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Pogue eile · 04-09-2018 8:56pm

Mane and Abua to Hazard and Lacazette for a -4 am I mad?

My thinking is Hazard is almost a must have and will be very soon, Mane has horrible fixtures, and Laca looks like he will be played through the middle and Abua out wider and of course is considerably cheaper.

jamesbere · 05-09-2018 12:20am

Pogue eile wrote: »

Mane and Abua to Hazard and Lacazette for a -4 am I mad?

My thinking is Hazard is almost a must have and will be very soon, Mane has horrible fixtures, and Laca looks like he will be played through the middle and Abua out wider and of course is considerably cheaper.

Don't think your mad, but for a hit is it really worth it. Mane is on better form then hazard, granted hazard has the better fixture. Auba and lacazette is a toss of a coin who will outscore one another.

I've brought in lacazette alright, mainly cos he's the cheaper option.

The key to the change is whether hazard will outscore Mane and take into account the - 4, you need at least a two goal return off him to be sure

Pete_Cavan · 05-09-2018 7:34am

It is quite possible that Hazard will outscore Mané by more than 4 points over the next three or four weeks though. Also, it will be easier to go from Hazard back to Mané at any time in a single transfer as Mané is cheaper. Should you decide that you need Hazard, you have to keep funds in the bank or take a hit.

miller82 · 05-09-2018 7:43am

anyone getting on the Deeney train ?

Pete_Cavan · 05-09-2018 9:34am

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Unless Willian has a huge performance, there is a good chance Pedro will be back in for the Cardiff game after the internationals, particularly if Willian is in the States with Brazil for their two games next week.

Further to this, Willian is in the Brazil squad, they are playing on Saturday and El Salvador next Wednesday. Unless he is released early, I would seriously doubt Willian will start for Chelsea then the following Saturday.

Also worth noting that Firmino, Allison, Fabinho, Fred and Pereira are also in the squad with Liverpool and Man Utd also playing on Saturday. Worth keeping an eye out to see if these guys get released early because if not they will have little time with their clubs to prepare for the weekends games.

Edit; don't know what Pep had to do for Tite but no City players in the squad.

Lisa.J.Kelly · 05-09-2018 2:09pm

That is an excellent way to see things! Definitely win-win situation.

Shanotheslayer · 05-09-2018 2:25pm

Lisa.J.Kelly wrote: »

That is an excellent way to see things! Definitely win-win situation.

Am I missing something here?

What is?

Scorpion Sting · 05-09-2018 2:27pm

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Am I missing something here?

What is?

She was responding to billymitchell's comment:

As a Liverpool fan, I am tempted to take him out. If he doesnt score, my FF team doesnt suffer, if he scores , I am a happy Liverpool fan. Its kind of win - win!

NoviGlitzko · 05-09-2018 3:10pm

Is there something I'm missing in terms of stats or some secret lads. Hazard has never been a top top FPL scorer. Even his best season Sterling and Mahrez blew his stats outta the park. I mean, get him in if you want, but Liverpool are fixture proof. They could easily score 2-4 goals in their next 4 fixtures each. I could be wrong and to be fair Chelsea are playing in a new system where Haz could possibly flourish but I think it's a bit mad. Mane is a much better PPM player, always has been. Don't get me started on Salah.

SlickRic · 05-09-2018 3:34pm

NoviGlitzko wrote: »

Is there something I'm missing in terms of stats or some secret lads. Hazard has never been a top top FPL scorer. Even his best season Sterling and Mahrez blew his stats outta the park. I mean, get him in if you want, but Liverpool are fixture proof. They could easily score 2-4 goals in their next 4 fixtures each. I could be wrong and to be fair Chelsea are playing in a new system where Haz could possibly flourish but I think it's a bit mad. Mane is a much better PPM player, always has been. Don't get me started on Salah.

Hazard is the quintessential FPL troll.

if you watch games, he's on the ball all the time, he looks dangerous, takes penalties, and is generally just brilliant.

but his stats never match up. he's not in the box enough, for instance, and doesn't take enough shots to justify the price.

Chesty08 · 05-09-2018 3:35pm

NoviGlitzko wrote: »

Is there something I'm missing in terms of stats or some secret lads. Hazard has never been a top top FPL scorer. Even his best season Sterling and Mahrez blew his stats outta the park. I mean, get him in if you want, but Liverpool are fixture proof. They could easily score 2-4 goals in their next 4 fixtures each. I could be wrong and to be fair Chelsea are playing in a new system where Haz could possibly flourish but I think it's a bit mad. Mane is a much better PPM player, always has been. Don't get me started on Salah.

Yeah think I’m in agreement. I’m leaning towards a midfield of Salah, Sterling and Pedro. I will probably go without Salah this week for Hazard but bring back in after this Gameweek. Mane is a head **** and I don’t think his output is sustainable based on his chances, shots & positions he takes up. Would love to see him prove me wrong but for next few gameweeks happy to go without

COH · 05-09-2018 7:23pm

I have been let down by Hazard literally every single time I have owner him the past few seasons. That being said I think if there was ever a time to own him - this is probably it. Chelsea seem to have a new lease of life under the new manager and Hazard is the focal point of their attack and is probably playing for his Madrid contract next summer.

I dont think I could justify dropping Salah for him though, Mane perhaps, but even at that he is the highest scoring mid in the game at the moment and is a good bit cheaper (I've had him since gw1) playing for a team that break fast on the counter against teams who are tough but have been leaking goals (Spurs/City etc.)

Iused2likebusts · 05-09-2018 8:14pm

As a hazard non owner the only thing I fear is Chelsea getting a lot of pens. I just don't see him tearing it up based on past evidence unless Chelsea get a crazy amount of pens like crystal palace did last year.

Green&Red · 05-09-2018 8:37pm

I love Hazard, he’s an explosive captain option. He regularly returns double digits and unlike say Kane does it in the games he’s expected to. You’re buying him because when he plays Bournemouth he gets 11 points and when he plays city he gets 2 points

Markx · 05-09-2018 8:47pm

NoviGlitzko wrote: »

Is there something I'm missing in terms of stats or some secret lads. Hazard has never been a top top FPL scorer. Even his best season Sterling and Mahrez blew his stats outta the park. I mean, get him in if you want, but Liverpool are fixture proof. They could easily score 2-4 goals in their next 4 fixtures each. I could be wrong and to be fair Chelsea are playing in a new system where Haz could possibly flourish but I think it's a bit mad. Mane is a much better PPM player, always has been. Don't get me started on Salah.

The bolded bit is simply not true.

Hazard's two top scoring seasons are 224 and 233.

Aguero's top scoring season is 216
Kane's top scoring season is 224
Sterling's top scoring season is 229. His second best is nowhere near that.
Mahrez's top scoring season is 240. His second best is nowhere near that.

Over their respective times in the premier league:
Hazard's PPM is 0.068
Mane's PPM is 0.065

jamesbere · 05-09-2018 9:19pm

I think hazard is a good option to have, he's there key player and can pop up with some good hauls. Cardiff at home is no brainer captain wise.

Pete_Cavan · 05-09-2018 9:23pm

I'd expect Chelsea to maintain their form once European games kick in. They will be putting out the second team in the Europa League which is when the big guns will get rested, whereas the Champions League teams will likely rotate players in the league with an eye on big European games. Chelsea will be focusing on the league and its looking like Hazard will be their main man.

Benimar · 05-09-2018 9:40pm

Green&Red wrote: »

I love Hazard, he’s an explosive captain option. He regularly returns double digits and unlike say Kane does it in the games he’s expected to. You’re buying him because when he plays Bournemouth he gets 11 points and when he plays city he gets 2 points

I had Hazard last year for a 7 game run of SWA, NEW, whu, hud, SOU, eve, BRI. As easy a run as you could get really.

He returned a 15 pointer, a 6 pointer, three 3 pointers and two 2 pointers.

He can hit a big score but people over estimate how often he does it. He throws in a LOT of blanks.

Iused2likebusts · 05-09-2018 10:18pm

Benimar wrote: »

I had Hazard last year for a 7 game run of SWA, NEW, whu, hud, SOU, eve, BRI. As easy a run as you could get really.

He returned a 15 pointer, a 6 pointer, three 3 pointers and two 2 pointers.

He can hit a big score but people over estimate how often he does it. He throws in a LOT of blanks.

I had a disaster with hazard last year moved sterling and Alonso out to get him for that run. Sterling and Alonso teared it up over that stretch and hazard did little or nothing I actually had him for a few weeks before that newcastle haul didn't have him for the newcastle game and then had him again for all the blanks. I worked it out last year my move to get hazard basically cost me close to 100 pts and destroyed my season. Even that newcastle game again one of the goals is a peno and it then gets him 3 bonus. Now of course this is part of the game and we all know he is on pens and it helps make him a good option. However he is fairly reliant on Chelsea getting a lot of pens to justify his price based on what we have seen before. Maybe under Sarri things will be different but I'm totally of the believe that Pedro is much better value. Pedro once in the team is mane, alli, David Silva type level of output. I think hazard is a grand option and I'd expect him to score against Cardiff but I just find him a bit of a trap. He looks great when you watch him but that doesn't necessarily make him a brilliant FF asset. I tend to have been very unlucky with the times I've owned hazard and not owned him so perhaps I'm being harsh on him.

extra gravy · 05-09-2018 10:21pm

Did he even have a shot on target before he scored against Bournemouth? I like watching him when I don't have him...

dsmythy · 05-09-2018 10:43pm

extra gravy wrote: »

Did he even have a shot on target before he scored against Bournemouth? I like watching him when I don't have him...

He didn't. Has amassed very good assisting stats though but Alonso a much bigger threat when it comes to goals.

Dearg81 · 05-09-2018 10:58pm

The thing about Hazard is that a goal is usually worth 7 or 8 points cos of bonus points unlike Sterling and Salah. He's not a big goal threat so I get why people don't rate him as a FF option but he should score more under Sarri given how attacking the team are.

extra gravy · 05-09-2018 11:34pm

I think it's been mentioned here before (maybe by Busts) that Hazard is very like Eriksen in that you have to buy him for the season or at least a long stretch of games to fully benefit from him. There'll be a lot of 2s and then a blast of double digit hauls. Taking him in and out just ends up with you missing his hauls and then cursing him.

pimpmyhat · 05-09-2018 11:43pm

The main prob with hazard under Conte was he kept subbing him around the 70 min mark if they were 2-0 up say.
It was frustrating as that's when the game often opens up.
Hopefully under sarri he plays more 90 mins.

NoviGlitzko · 06-09-2018 8:44am

Markx wrote: »

The bolded bit is simply not true.

Hazard's two top scoring seasons are 224 and 233.

Aguero's top scoring season is 216
Kane's top scoring season is 224
Sterling's top scoring season is 229. His second best is nowhere near that.
Mahrez's top scoring season is 240. His second best is nowhere near that.

Over their respective times in the premier league:
Hazard's PPM is 0.068
Mane's PPM is 0.065

What's Mane's PPM since he joined Liverpool?

Hazard played 3373 mins when he got the 233 score.
Sterling played 2584 mins when he got the 229 score.

That's pretty much the same score in 800 mins less.
Mahrez got his 240 with 300 mins less.

Hazard has great stats but I wouldn't be going mad to get him in personally for his price. I'd agree with Busts on Pedro. For a budget price he offers excellent value. Just depends if he'll start or not and if you want to lose the captaincy option that Hazard brings.

Shanotheslayer · 06-09-2018 8:49am

I'm bringing Hazard in on my wildcard.

I 100% fully believe he will troll me. For that I have no doubt. But I'd rather bring him in and be trolled rather than not and him hitting double digits. I can live with being trolled but going against my gut is a lot harder.

As people mentioned before, I brought Hazard in for those fixtures last year and it was absolutely painful. I genuinely hate owning him, but Cardiff are absolutely woeful

razorblunt · 06-09-2018 8:59am

Considering Hazard in for Salah. I'm not panicking over Salah but I think I can flip flip them every few weeks depending on games and also depending on if my opponent in my H2H league has Salah. Could be a difference maker (currently I'm 1-3).

Looking at Schurrle too, need to fit him in somewhere.

macraignil · 06-09-2018 3:27pm

razorblunt wrote: »

Considering Hazard in for Salah. I'm not panicking over Salah but I think I can flip flip them every few weeks depending on games and also depending on if my opponent in my H2H league has Salah. Could be a difference maker (currently I'm 1-3).

Looking at Schurrle too, need to fit him in somewhere.

Will be keeping an eye of Schurle too and he may come in when investing the change from the selling Salah for Hazard. Seri also looks like a good candidate and is .5mill cheaper but it will all depend on who else I'll be clearing out in a couple of game weeks. Hope its not Hazard who has flopped and has to go.

Porthallian · 06-09-2018 3:58pm

What are people doing with Zaha? Was tempted to get Ings in but he won't have a game in GW6 against parent club Liverpool.

dsmythy · 06-09-2018 4:28pm

Porthallian wrote: »

What are people doing with Zaha? Was tempted to get Ings in but he won't have a game in GW6 against parent club Liverpool.

But will Zaha play in GW5?

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