Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

Professor Moriarty · 20-03-2019 03:16PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

There isn't going to be a General Election called before next Friday

I presume you mean Friday week? Probably not. The main options are: Pass the WA, promise a referendum, promise a GE, apply for a lengthy extension or crash out. My bet is that the WA might pass with a Kyle Wilson amendment. But a GE is certainly an option.

Duane Dibbley · 20-03-2019 03:17PM

robinph wrote: »

Not everyone in the UK by any stretch. 17 odd million of them have been buying the idea all along that the EU is being awkward and still are set in that mindset.

Its extremely rare that Ive seen Brexiteers point the finger at the EU. Nearly all feedback is pointed at TM and the whole Parliament.

Everyone in the UK knows they can just leave on the 29th of March.

Professor Moriarty · 20-03-2019 03:17PM

serfboard wrote: »

I don't know what's gone on in this normally spot-on thread.

Ye're all wrong. The EU will cave in at the last minute.:rolleyes:

Of course. Just needs Boris to nip over and tell the pesky bureaucrats what time it is.

Laois_Man · 20-03-2019 03:18PM

robinph wrote: »

Not everyone in the UK by any stretch. 17 odd million of them have been buying the idea all along that the EU is being awkward and still are set in that mindset.

Yanno, I have been following the Brexit thread on the nearest equivalent the UK has to Boards.ie for a few week now - not positing, just lurking, and you'd be surprised how similar the vast majority of posts are to what is posted on this thread.

So I wouldn't conflate the attitude of the UK media with that of the public. And I don't think the average caller into Nigel Farage's radio show on LBC is a good barometer either

jester77 · 20-03-2019 03:21PM

Reports that Macron won't approve it

https://www.lepoint.fr/politique/emmanuel-berretta/emmanuel-macron-refuse-de-reporter-la-date-du-brexit-20-03-2019-2302680_1897.php

quokula · 20-03-2019 03:23PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

Yanno, I have been following the Brexit thread on the nearest equivalent the UK has to Boards.ie for a few week now - not positing, just lurking, and you'd be surprised how similar the vast majority of posts are to what is posted on this thread.

So I wouldn't conflate the attitude of the UK media with that of the public. And I don't think the average caller into Nigel Farage's radio show on LBC is a good barometer either

I don't know what website you were on but sounds like it's likely to be a bit of an echo chamber. I was living in the UK at the time of the referendum, and judging by everyone I knew, everyone I interacted with, and every community I knew about, I'd have expected Remain to win by a total landslide. But the reality is that it didn't, and polling since then hasn't shown a very big swing towards remain either. Nigel Farage's LBC callers may be more representative than you'd think.

Shelga · 20-03-2019 03:24PM

jester77 wrote: »

Reports that Macron won't approve it

https://www.lepoint.fr/politique/emmanuel-berretta/emmanuel-macron-refuse-de-reporter-la-date-du-brexit-20-03-2019-2302680_1897.php

Because she's asking for an extension until June 30th, despite being told it couldn't be past May because of European elections?

Did she pluck June 30th out of nowhere?

Duane Dibbley · 20-03-2019 03:28PM

quokula wrote: »

I don't know what website you were on but sounds like it's likely to be a bit of an echo chamber. I was living in the UK at the time of the referendum, and judging by everyone I knew, everyone I interacted with, and every community I knew about, I'd have expected Remain to win by a total landslide. But the reality is that it didn't, and polling since then hasn't shown a very big swing towards remain either. Nigel Farage's LBC callers may be more representative than you'd think.

They not talking about Remain or Leave

They are talking about accountability for this fiasco which nearly everyone can see points to the UK Parliament and not the EU weather you voted to remain or leave.

Laois_Man · 20-03-2019 03:29PM

quokula wrote: »

I don't know what website you were on but sounds like it's likely to be a bit of an echo chamber. I was living in the UK at the time of the referendum, and judging by everyone I knew, everyone I interacted with, and every community I knew about, I'd have expected Remain to win by a total landslide. But the reality is that it didn't, and polling since then hasn't shown a very big swing towards remain either. Nigel Farage's LBC callers may be more representative than you'd think.

I wasn't commenting on whether people wanted to leave or remain - that is not the post I was responding to (although now that you mention it, the majority of people do realise the consequences of a no deal exit) - I was commenting on the attitudes to the performance of the British government over the last 2 years. The public by and large do not appear to me to be blaming the EU for it to the extent that the likes of BBC are trying to push. I speak in terms of friends I have in England also, not just the UK version of this forum.

LeinsterDub · 20-03-2019 03:42PM

Shelga wrote: »

Because she's asking for an extension until June 30th, despite being told it couldn't be past May because of European elections?

Did she pluck June 30th out of nowhere?

Well a round of negations was had, some wanted no extension , some wanted 9 months , other 21 months . After a lot of back and forward they all decided to compromise on 3 months .

The only issue is they are still negotiating with themselves

Shelga · 20-03-2019 03:44PM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Well a round of negations was had, some wanted no extension , some wanted 9 months , other 21 months . After a lot of back and forward they all decided to compromise on 3 months .

The only issue is they are still negotiating with themselves

And she is still only engaging with Tory cabinet members, rather than reaching out across Parliament, as she should have done 2 years ago.

Irishmale0399 · 20-03-2019 03:44PM

Has May actually stated what her road map is for the extension??? Wasnt that one of the conditions laid out by the EU to get it???

ArmaniJeanss · 20-03-2019 03:47PM

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Has May actually stated what her road map is for the extension??? Wasnt that one of the conditions laid out by the EU to get it???

Yes of course - she's not fick you know.

According to the letter the roadmap is to bring back the deal back to the HOC for a 3rd MV.

20-03-2019 03:47PM

From the Guardian live feed.

And this Le Point report has more on Emmanuel Macron’s stance on an article 50 extension.

This is how the article starts.

"Pour Macron, c’est décidé : il faut ... refuser aux Britanniques tout report du Brexit, prévu à la date du 29 mars. C’est en tout cas la position qu’il exprimera jeudi lors du Conseil européen."

And this is how that gets translated by DeepL, with some tidying up from me.

"For Macron, it is decided: we must ... refuse to allow the British to postpone the Brexit, scheduled for 29 March. In any case, this is the position he will express on Thursday at the European council."

ToBeFrank123 · 20-03-2019 03:57PM

Hopeless negotiators the lot. None of them seem to know how to get out of this hole they've dug for themselves.

Its pointless May negotiating anything with the EU without the leaders of the DUP and ERG sitting at the table beside her at UK-EU negotiations. The EU should also know this.

For the next round of negotiations the ERG and DUP should be out there so they can take some responsibility instead of sniping from the sidelines. Its been proved repeatedly May can't agree anything with EU unilaterally and she always has one armed tied behind her back.

What a complete mess.

Joe_ Public · 20-03-2019 04:00PM

Not sure whether May actually wants to be around as leader too much longer. As much as she has any strategy, I think it is just somehow to get her blasted deal through and get quickly out of dodge. So her legacy would be the PM who delivered brexit, fulfilled the will of the people, but avoid the sh!tstorm of consequences that follow that. She did her bit, others can then fail her afterwards.

Akrasia · 20-03-2019 04:04PM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Well a round of negations was had, some wanted no extension , some wanted 9 months , other 21 months . After a lot of back and forward they all decided to compromise on 3 months .

The only issue is they are still negotiating with themselves

June 30 is the day before the new session of the EU parliament is due to start. ie: it leaves absolutely no time for any measures to be brought in to extend A50 again or make accommodations for the UK MEPs before the parliament is due to sit.

She chose this date because it is the date that makes it most unlikely that A50 could be revoked or extended.

Seth Brundle · 20-03-2019 04:05PM

One piece of good news for the UK...
Toyota to produce new car model at UK plant

Toyota will begin producing a new model at its Burnaston plant in Derbyshire, in a rare piece of good news for the UK’s beleaguered car industry.

The Japanese carmaker will produce a brand-new car for Suzuki at the site, which will be based on the Toyota Corolla model currently built at the plant.

The vehicle will be a hybrid, using engines from Toyota’s Deeside facility in North Wales with electric components imported from Japan.

Although the production, due to begin late next year, will not lead to any more jobs or investments, it will increase the utilisation rate of the plant, helping to improve its chances of remaining open in the longer term.

prawnsambo · 20-03-2019 04:11PM

Akrasia wrote: »

June 30 is the day before the new session of the EU parliament is due to start. ie: it leaves absolutely no time for any measures to be brought in to extend A50 again or make accommodations for the UK MEPs before the parliament is due to sit.

She chose this date because it is the date that makes it most unlikely that A50 could be revoked or extended.

I'm pretty sure the new European Parliament sits at the beginning of June.

Enzokk · 20-03-2019 04:11PM

Let me do a Laura Kuenssberg and bring some "news" to the thread.

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1108383994238984193

So we may have a May resignation, or we won't. But we have this as well,

https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1108384999802355712

So the opposition leader will be meeting the PM later. Who knows where this is going as I am sick of predicting when and what May will do.

LeinsterDub · 20-03-2019 04:11PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

One piece of good news for the UK...
Toyota to produce new car model at UK plant

When "Factory doesn't shut down" is the good news you know the bad news is absolutely terrible

VinLieger · 20-03-2019 04:12PM

Bercow has allowed Starmers SO24 debate and it will happen today

Akrasia · 20-03-2019 04:15PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the new European Parliament sits at the beginning of June.

The old parliament officially ends on 1st of July and the new Parliament is inaugurated on 2nd of July.

During June, the new MEPs negotiate the formation of new political groups

Hurrache · 20-03-2019 04:16PM

And Tusk will give a statement at 4pm our time, it could be a go **** yourself and cop on, we already told you that we won't entertain a short extension beyond the EU elections, so go short before the elections, or go long.

Could also be designed as input into the SO24 which is scheduled to last 3 hours.

Akrasia · 20-03-2019 04:17PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Bercow has allowed Starmers SO24 debate and it will happen today

May is (allegedly) due to deliver an address from outside No. 10 later today.

There is speculation that she might announce a GE, but I've a feeling she'll just another groundhog day speech about 'the only way to ensure no deal is to vote for her deal'

Joe_ Public · 20-03-2019 04:21PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Bercow has allowed Starmers SO24 debate and it will happen today

Just started now.

Hurrache · 20-03-2019 04:21PM

Akrasia wrote: »

May is (allegedly) due to deliver an address from outside No. 10 later today.

There is speculation that she might announce a GE, but I've a feeling she'll just another groundhog day speech about 'the only way to ensure no deal is to vote for her deal'

"Let me be clear on this....."

At least she'll be dropping her "we'll be leaving on the 29th of March" mantra.

bob mcbob · 20-03-2019 04:31PM

latest poll shows clear majority to remain

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-second-referendum-deal-opinion-poll-theresa-may-a8831241.html

Infini · 20-03-2019 04:38PM

bob mcbob wrote: »

latest poll shows clear majority to remain

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-second-referendum-deal-opinion-poll-theresa-may-a8831241.html

This is why the Brexiteers have been so beligirent of course they know theyre gonna lose a 2nd vote and theyre hell bent on avoiding this. If parliment votes in the end to rescind A50 they lose too.

Joe_ Public · 20-03-2019 04:38PM

Not sure what this debate is supposed to achieve. The Tory benches are emptying by the minute.

Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

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