Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

Jump_In_Jack · 04-01-2019 07:26PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

I wouldn't put Nash and Oliver in the same category at all, they are young prospects and are under contract after the season. Oliver has gotten opportunities when fit, staying available had been his issue. Nash will be selected during the 6N and RWC.

Yeah, that’s what I meant, as you say they are two different categories,
But both sets of players not getting enough game time.
Oliver is 3rd choice 7, at the moment, neither player in front of him will be going to the World Cup, and O’Donoghue is due back soon and has played a lot at 7, so Oliver must be considering his options.
At wing Wootton and Sweetnam are unlikely to be going to the World Cup and Shane Daly can play there, and there are a few academy prospects at wing such as Coombes, so Nash may not get much game time even if both Conway and Earls go to the World Cup.
And that’s assuming that Ronan O’Mahony is being left go as well.

phog · 06-01-2019 08:09PM

The InterPro's were a massive result for Munster, two games away from home and our home game was against the best team in Europe, we were the only team from the four provinces to get at least a match point from all three games, like Leinster we got 10 from a possible 15 and with Glasgow imploding over the festive period it gave us the opportunity to go top of the conference table, thankfully, we took that opportunity and hopefully we can stay there.

The difference is we get a home S/F with the badly needed revenue and we avoid Leinster until at least a possible final.

Our focus changes to Europe next week and hopefully we have't picked up any fresh injuries, having Farrell back will be great and Goggin has looked good every time he gets to play for us so we have a few options at centre again.

The Lost Sheep · 06-01-2019 10:53PM

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phog wrote: »

The InterPro's were a massive result for Munster, two games away from home and our home game was against the best team in Europe, we were the only team from the four provinces to get at least a match point from all three games, like Leinster we got 10 from a possible 15 and with Glasgow imploding over the festive period it gave us the opportunity to go top of the conference table, thankfully, we took that opportunity and hopefully we can stay there.

The difference is we get a home S/F with the badly needed revenue and we avoid Leinster until at least a possible final.

Our focus changes to Europe next week and hopefully we have't picked up any fresh injuries, having Farrell back will be great and Goggin has looked good every time he gets to play for us so we have a few options at centre again.

Shame Munster seem very unlikely to get a european home quarter but Munster should stay top of conference as fixture list is very much in their favour with a lot of sides theyve left to play in bottom half of their conference/the league as a whole.

troyzer · 06-01-2019 11:02PM

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

phog wrote: »

The InterPro's were a massive result for Munster, two games away from home and our home game was against the best team in Europe, we were the only team from the four provinces to get at least a match point from all three games, like Leinster we got 10 from a possible 15 and with Glasgow imploding over the festive period it gave us the opportunity to go top of the conference table, thankfully, we took that opportunity and hopefully we can stay there.

The difference is we get a home S/F with the badly needed revenue and we avoid Leinster until at least a possible final.

Our focus changes to Europe next week and hopefully we have't picked up any fresh injuries, having Farrell back will be great and Goggin has looked good every time he gets to play for us so we have a few options at centre again.

Shame Munster seem very unlikely to get a european home quarter but Munster should stay top of conference as fixture list is very much in their favour with a lot of sides theyve left to play in bottom half of their conference/the league as a whole.

I think Munster may have already bottled Europe and it's too late to save.

They'll almost certainly have to go on the road for every single playoff game and they just haven't shown the ability to get the job done consistently away from home.

If I were a Munster fan, I'd hope for the best in Europe but know that the most realistic prize this year is a home semi final in the Pro14 and then anything can happen in a neutral venue against almost certainly Leinster.

budhabob · 07-01-2019 08:22AM

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Read somewhere online that Leicester Tigers are in talks with Taute. As mentioned above, it makes sense for him to move on given the number of Irish centres currently available and playing well for Munster.

razorblunt · 07-01-2019 09:39AM

Leicester Tigers seem to be in talks with every center going. Taute, Huw Jones, Noel Reid.

razorblunt · 07-01-2019 09:42AM

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Taute moving on would make sense.
12. Scannell/Goggin and 13. Farrell/Arnold probably the current form centre rotations,
and Shane Daly coming through now with a few more centers in the academy.
If Taute could pick up a loan to another club now and transfer at the end of the season would be a decent plan, as he’s wasted otherwise.

Similar stories for Sherry, Keatley and Hart, and Oliver and Nash must be looking at their options now too.

Munster started to fall apart in the centers due to injuries round about this time last season.
There's absolutely no way they would or should let Taute go. What happens post season is a different matter entirely of course.

The last thing you want is Farrell to go out again, one of the others to ship an injury and its a case of Keatley of JJ having to fill in.

Boscoirl · 07-01-2019 09:47AM

Hope its not true, but heard one of our Centres picked up another injury on Sat, could be out 6-8 weeks

aloooof · 07-01-2019 09:51AM

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razorblunt wrote: »

Munster started to fall apart in the centers due to injuries round about this time last season.
There's absolutely no way they would or should let Taute go. What happens post season is a different matter entirely of course.

The last thing you want is Farrell to go out again, one of the others to ship an injury and its a case of Keatley of JJ having to fill in.

Goggin is playing a level above where he was last season tho, so if Farrell +1 other ship an injury, I still think 2 out of Goggin, Scannell and Arnold is fine.

That would happen before Keatley or JJ would have to fill in. Also suspect Bleyendaal would be picked ahead of them, he's started some games at 12 this season already.

phog · 07-01-2019 10:15AM

Boscoirl wrote: »

Hope its not true, but heard one of our Centres picked up another injury on Sat, could be out 6-8 weeks

According to The 42 nearly everyone picked up a knock of some sort in Galway

MUNSTER HEAD COACH Johann van Graan could only laugh as he added PS after PS to what initially seemed like it would be a short injury update.

“It’s only really Mur and Alby that didn’t (pick up a knock),” said the South African with a chuckle. Good news for scrum-halves came thanks to a solid night’s work from the men servicing the rucks and set-piece.

Among the bodies in need of assessment will be Chris Farrell (who ended the game with a heavy limp), Dan Goggin and the entire back three of Alex Wootton, Keith Earls and Andrew Conway. ‘Knocks’ for all.

In the pack, John Ryan stayed off after his HIA and Peter O’Mahony winced as he was treated on the sideline. The captain is unlikely to be kept out of Friday’s Heineken Champions Cup trip to Gloucester.

Homesick Alien · 07-01-2019 10:36AM

aloooof wrote: »

Goggin is playing a level above where he was last season tho, so if Farrell +1 other ship an injury, I still think 2 out of Goggin, Scannell and Arnold is fine.

That would happen before Keatley or JJ would have to fill in. Also suspect Bleyendaal would be picked ahead of them, he's started some games at 12 this season already.

TB was shocking when he came on at the weekend. Needed a steady hand to see out the game and he is not that. I would not be put out to see him leave at the end of the season. It's been a long time since he had a good game.

Tomtom364 · 07-01-2019 10:53AM

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Homesick Alien wrote: »

TB was shocking when he came on at the weekend. Needed a steady hand to see out the game and he is not that. I would not be put out to see him leave at the end of the season. It's been a long time since he had a good game.

I think shocking is an overly harsh description.
Kick out on the full was awful. But the second kick didn't have any real options available. He was isolated and would have probly got turned over if he took contact and only had one man outside where the same outcome would be likely. The ball should never have come back to that side I think Murray took the wrong option giving it to earls.

TB and Carbery dovetailed fantastically with ball in hand, got the BP try and then kept Connacht pinned back for the remainder of the game.

I wouldn't be surprised to see TB viewed as second choice 12 if scannell was to miss a big game.

Being on the bench for Leinster and Connacht certainly seems to indicate he is second 10 ahead of JJ

aloooof · 07-01-2019 10:57AM

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Tomtom364 wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised to see TB viewed as second choice 12 if scannell was to miss a big game.

Our 12 selection is becoming an interesting one. I'd expect Goggin and Arnold would be ahead of him, but it may be a horses for courses selection.

Goggin himself might be in with a shout of getting selected ahead of Scannell on Friday, he's been playing some great stuff this season.

Tomtom364 · 07-01-2019 11:05AM

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aloooof wrote: »

Our 12 selection is becoming an interesting one. I'd expect Goggin and Arnold would be ahead of him, but it may be a horses for courses selection.

Goggin himself might be in with a shout of getting selected ahead of Scannell on Friday, he's been playing some great stuff this season.

I think we need a second play maker and at least one brute carrier in the centre to make the most of Carbery (which Munsters attacking patterns seem to be developed to do which makes sense)

With Farrell at 13 you have the carry threat (who also has a great passing range) So 12 needs to have the playmaker ability.
Scannell provides that while also being a good carry threat himself. For me that gets him ahead of a goggin/Farrell or Arnold/Farrell pairing every time.

If no scannell available then I think you have to go with TB to have the playmaker.

Unfortunately zebo would have been able to fill this role but with Haley and Conway both seeming more as hard running options I don't think either has the ammount of playmaker ability potential

c.p.w.g.w · 07-01-2019 11:05AM

Going to say something controversial...Is goggin a more dynamic option at 12 that scannell? Is the scannell being limited by the game plan?

Scannell is being used as a battering ramp or a dummy runner. He doesn't seem to pass a huge amount. I will admit i don't have the best understanding of back play, being a former hooker & no.6(the Serge betson style, sent more time in the bin than the pitch)

Tomtom364 · 07-01-2019 11:16AM

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c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Going to say something controversial...Is goggin a more dynamic option at 12 that scannell? Is the scannell being limited by the game plan?

Scannell is being used as a battering ramp or a dummy runner. He doesn't seem to pass a huge amount. I will admit i don't have the best understanding of back play, being a former hooker & no.6(the Serge betson style, sent more time in the bin than the pitch)

We haven't yet seen

10. Carbery
12. Scannell
13. Farrell

Cookiemunster · 07-01-2019 12:19PM

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It sounds like Farrell wont make Friday. John Ryan is OK to train and Cloete is back in training.

https://munsterrugby.ie/2019/01/07/squad-update-pre-gloucester-2/

The Munster squad returned to training at the High Performance Centre in Limerick today ahead of Friday’s Champions Cup clash against Gloucester at Kingsholm (7.45pm).

The Munster Rugby Medical Department have issued the below update following Saturday’s win over Connacht at the Sportsground.

John Ryan was removed as a precaution for a head injury assessment in the first half of Saturday night’s game. He has completed the HIA process and has been cleared to train.

Chris Farrell suffered a right knee injury and will be assessed by the medical department today.

Chris Cloete (neck) will be reintegrated into team training this week.

JJ Hanrahan is currently being assessed by the medical department for a left hip injury.

The following are progressing with rehabilitation: Brian Scott (foot), James Cronin (leg) Jack O’Donoghue (knee), Dave O’Callaghan (foot).

thomond2006 · 07-01-2019 12:24PM

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Farrell is luckless.

The Lost Sheep · 07-01-2019 12:25PM

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c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Going to say something controversial...Is goggin a more dynamic option at 12 that scannell? Is the scannell being limited by the game plan?

Scannell is being used as a battering ramp or a dummy runner. He doesn't seem to pass a huge amount. I will admit i don't have the best understanding of back play, being a former hooker & no.6(the Serge betson style, sent more time in the bin than the pitch)

I dont think Goggin is more dynamic than Scannell at all. Possibly Scannell is being limited by the game plan.
Scannell has experience of playing 10 albeit at underage quite a while ago so can pass/run backline ok. He isnt a battering ram option so shouldnt be used to do that.

Eod100 · 07-01-2019 12:29PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Farrell is luckless.

Really unlucky. And start of 6N quickly approaching. Maybe a slightly better sign that he doesn't need to see a specialist?

Sirius Boner · 07-01-2019 12:32PM

Any time a player is out for an extended spell with an injury, the chances of them picking up constant niggles and knocks on their return is almost guaranteed ..just needs to get the body completely right and he'll be back for our last pool game

phog · 07-01-2019 12:56PM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

It sounds like Farrell wont make Friday. John Ryan is OK to train and Cloete is back in training.

https://munsterrugby.ie/2019/01/07/squad-update-pre-gloucester-2/

The Munster squad returned to training at the High Performance Centre in Limerick today ahead of Friday’s Champions Cup clash against Gloucester at Kingsholm (7.45pm).

The Munster Rugby Medical Department have issued the below update following Saturday’s win over Connacht at the Sportsground.

John Ryan was removed as a precaution for a head injury assessment in the first half of Saturday night’s game. He has completed the HIA process and has been cleared to train.

Chris Farrell suffered a right knee injury and will be assessed by the medical department today.

Chris Cloete (neck) will be reintegrated into team training this week.

JJ Hanrahan is currently being assessed by the medical department for a left hip injury.

The following are progressing with rehabilitation: Brian Scott (foot), James Cronin (leg) Jack O’Donoghue (knee), Dave O’Callaghan (foot).

Other than Farrell's injury that's not a bad squad update to get

thomond2006 · 07-01-2019 01:02PM

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Worst case scenario:

Kilcoyne, Scannell, Ryan, Kleyn, Beirne, POM, TOD, Stander;
Murray, Carbery, Earls, Goggin, Arnold, Conway, Haley

Marshall, Loughman, Archer, Wycherley, Botha, Mathewson, Bleyendaal, Sweetnam

Injured: Scott, Cronin, JOD, Cloete (tbc), DOC, JJH (tbc), Farrell (tbc)

*Reintegrated into team training this week sounds like Cloete won't make it for Friday.

slingerz · 07-01-2019 01:20PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Worst case scenario:

Kilcoyne, Scannell, Ryan, Kleyn, Beirne, POM, TOD, Stander;
Murray, Carbery, Earls, Goggin, Arnold, Conway, Haley

Marshall, Loughman, Archer, Wycherley, Botha, Mathewson, Bleyendaal, Sweetnam

Injured: Scott, Cronin, JOD, Cloete (tbc), DOC, JJH (tbc), Farrell (tbc)

*Reintegrated into team training this week sounds like Cloete won't make it for Friday.

Rory Scannell is definitely going to be one of the centres. I would have it as a toss up between Goggin/Arnold but i'd probably go for Arnold at this point. I would have O'Byrne as reserve hooker as well over Marshall

Henry Ford III · 07-01-2019 01:25PM

No such thing as definite as regards likely selections.

Kenny B · 07-01-2019 01:50PM

Arnold is a headless chicken, he makes the odd good line break and kills the good work with his follow up decision, Scannell has lost some of his attack this year but his defense will see him start, Goggin is an athlete and looks like he will improve with games but not yet unless Farrell is out,

We need the likes of Marshall back as his eye for a gap late games will put us on the front foot, he has a nice aggressive edge about him also, is Archer injured?, surely he's the bench man (or more).

Been a bit disappointed with Botha recently, he started like a train but for a big lad is turned over a bit easy, might go with Billy and Wych on the bench.

The Connacht game looked like the backs had an idea what to do every now and again, so it looks like there might be some plays about to come alive to show the coaches deserve there pay, it's been absolutely clueless and uninspiring for far too long so lets see some invention,

Conway did well at FB but if Haley can used more when arriving between the centers in attack, he has a lovely eye for a pass but his timing is a little off, he looks better each game, the drop to Sweetnam or Wooton at wing is too great to change Conway to FB.

Gloucester were poor against Leicester, completely dominated, Leicester played with speed and were very direct,

Straight & hard with fast ball will win next Friday.

aloooof · 07-01-2019 01:52PM

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slingerz wrote: »

Rory Scannell is definitely going to be one of the centres. I would have it as a toss up between Goggin/Arnold but i'd probably go for Arnold at this point. I would have O'Byrne as reserve hooker as well over Marshall

Ya, I'd expect it to be Scannell and Goggin tbh (assuming Farrell is out) based on form and recent appearances. Imo, Goggin has been our most improved player this season.

Dubinusa · 07-01-2019 01:57PM

I think Gloucester have a load of injuries! Munster should win.

aloooof · 07-01-2019 02:01PM

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Word today is that Cipriani may be back in time for it.

Buer · 07-01-2019 02:11PM

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Eod100 wrote: »

Really unlucky. And start of 6N quickly approaching. Maybe a slightly better sign that he doesn't need to see a specialist?

Reported in the Independent that he went for a scan on the knee so I would be surprised if he's available for either of the next 2 games.

Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

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