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Is it illegal to give a walkover to win a league?

  • 24-09-2018 10:12am
    #1
    arctictree
    Registered Users Posts: 4,283 ✭✭✭


    Situation was that we were two points behind the league leaders with our last game to play them. They were only a couple of points ahead of us on points diff. They gave us a walkover but they win the league on points difference. Is that allowed?


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  • #2
    theoneeyedman
    Registered Users Posts: 6,323 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    arctictree wrote: »
    Situation was that we were two points behind the league leaders with our last game to play them. They were only a couple of points ahead of us on points diff. They gave us a walkover but they win the league on points difference. Is that allowed?

    Depends on the rules of the competition I guess,county bylaws etc.

    Sounds like a cvntish act alright. In Roscommon, a forfeit automatically ends in a 1 point deduction, 2 forfeits means you are out of the competition.


  • #3
    big_drive
    Registered Users Posts: 3,106 ✭✭✭big_drive


    Probably not illegal but against the "spirit" of the game really in my book. Lousy thing to do

    Probably a token fine for it and thats the only consequence


  • #4
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,383 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    Surely if any team gets a win by a walkover, then score difference can't be used to separate two teams on equal points? I'd be making an appeal to the county board because that shouldn't be allowed.


  • #5
    mrbango
    Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭mrbango


    Wow thats risiculous. Name and shame the league. In most keagues it wpuld go head to head if teams finish on level points so the walkover would give you the league title. Again alot of leagues jave by laws but as far as i can see these bylaws arent documented anywhere so very hard to prove.


  • #6
    robbiezero
    Registered Users Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Surprised that is allowed.
    Happened in Tipp in group stages of championship when Carrick Swan gave Thurles Sars a walkover. Score difference could not then be used in the group to separate teams level on points.


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  • #7
    howiya
    Registered Users Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭howiya


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Surprised that is allowed.
    Happened in Tipp in group stages of championship when Carrick Swan gave Thurles Sars a walkover. Score difference could not then be used in the group to separate teams level on points.

    The only rule in TO that mentions walk overs specifically refers to championship. I'd imagine county boards would copy the same logic for running league competitions though


  • #8
    mightyreds
    Registered Users Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    Is there no league final most leagues i know of have a final match


  • #9
    Browney7
    Registered Users Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭Browney7


    Look up the county board's published rules - in the GAA rulebook, ties in leagues are settled by head to head unless the county board have a specific provision otherwise.

    Seems like they gamed the system


  • #10
    Happyilylost
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    Hammer Archer wrote:
    Surely if any team gets a win by a walkover, then score difference can't be used to separate two teams on equal points? I'd be making an appeal to the county board because that shouldn't be allowed.


    100% this. A walk over rules out the points difference rule and two teams on the same points should play off. I'd be surprised if every rule book didn't have this in it.


  • #11
    Stationmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 825 ✭✭✭Stationmaster


    Score difference does not come into it if there was a walkover given. In this case it would go to a play off.


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  • #12
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,576 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Why would any team / management even want to take home the league win doing that. Id be very surprised if there were teams out there that would pull this at closing stages.

    Is this hypothetical


  • #13
    JazzyJ
    Registered Users Posts: 683 ✭✭✭JazzyJ


    It depends on the individual county by laws. In Dublin they reference the official GAA guide 6.21 (c) (unless there was more than two teams involved - where they have their own rules):
    ... when
    Teams finish with equal points for Qualification
    for the Concluding Stages, or for Promotion
    or Relegation, the tie shall be decided by the
    following means and in the order specified:
    (i) Where two Teams only are involved - the
    outcome of the meeting of the two Teams
    in the previous game in the Competition;
    (ii) Scoring Difference (subtracting the total
    Scores Against from total Scores For);
    (iii) Highest Total Score For;
    (iv) A Play-Off.

    Exceptions to (c):
    (1) In relation to means (ii) and (iii) above,
    if the accumulated scores of a team, so
    involved, are affected by a disqualification,
    loss of game on a proven objection,
    retirement or walk over, the tie shall be
    decided by a Play-Off.
    (2) Regulations (i), (ii) and (iii) shall not
    apply to under 16 or younger age grade
    competitions

    Disqualifications in Dublin due to walkovers only occur when 3 or more teams are level:
    (ii) Where more than two teams are involved – Scoring difference (subtracting the total scores against
    from the total scores for) of the games where the teams tied on points played each other only. In the
    event that a team involved in a tie consisting of more than two teams had their finishing points total
    affected by a loss of points against that team on a proven objection, forfeiture of points for breach of
    rule / regulation, or by loss of points for failing to fulfil a fixture, that team shall not be included in any
    play-off and shall deemed to have finished in last place in whatever means is used to decide the tie. The
    procedures outlined in Rule 6.21 (4) (c) T.O. 2017 shall then be used to separate the remaining teams in
    the tie.

    So effectively in Dublin if two teams drew and one gave a walkover, points difference would still come in to it - there's no mention of walkovers in that scenario :eek:

    So what county was this in? What was the head to head between the teams?

    Edit: Just seen that they gave you a walkover... so if the usual rules were applied you would win the head to head... but that's assuming county boards do things consistently.


  • #14
    stooge
    Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭stooge


    Would be very surprised if the team that won the league (and gave you the walkover) had not already checked and double checked with the county board if there were any ramifications in doing so. So most likely they are in the clear.

    Just to add, completely despicable thing to do. How could you hold your head up as a player or manager in this situation?


  • #15
    cgc5483
    Registered Users Posts: 638 ✭✭✭cgc5483


    As JazzyJ said above the regulations are set by each counties by laws set by competition control committee (CCC). Your secretary will have received them at the beginning of the year.


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