to settle. I settled a €3000 bill for €1000.
    It was all my own stupidity. Because they let me pay six euro per trip to clear my bill in the past I thought they would do it again so I let a few build up but they wouldn't play ball. Biggest waste of money even.
    P.s they are ****ers for sending the sheriff to repossess. It's the majority of the sheriffs work these days.
    Honestly give them a few hundred or offer a few quid a week till you can get a lump sum to settle.


  • #30
    iamtony
    Registered Users Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭iamtony


    rugbyman wrote: »
    Sorry, just remember read your posts, two trips,sorry

    2 trip would never climb to 2.5k on its own, at that stage you must be looking at a bill for legal costs and sheriffs money etc.


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  • #31
    upinsmoke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 201 ✭✭upinsmoke


    I made the mistake of not paying it before as was going on holidays, two weeks late and rang them and apologized and only had to pay the the toll. This was when the fines were more severe.

    You will want to offer at least 350 to settle the debt and for the love of God get a tag for your car.


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