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Mayo Peace Park observations

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  • 21-11-2018 11:47am
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    6541
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    Hi - I am writing this here as Castlebar.ie is no more.

    I went to the peace park yesterday and straight up I will lay my cards on the table.

    I don't agree with it politics. Within living memory the British army have committed unforgivable atrocities in Ireland.

    However - I congratulate the people who brought the whole project about, it is a credit and humbling.

    In the spirit of a modern progressive inclusive Ireland why is there no plaque to commemorate the the Republican's IRB, OIRA, PIRA, RIRA etc.

    I note the lines of who is commemorated is blurred, there is plaques to commemorate, Order of Malta, An Garda Siochana and many more not involved in World Wars.


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    irishgeo
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    6541 wrote: »
    Hi - I am writing this here as Castlebar.ie is no more.

    I went to the peace park yesterday and straight up I will lay my cards on the table.

    I don't agree with it politics. Within living memory the British army have committed unforgivable atrocities in Ireland.

    However - I congratulate the people who brought the whole project about, it is a credit and humbling.

    In the spirit of a modern progressive inclusive Ireland why is there no plaque to commemorate the the Republican's IRB, OIRA, PIRA, RIRA etc.

    I note the lines of who is commemorated is blurred, there is plaques to commemorate, Order of Malta, An Garda Siochana and many more not involved in World Wars.

    the ira arent innocent either.


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    6541
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    Agreed but the freedom we enjoy is because of IRA.


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    yop
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    [Mod Note] MOVING: Looks like more a political discussion than Mayo specific. And might get more responses in the Politics thread.


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    blanch152
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    6541 wrote: »
    Hi - I am writing this here as Castlebar.ie is no more.

    I went to the peace park yesterday and straight up I will lay my cards on the table.

    I don't agree with it politics. Within living memory the British army have committed unforgivable atrocities in Ireland.

    However - I congratulate the people who brought the whole project about, it is a credit and humbling.

    In the spirit of a modern progressive inclusive Ireland why is there no plaque to commemorate the the Republican's IRB, OIRA, PIRA, RIRA etc.

    I note the lines of who is commemorated is blurred, there is plaques to commemorate, Order of Malta, An Garda Siochana and many more not involved in World Wars.


    http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/en/towns-villages/castlebar/visitors-guide/mayo-peace-park.html

    I don't understand your problem with it.


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    Edgware
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    6541 wrote: »
    Hi - I am writing this here as Castlebar.ie is no more.

    I went to the peace park yesterday and straight up I will lay my cards on the table.

    I don't agree with it politics. Within living memory the British army have committed unforgivable atrocities in Ireland.

    However - I congratulate the people who brought the whole project about, it is a credit and humbling.

    In the spirit of a modern progressive inclusive Ireland why is there no plaque to commemorate the the Republican's IRB, OIRA, PIRA, RIRA etc.

    I note the lines of who is commemorated is blurred, there is plaques to commemorate, Order of Malta, An Garda Siochana and many more not involved in World Wars.
    Maybe because we would rather not commemorate organisations that planted bombs in civilian facilities such as the pubs in Birmingham, murdered unarmed Gardai (some Mayo born) and generally cost the country millions in security costs, loss of tourism and most importantly loss of life


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    6541
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/en/towns-villages/castlebar/visitors-guide/mayo-peace-park.html

    I don't understand your problem with it.

    I am saying that if it is a peace park it should include IRA Vol's.


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    6541
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    Edgware wrote: »
    Maybe because we would rather not commemorate organisations that planted bombs in civilian facilities such as the pubs in Birmingham, murdered unarmed Gardai (some Mayo born) and generally cost the country millions in security costs, loss of tourism and most importantly loss of life

    Maybe we shouldn't commemorate people that killed innocent people in the Dublin / Monaghan Bombings, Bloody Sunday, Ballymurphy massacre.

    The IRA created this state. All I ask for is equality, it is a peace park, include the Irish Vol's.


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    James Brown
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    Came up on another thread. We should remember the British soldiers who fell. Let bygones be bygones and look forward despite any atrocities, collusion with terrorists, internment. But not the IRA, because...something. We'd a state funeral for DeValera and Haughey, so it can't be an issue of ethics.


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    blanch152
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    6541 wrote: »
    I am saying that if it is a peace park it should include IRA Vol's.


    From the article I posted:

    "There is also a special memorial dedicated in memory of all those who died for Irish Freedom in the park."

    That would include those old IRA volunteers.

    Yes, the Provos would be excluded, but they were neither fighting a war nor dying for Irish freedom.


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    6541
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    From the article I posted:

    "There is also a special memorial dedicated in memory of all those who died for Irish Freedom in the park."

    That would include those old IRA volunteers.

    Yes, the Provos would be excluded, but they were neither fighting a war nor dying for Irish freedom.

    That is your opinion which you are entitled to. My opinion is the Provo's helped create the peace and freedom that we enjoy on this island today and should be commemorated in the park.

    The British army is commemorated in the park, they bombed Dublin and Monaghan killed loads in Derry and Ballymurphy.

    All I ask for is equality and not a hierarchy.


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    blanch152
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    6541 wrote: »
    That is your opinion which you are entitled to. My opinion is the Provo's helped create the peace and freedom that we enjoy on this island today and should be commemorated in the park.

    The British army is commemorated in the park, they bombed Dublin and Monaghan killed loads in Derry and Ballymurphy.

    All I ask for is equality and not a hierarchy.

    The British Army is not commemorated in the park. Local people who died while fighting for the British Army are commemorated. There is a clear distinction.


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    6541
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    Would it be easier for you if we just put a plaque for Frank Stagg, Sean McNeela and Michael Gaughan as opposed to all the Provisional's ?


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    James Brown
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    We celebrated Redmond and he was encouraging people sign up for the war to end all wars, never again and so on.
    Basically, if people are genuine about moving forward and all that it has to be all inclusive otherwise it's a sham.


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    Harry Palmr
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    Peace parks etc are a political correct bull**** charade to make people feel pious about something they chances arebnever directly effected them either way.


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