The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

Hazys · 10-09-2018 07:40PM

Put a fork in it, the discussion of GOAT is defined by the dictionary as TB12:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/goat

There's no denying what Aaron Rodgers has done in his career, but to say Rodgers is the GOAT is a big statement considering what Tom Brady has accomplished.

Jolly Red Giant · 10-09-2018 07:59PM

Paully D wrote: »

https://twitter.com/pff_gordon/status/1038916857988898821?s=21

Jesus! :eek:

He looks like a good one.

Knex* · 10-09-2018 08:00PM

Paully D wrote: »

https://twitter.com/pff_gordon/status/1038916857988898821?s=21

Jesus! :eek:

I'm not kidding when I say that I actually enjoy watching punts...

Billy86 · 10-09-2018 08:12PM

Oat23 wrote: »

Kap charging $175 for a new 'I'm with Kap' jersey. Bit much..
https://kaepernick7.com/collections/jersey/products/jersey

Just a little bit alright! I don't get it; if he sold them at normal jersey costs he could really, really get under the NFL's skin by having a good few show up in them. And of course the fallout in the crowd from the snowflakes offended by their own country's constitution would make that even worse from the NFL's point of view.

Knex* · 10-09-2018 08:26PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_27JbYJERw

Rodgers high off his game in his post match interview? :pac:

Knex* · 10-09-2018 10:12PM

https://twitter.com/art_stapleton/status/1039240397606793217

6ft8" and weighs about 300lbs, thought he was a speed guy. Jesus Christ.

Hardly an unknown commodity too. The mind ****ing boggles.

Itssoeasy · 10-09-2018 10:45PM

Knex. wrote: »

https://twitter.com/art_stapleton/status/1039240397606793217

6ft8" and weighs about 300lbs, thought he was a speed guy. Jesus Christ.

Hardly an unknown commodity too. The mind ****ing boggles.

I hope Eli has good health insurance. Jesus that's a fairly poor answer.

boccy23 · 11-09-2018 08:02AM

Knex. wrote: »

https://twitter.com/art_stapleton/status/1039240397606793217

6ft8" and weighs about 300lbs, thought he was a speed guy. Jesus Christ.

Hardly an unknown commodity too. The mind ****ing boggles.

Shows a high element of laziness on Flowers behalf as well. What is he doing during all the time watching tape??

raze_them_all_ · 11-09-2018 12:05PM

Hazys wrote: »

Put a fork in it, the discussion of GOAT is defined by the dictionary as TB12:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/goat

If I had a a choice on pure talent I'd 100% take Rodgers. The best pure talent to play the game but Brady is more accomplished with the best coach of all time. Brady will go down as the goat for all he achieved, Rodgers is in it for his talent

j8wk2feszrnpao · 11-09-2018 12:27PM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

If I had a a choice on pure talent I'd 100% take Rodgers. The best pure talent to play the game but Brady is more accomplished with the best coach of all time. Brady will go down as the goat for all he achieved, Rodgers is in it for his talent

I would say that Rodgers is better physically, but Brady has the talent. Having the mentality, composure, drive.... they are talents that are just as important as having a gifted arm. It's not just the SB appearances/wins, he has the stats/records to back it all up. He's 41, the reigning MVP, and looked top class in his last game again.

JaMarcus · 11-09-2018 12:30PM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

If I had a a choice on pure talent I'd 100% take Rodgers. The best pure talent to play the game

Realt Dearg Sec · 11-09-2018 12:36PM

Two words. Smokin. Jay.

bruschi · 11-09-2018 12:37PM

JaMarcus wrote: »

well, week 2 seems like as good point in the season to get the discussion going.:pac:

Oat23 · 11-09-2018 01:09PM

Looking back after they both retire I'll go with Rodgers because as said above I think he has more pure talent/ability.

However, if I had to choose either coming out of college knowing what they would both become I'd go with Brady because he's got longevity. It's highly unlikely Rodgers has another 7+ years in him. Every time he gets hit you're worried about him breaking. He has suffered 2 broken collarbones already which isn't an injury you want for a QB...look at Romo.

Adamocovic · 11-09-2018 01:16PM

Oat23 wrote: »

Looking back after they both retire I'll go with Rodgers because as said above I think he has more pure talent/ability.

However, if I had to choose either coming out of college knowing what they would both become I'd go with Brady because he's got longevity. It's highly unlikely Rodgers has another 7+ years in him. Every time he gets hit you're worried about him breaking. He has suffered 2 broken collarbones already which isn't an injury you want for a QB...look at Romo.

Ah Romo...broke my heart he never got to play for a Superbowl. A great QB who realistically is gaining more respect now since he's retired. Just used to be the butt of a joke.

Foxtrol · 11-09-2018 01:44PM

eagle eye wrote: »

You said they don't deserve any credit for yards after contact.
How are you claiming you didn't say that?

You’ve already accepted that more praise for yards after contact is deserved for an RB than the OL, which is the exact point I was attempting to make. Despite never stating that ’no credit’ should be given to the OL I have repeatedly clarified that I didn’t mean this, even if it is what you incorrectly inferred from my post.

Quit trying to have an argument about a viewpoint you wish I had. No one wants to see it so if you want to continue you’ll be having it with yourself.

Paully D · 11-09-2018 04:35PM

https://twitter.com/fblrave/status/1039488752832397316?s=21

Amazing! :pac:

Itssoeasy · 11-09-2018 05:01PM

Paully D wrote: »

https://twitter.com/fblrave/status/1039488752832397316?s=21

Amazing! :pac:

You can see why the Giants didn't pick up his fifth year option.

raze_them_all_ · 11-09-2018 05:23PM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

I would say that Rodgers is better physically, but Brady has the talent. Having the mentality, composure, drive.... they are talents that are just as important as having a gifted arm. It's not just the SB appearances/wins, he has the stats/records to back it all up. He's 41, the reigning MVP, and looked top class in his last game again.

Genuine question. Is there any throw that Brady can make that Rodgers can't? Cos I guarantee there is that Rodgers can do that Brady cant

eagle eye · 11-09-2018 05:50PM

I'm a Patriots fan but have always loved watching Rodgers play.
I think if he manages to get three rings that he will definitely open a conversation about the GOAT.
What he has to prove is leadership when the chips are down, he has to show he is clutch and most of all consistent against great defenses.

raze_them_all_ · 11-09-2018 06:50PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm a Patriots fan but have always loved watching Rodgers play.
I think if he manages to get three rings that he will definitely open a conversation about the GOAT.
What he has to prove is leadership when the chips are down, he has to show he is clutch and most of all consistent against great defenses.

Leadership like playing on one leg while 20 down where he could of just said nah??

j8wk2feszrnpao · 11-09-2018 07:26PM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Genuine question. Is there any throw that Brady can make that Rodgers can't? Cos I guarantee there is that Rodgers can do that Brady cant

To be fair, Brady has the handicap of 5 rings on his hand while making that throw :cool:

eagle eye · 11-09-2018 07:28PM

I laughed hard.

raze_them_all_ · 11-09-2018 07:31PM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

To be fair, Brady has the handicap of 5 rings on his hand while making that throw :cool:

I'll take that as a he's right so best make a joke

Billy86 · 11-09-2018 07:35PM

Rodgers at his peak plays the game at a higher level than anyone before him, albeit only by a fraction such are the margins there. Brady however has been doing it for so long and so consistently with basically no time missed from injuries (barring 2008) that he has to be the GOAT.

I don't put nearly as much stock in SB rings or 4th quarter comebacks as some do (and the latter is frankly dumb most of the time), and he does have the greatest coach of all time working in his favour on those from the other side of the ball (compared to a guy who could shortlist for worst defensive coordinator of the decade to last more than 1-2 years), but it's extremely hard to discount being in 8 Superbowls over 17 years and winning 5 of them.

The "Malcolm Butlers interception makes Brady the GOAT!" talk did wind me up quite a bit, because the focus was largely on simply winning and not the overall performance (and Brady had a quality game), but it was really the year or two after that absolutely sealed it for me in terms of the whole GOAT thing.

Still, give me one QB in a must-win game and I'm going Rodgers every time. Totally not biased or anything.

Billy86 · 11-09-2018 07:38PM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Leadership like playing on one leg while 20 down where he could of just said nah??

"Relax"

"We'll run the table"

Rodgers is an incredible leader. The problem is he's had some injury issues, and more importantly a defense that just finds a way to lose no matter what. I recall seeing in around 2014 that he had more "comeback wins" that his defense managed to then lose on him with less than 1 minute on the clock than Manning and Brady combined, and by quite a distance. And at that point, between those two they probably had about 7-8 times the number of games Rodgers had under his belt. That's almost hard to even wrap your head around, it's so ridiculous.

davetherave · 11-09-2018 07:56PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Two words. Smokin. Jay.

Sorry, you misspelt Sexy Rexy

This is a guy who got to a superbowl in his first full season, and is one of only 4 Bears QB's to start all 16 games in the last 36 years.

BonnieSituation · 11-09-2018 08:05PM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

To be fair, Brady has the handicap of 5 rings on his hand while making that throw :cool:

Rodgers has the handicap of playing under McCarthy

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 11-09-2018 08:17PM

My 2 cents on the GOAT argument.

I see a lot here about "based on pure talent." Tbh I think it's a shıtty, irrelevant argument. That's not what football, or any team sport, is about. The best player is the player who can contribute the best towards winning.
Tom Brady probably wouldn't even be in the top 3 in terms of talent in his generation. Does that matter? Not one bit. He has contributed more towards winning games that any other player has in history, and it's not even close. Not to mention he's done it in the era when every rule and league-wide strategy is designed to stop repeat winners. Has he benefited from favourable external factors (weak division, great head coach, etc)? Yes, he has, but he's so far ahead of 2nd best that's it's irrelevant.
Football is a results based business, and talent is only 1 attribute that contributes towards making a great player. Tom is so much more than his talent, and every former teammate of his will testify to that.

At the end of the day, you can say A-Rod, Marino, Elway or Young is the most talented, but who the fcuk cares? It's a losers argument. The greatest football player of all time is Tom Brady. Montana is a comfortable second, and until such time Aaron Rodgers wins 2 more Superbowls he doesn't even belong in the argument.

Hazys · 11-09-2018 08:40PM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Genuine question. Is there any throw that Brady can make that Rodgers can't? Cos I guarantee there is that Rodgers can do that Brady cant

Is there any throw that Brady can make that Luck can't?

I don't understand the argument, are you saying Rodgers has more talent because if in shorts and t-shirts against no opposition he can make a wider array of throws?

If not and you are making the argument that in games Rodgers can make a wider array of throws in games that doesn't make sense either. Maybe Rodgers should make a less wider array of throws like Brady and win more games.

Talent is overrated and subjective. I think a lot of what people are calling talent as the ability to make big throwing plays. What if I defined talent as making the correct decision in the passing game consistently and constantly getting first downs? By that definition, then Brady would be the most talented.

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