Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

10-10-2018 12:19PM

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stephen_n wrote: »

What’s the Australian equivalent of a Ligind?

troyzer · 10-10-2018 12:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Having lived there for a while, I can confirm that everything is indeed upside down.

Eod100 · 10-10-2018 01:06PM

budhabob wrote: »

Based on thomonds summary above, there's a fair bit of business yet to be done this year, with some key members out of contract in the summer

Looks like a huge number of players out of contract then alright!

thomond2006 · 10-10-2018 01:13PM

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Eod100 wrote: »

Looks like a huge number of players out of contract then alright!

As budhabob says, it's nothing new at this stage of the season. A number of those won't be offered renewals.

Earls and Scannell x2 will be key to lock down next. Rhys Marshall is an interesting case as well, he's an excellent player and will become IE in 2019 but he isn't a guaranteed starter. Niall Scannell is a likely Irish starter post RWC with Rory Best retired and Sean Cronin no longer a long term option. Halfback is a lottery. There will be plenty space for an NIE signing with Taute and Botha presumably leaving (though perhaps Botha could remain for another season due to the RWC) and Marshall and Kleyn becoming IE.

Mookie Blaylock · 10-10-2018 01:18PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

As budhabob says, it's nothing new at this stage of the season. A number of those won't be offered renewals.

Earls and Scannell x2 will be key to lock down next. Rhys Marshall is an interesting case as well, he's an excellent player and will become IQ in 2019 but will be happy in a backup role? Niall Scannell is a likely Irish starter post RWC with Rory Best retired and Sean Cronin no longer a long term option.

I think Marshall is ahead of Scannell in the Munster setup, just an all around better player at the moment....but what a brilliant position for us to be in

budhabob · 10-10-2018 01:28PM

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Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

I think Marshall is ahead of Scannell in the Munster setup, just an all around better player at the moment....but what a brilliant position for us to be in

Not a hope. Scannell is the leading hooker, Marshall is the more subtle player, but scannell is our best hooker hands down - scrummaging, line out, dirty work. Delighted to have both though!

Cookiemunster · 10-10-2018 01:30PM

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thomond2006 wrote: »

As budhabob says, it's nothing new at this stage of the season. A number of those won't be offered renewals.

Earls and Scannell x2 will be key to lock down next. Rhys Marshall is an interesting case as well, he's an excellent player and will become IE in 2019 but he isn't a guaranteed starter. Niall Scannell is a likely Irish starter post RWC with Rory Best retired and Sean Cronin no longer a long term option. Halfback is a lottery. There will be plenty space for an NIE signing with Taute and Botha presumably leaving (though perhaps Botha could remain for another season due to the RWC) and Marshall and Kleyn becoming IE.

Leinster have all of Irelands first and second choice TH and LH props for ages. Why can't Munster have both hookers?

troyzer · 10-10-2018 01:31PM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Leinster have all of Irelands first and second choice TH and LH props for ages. Why can't Munster have both hookers?

Didn't realise it was a case of sharing the caps.

You pick the best, end of story. Even if it's an all Leinster side.

Eod100 · 10-10-2018 01:31PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

As budhabob says, it's nothing new at this stage of the season. A number of those won't be offered renewals.

Earls and Scannell x2 will be key to lock down next. Rhys Marshall is an interesting case as well, he's an excellent player and will become IE in 2019 but he isn't a guaranteed starter. Niall Scannell is a likely Irish starter post RWC with Rory Best retired and Sean Cronin no longer a long term option. Halfback is a lottery. There will be plenty space for an NIE signing with Taute and Botha presumably leaving (though perhaps Botha could remain for another season due to the RWC) and Marshall and Kleyn becoming IE.

Ah I wouldn't be worried about players not signing again, just that it numbers seem big when it's spelled out in black and white!

Sabre0001 · 10-10-2018 01:34PM

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Eod100 wrote: »

Ah I wouldn't be worried about players not signing again, just that it numbers seem big when it's spelled out in black and white!

I have that mild panic every time. It looks pretty intimidating, but for the most part the deals get signed.

Cookiemunster · 10-10-2018 01:35PM

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troyzer wrote: »

Didn't realise it was a case of sharing the caps.

You pick the best, end of story. Even if it's an all Leinster side.

What are you on about? Thomond said that Marshall might leave because Scannell could be first choice for Ireland. If Leinster can have both Healey and McGrath at loose head then there's no reason Munster couldn't have both Scannel and Marshall at hooker. You need to get over your paranoia of Munster fans when reading posts.

yerrahbah · 10-10-2018 01:43PM

Great news about Murray.
Seems strange that they waited a month to announce it, but anyway good times:)

thomond2006 · 10-10-2018 01:47PM

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Cookiemunster wrote: »

Leinster have all of Irelands first and second choice TH and LH props for ages. Why can't Munster have both hookers?

They can, I probably should have mentioned this!

thomond2006 · 10-10-2018 01:50PM

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On the back three, I imagine Shane Daly is promoted from the academy with ROM making way.

Mookie Blaylock · 10-10-2018 01:54PM

budhabob wrote: »

Not a hope. Scannell is the leading hooker, Marshall is the more subtle player, but scannell is our best hooker hands down - scrummaging, line out, dirty work. Delighted to have both though!

I think Marshalls darts are better and he's rock solid in the scrum....plus he's better going forward ball in hand, but again...it's just my opinion and right enough, the best 2 hookers coming thru at this time

Mr Tickle · 10-10-2018 02:10PM

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thomond2006 wrote: »

On the back three, I imagine Shane Daly is promoted from the academy with ROM making way.

ROM is on a long term injury right?
if so it seems harsh to let him go. There was a while where he was trading places with Sweetnam.
Am i wrong in thinking he only really dropped out of teams because of the injury?

aloooof · 10-10-2018 02:16PM

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Mr Tickle wrote: »

ROM is on a long term injury right?
if so it seems harsh to let him go. There was a while where he was trading places with Sweetnam.
Am i wrong in thinking he only really dropped out of teams because of the injury?

He had a really good spell, but even then I think our starting back 3 in big games would have been Earls, Conway and Zebo.

Since then, Sweetnam and Wootton are ahead of him in the pecking order, and I'd like to see Calvin Nash getting some more game time as well. It definitely does feel a bit harsh tho.

Cookiemunster · 10-10-2018 02:20PM

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Mr Tickle wrote: »

ROM is on a long term injury right?
if so it seems harsh to let him go. There was a while where he was trading places with Sweetnam.
Am i wrong in thinking he only really dropped out of teams because of the injury?

He was on fire until he broke his leg in April 2017, but he's only played 1 game since then and got injured again. He'll also be 30 before the end of the season. Unfortunately for him others have overtaken him and I'd expect him to be released at the end of the season.

thomond2006 · 10-10-2018 02:23PM

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Mr Tickle wrote: »

ROM is on a long term injury right?
if so it seems harsh to let him go. There was a while where he was trading places with Sweetnam.
Am i wrong in thinking he only really dropped out of teams because of the injury?

ROM was a dirtracker player. Since he was awarded his last contract we have seen Wootton and Nash break through so unfortunately ROM isn't really needed.

Mr Tickle · 10-10-2018 02:42PM

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Cookiemunster wrote: »

He was on fire until he broke his leg in April 2017, but he's only played 1 game since then and got injured again. He'll also be 30 before the end of the season. Unfortunately for him others have overtaken him and I'd expect him to be released at the end of the season.

I didn't realise he was that old. Had him around 25. Makes sense so.

leakyboots · 10-10-2018 02:57PM

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He was top scorer a few seasons ago. That being said, he's never nailed down a starting place in all his years with us.

Jump_In_Jack · 10-10-2018 04:47PM

What will the contract be for Earls I wonder?
He just turned 31 this month, contract up at end of this season.
I'd hope they could secure him for 2 more years, but he would be completely justified in looking for a big contract in France or England after the world Cup to see out his final few years, assuming Munster and the IRFU couldn't compete with that.

Jump_In_Jack · 10-10-2018 04:55PM

Harsh but could see the following let go:
Mike Sherry - O'Byrne looks better and Academy players coming through
Cronan Gleeson, - Loughman has looked good and possibly would be retained over Gleeson
Fineen Wycherley - at 6'4" perhaps isn't tall enough?
Arno Botha - O'Donoghue will be back
Alby Mathewson - Murray will be back
James Hart - Cronin looks better and would also keep Williams another year, and academy prospects coming through
Ian Keatley - would rather keep JJ and Beleyendaal another year
Jaco Taute - Dan Goggin and Shane Daly coming through and Farrell will be back.
Ronan O'Mahony - Nash, Wootton and Sweetnam all coming through

Jump_In_Jack · 10-10-2018 05:01PM

Will be a lot of negotiating going on up to Christmas I'd imagine, with the following:
Marshall, N Scannell, J Cronin, J Ryan, O'Callaghan, O'Donnell, O'Donoghue, R Scannell, Farrell, Earls, Sweetnam to name the most important talent we need to retain.
And a good few more that should be given at least a 1 year extension.

aloooof · 10-10-2018 05:02PM

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Fineen Wycherley is the one from your list that jumps out to me there, don't see us leaving him go, especially with Billy Holland getting on a bit (even if locks do seem to be able to play that bit longer). Wycherley's only 20 and has loads of potential.

Jump_In_Jack · 10-10-2018 05:10PM

aloooof wrote: »

Fineen Wycherley is the one from your list that jumps out to me there, don't see us leaving him go, especially with Billy Holland getting on a bit (even if locks do seem to be able to play that bit longer). Wycherley's only 20 and has loads of potential.

He’s young but is he tall enough, or will he grow a bit more?
Could he switch to back-row?

Caranica · 10-10-2018 05:15PM

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

would also keep Williams another year

You ARE joking right???

Anatidaephobia · 10-10-2018 05:15PM

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Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

I think Marshalls darts are better and he's rock solid in the scrum....plus he's better going forward ball in hand, but again...it's just my opinion and right enough, the best 2 hookers coming thru at this time

Completely disagree with you there. Scannells darts have always been really good and I'd consider it Marshall's weakest area. I personally know nothing about what makes a good scrummaging hooker but I've seen Scannell highly praised on this from people who do know what they're talking about. And I've seen multiple occasions over the years where just Scannell being subbed has resulted in our scrum going from winning penalties to conceding penalties, or vice versa.

thomond2006 · 10-10-2018 05:24PM

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Wycherley will be retained, if for no other reason because Munster will be down numerous back five forwards during the RWC.

Jump_In_Jack · 10-10-2018 05:27PM

Caranica wrote: »

You ARE joking right???

No, he’s a steady player as a backup, he’s better than Hart, and I’d keep him involved while the academy players come through another year or so.

Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

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