Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

phog · 03-10-2018 09:43AM

Ben Whitehouse down to ref the match on Saturday

Mc Love · 03-10-2018 10:06AM

Carbery "has already played over double the amount of minutes at out-half than he managed in the whole of last season with Leinster."

Little tidbit from @CianTracey1 this morning.

Clegg · 03-10-2018 10:17AM

To be fair, Carbery broke his wrist playing for Ireland and missed 7 weeks of games for Leinster. Came back in January but only for a few weeks before missing another two months with Leinster due to the Six Nations.

iminterestd0 · 03-10-2018 10:19AM

Clegg wrote: »

To be fair, Carbery broke his wrist playing for Ireland and missed 7 weeks of games for Leinster. Came back in January but only for a few weeks before missing another two months with Leinster due to the Six Nations.

of course he was going to get more game time at Munster, why else would have have moved?

As he said himself:

Clegg · 03-10-2018 10:59AM

iminterestd0 wrote: »

of course he was going to get more game time at Munster, why else would have have moved?

I'm not saying he didn't move due to lack of time at 10. Just that the above stat is skewed a bit due to his injury problems last season.

iminterestd0 · 03-10-2018 11:00AM

Clegg wrote: »

I'm not saying he didn't move due to lack of time at 10. Just that the above stat is skewed a bit due to his injury problems last season.

true, Lancaster addressed that recently in a press conference.

Shefwedfan · 03-10-2018 11:11AM

Mc Love wrote: »

Carbery "has already played over double the amount of minutes at out-half than he managed in the whole of last season with Leinster."

Little tidbit from @CianTracey1 this morning.

Which is great and why he moved to Munster. Carberry had to move too get more time at 10, simple as that. Also Leinster seen him as a 15 and not a 10. Great news for Ireland and for Joey himself

My point is he should not have been allowed to move to Munster till they cleaned up their own house.

When was the last time Munster gave a young 10 a chance? JJ was coming through and he moved to get gametime.

Every other province has brought a 10 via the System. Ulster had Jackson and they had to bring in a player but they have a young player coming up.....Connacht have Carty, Leinster have Sexton and Byrne and Reid etc

How is Bill Johnston supposed to develop when he will never get a Pro14 match because they have a back log of 10's.

aloooof · 03-10-2018 11:24AM

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Which is great and why he moved to Munster. Carberry had to move too get more time at 10, simple as that. Also Leinster seen him as a 15 and not a 10. Great news for Ireland and for Joey himself

My point is he should not have been allowed to move to Munster till they cleaned up their own house.

When was the last time Munster gave a young 10 a chance? JJ was coming through and he moved to get gametime.

Every other province has brought a 10 via the System. Ulster had Jackson and they had to bring in a player but they have a young player coming up.....Connacht have Carty, Leinster have Sexton and Byrne and Reid etc

How is Bill Johnston supposed to develop when he will never get a Pro14 match because they have a back log of 10's.

Johnny Holland is the answer to this. He started the Munster Leinster fixture in the Aviva a couple of seasons ago from what I remember. It's unfortunate he had to retire from injury so young.

People often seem to forget about him when discussing the 10 situation at Munster. The likelihood is if he had kept progressing and didn't have to retire, Carberry wouldn't have moved to Munster.

Sabre0001 · 03-10-2018 11:29AM

Guess Who's Back, Back Again? JJ's Back, Tell a Friend

JJ is a conundrum in that he seemed to have good appearances and won the 2013-14 Golden Boot award, but couldn't make the jersey his own for whatever reason. 64 appearances between 2012 and 2015, according to Wikipedia, and another 23 since his return. Has definitely struggled to hit the heights he was at before he left.

Jonathan Holland looked like a promising player. Made first start in 2014, only 11 appearances, but looked very comfortable in the Leinster game in 2016. And then forced into retirement through injury.

Hoping to see more of Johnston this season.

Former Former · 03-10-2018 12:08PM

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Sabre0001 wrote: »

JJ is a conundrum in that he seemed to have good appearances and won the 2013-14 Golden Boot award, but couldn't make the jersey his own for whatever reason. 64 appearances between 2012 and 2015, according to Wikipedia, and another 23 since his return. Has definitely struggled to hit the heights he was at before he left.

Jonathan Holland looked like a promising player. Made first start in 2014, only 11 appearances, but looked very comfortable in the Leinster game in 2016. And then forced into retirement through injury.

Hoping to see more of Johnston this season.

TBH, I think JJ Hanrahan has hit exactly the heights he was at before he left.

He played a good number of games in his last season, but he never came close to displacing Keatley as first-choice and (correct me if I'm wrong) was playing mostly at centre and full-back by the time he left. His goal-kicking was excellent and that put a bit of a sheen on it.

Obviously at that time he was still very young but he never looked like being a top-class 10.

If Bleyendaal recovers and Carbery works out, JJ would be well advised to ask JVG to consider him purely as a 12 or 15.

iminterestd0 · 03-10-2018 12:13PM

aloooof wrote: »

Johnny Holland is the answer to this. He started the Munster Leinster fixture in the Aviva a couple of seasons ago from what I remember. It's unfortunate he had to retire from injury so young.

People often seem to forget about him when discussing the 10 situation at Munster. The likelihood is if he had kept progressing and didn't have to retire, Carberry wouldn't have moved to Munster.

Holland only got a reach chance at the Munster 10 when he was 24.

Munster do a poor job at developing homegrown talent, especially at 10.

thomond2006 · 03-10-2018 12:19PM

A new born king to see POM POM POM POM POM

iminterestd0 wrote: »

Holland only got a reach chance at the Munster 10 when he was 24.

Munster do a poor job at developing homegrown talent, especially at 10.

Holland was injured for a year and a half prior to getting his shot, the same injury that forced him to retire, so using him as an example of poor development is nonsense tbh.

Munster have been very unlucky. Had things worked out better we could have Holland and Bleyendaal competing for the starting job with Bill Johnston developing behind them. It's worth mentioning that Johnston has also suffered serious injuries.

thomond2006 · 03-10-2018 12:23PM

A new born king to see POM POM POM POM POM

iminterestd0 wrote: »

what internationals have munster developed in the past 2-3 seasons?

ehh....

Jack O'Donoghue, who got 1 cap?

Let's not move the goalposts now.

Cookiemunster · 03-10-2018 12:27PM

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iminterestd0 wrote: »

Holland only got a reach chance at the Munster 10 when he was 24.

Munster do a poor job at developing homegrown talent, especially at 10.

Darren Sweetnam, the Scannells, Jack O'Donoghue recently. The likes of Zebo, Earls, O'Mahony and Murray in the recent past. Yes we don't produce as many as Leinster, but then again nobody does. It a numbers game really. We don't have the player numbers or the school system that Leinster have to feed their academy.

Sabre0001 · 03-10-2018 03:45PM

Guess Who's Back, Back Again? JJ's Back, Tell a Friend

A little bit of cringe at the start ("Now that's Joey"), but a nice video. Leamy welcomes Carbery to Munster.

https://twitter.com/threeredkings/status/1047493346191716352

03-10-2018 04:06PM

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

A mate of mine from college told me a story once of how he came home after a night out, absolutely smashed out of his tree drunk and decided to have a bit of private hand time before bed. He woke up to screaming the next morning when his mam and sister walked into the living room and there he was fast asleep on the sofa with lad still in hand having dozed off mid performance. He even had his tshirt still pulled half way up his chest.

That was the cringiest thing I'd ever heard until I watched that pinergy video.

iminterestd0 · 03-10-2018 04:08PM

that's laughably bad.. how desperate

Buer · 03-10-2018 04:09PM

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"Mate".

phog · 04-10-2018 08:30PM

Munster A v Scarlets A tomorrow evening in Cork

Munster A: Stephen Fitzgerald; Calvin Nash, Shane Daly, Matt More, Liam Coombes; Bill Johnston (C), Jack Stafford; Josh Wycherley, Diarmuid Barron, Jeremy Loughman; Fineen Wycherley, Darren O’Shea; Sean O’Connor, Jack Daly, Dave O’Callaghan.

Replacements: Eoghan Clarke, Cronan Gleeson, Keynan Knox, Paddy Kelly, Dan Walsh, John Poland, Ben Healy, Alex McHenry.

phog · 05-10-2018 11:05AM

Team for tomorrow

Munster: Andrew Conway; Darren Sweetnam, Sammy Arnold, Dan Goggin, Keith Earls; Joey Carbery, Alby Mathewson; Dave Kilcoyne, Niall Scannell, Stephen Archer; Jean Kleyn, Tadhg Beirne; Peter O’Mahony (C), Tommy O’Donnell, CJ Stander.

Replacements: Kevin O’Byrne, James Cronin, Ciaran Parker, Billy Holland, Chris Cloete, Duncan Williams, JJ Hanrahan, Rory Scannell.

TOD starts and Billy on the bench.

Conway gets his 100th cap for Munster

case885 · 05-10-2018 11:18AM

John Hayes Ligind

Not sure on goggin and Arnold starting together both hard running centres but lack creativity, would have preferred to have seen Scannell or jj at 12.
Cronin is definitely better starting and bringing kilkoyne off the bench with 20 to go he's made for that.
Surprised to see POM start again, why wasn't he taken off early last week when the game was wrapped up?

phog · 05-10-2018 01:12PM

case885 wrote: »

Not sure on goggin and Arnold starting together both hard running centres but lack creativity, would have preferred to have seen Scannell or jj at 12.
Cronin is definitely better starting and bringing kilkoyne off the bench with 20 to go he's made for that.
Surprised to see POM start again, why wasn't he taken off early last week when the game was wrapped up?

I know what you mean but we finished the game with 14 men last week, POM was subbed off when we had no replacements left.

Buer · 05-10-2018 01:31PM

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

phog wrote: »

I know what you mean but we finished the game with 14 men last week, POM was subbed off when we had no replacements left.

What I found baffling was that POM went down for treatment twice in the second half (when replacements were available) and they continued on with him. Munster were about 40 points up at that point. I was completely flummoxed.

case885 · 05-10-2018 02:03PM

John Hayes Ligind

phog wrote:

I know what you mean but we finished the game with 14 men last week, POM was subbed off when we had no replacements left.

TOD was taken off before that, I thought it should have been POM or even stander.

mogwai81 · 06-10-2018 04:53AM

How is Bill Johnston playing this year? It’s great to see him get a run of games together in the Celtic cup. A good prospect, who’s had a tough time with injuries.

Shefwedfan · 06-10-2018 06:43AM

mogwai81 wrote: »

How is Bill Johnston playing this year? It’s great to see him get a run of games together in the Celtic cup. A good prospect, who’s had a tough time with injuries.

Doesn't matter how he is playing, will never see first team with the current back logs of 10's, if I was him I would walk out the door to Ulster/Connaght or head to France/England. Better chance of progressing your career

kuang1 · 06-10-2018 07:02AM

Stander Up and Fight

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Doesn't matter how he is playing, will never see first team with the current back logs of 10's

I think it just might matter if he's playing well and the backlog of 10s are either injured or not worth a shiiite.

06-10-2018 07:02AM

John Hayes Ligind

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Doesn't matter how he is playing, will never see first team with the current back logs of 10's, if I was him I would walk out the door to Ulster/Connaght or head to France/England. Better chance of progressing your career

JJ and Keatley are extremely average. If they can get gametime at 10 for Munster there's no reason that Johnston can't either if he's talented as we think he could be. On top of that Bleyendaal has a very poor injury record.

Eod100 · 06-10-2018 08:01AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Doesn't matter how he is playing, will never see first team with the current back logs of 10's, if I was him I would walk out the door to Ulster/Connaght or head to France/England. Better chance of progressing your career

He'd still be on bench in Ulster of Connacht but guess be would have better chance of game time off bench

Brief_Lives · 06-10-2018 08:23AM

Well, I'm flying home for the game.. Let's sow it into them..

Family reunion.. Gwan munster...

Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

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