Killer Robots

Fathom · 15-08-2018 1:17am

Rubecula wrote: »

I served in the military and I really would like us to step back a bit and rethink this scenario.

You're qualified. I'm not. But I agree with you Rubecula.

Black Swan · 15-08-2018 2:59am

Rubecula wrote: »

I served in the military and I really would like us to step back a bit and rethink this scenario.

Indeed.

Fathom · 15-08-2018 4:42pm

Air Force Capt. Michael Byrnes predicts that a single unmanned aerial vehicle with machine-controlled maneuvering and accuracy could, “with a few hundred rounds of ammunition and sufficient fuel reserves,” take out an entire fleet of aircraft.

Rubecula · 15-08-2018 9:57pm

Fathom wrote: »

Air Force Capt. Michael Byrnes predicts that a single unmanned aerial vehicle with machine-controlled maneuvering and accuracy could, “with a few hundred rounds of ammunition and sufficient fuel reserves,” take out an entire fleet of aircraft.

couple of points on that one, ]

a. what type of aircraft?
b. how many in a fleet?
c. will they fight back?
d. will it attack as a surprise/ambush or will it be met head on?

let us not forget the difficulties involved in aerial combat.

Capt'n Midnight · 15-08-2018 11:13pm

Fathom wrote: »

Air Force Capt. Michael Byrnes predicts that a single unmanned aerial vehicle with machine-controlled maneuvering and accuracy could, “with a few hundred rounds of ammunition and sufficient fuel reserves,” take out an entire fleet of aircraft.

The prototype Firebee drone flew in 1951.

In 1971 some second generation drones were used by pilots from Top Gun during MASTACS as target practice. Computers weren't so good then so the drones were remote controlled. They were smaller and could turn faster than the Phantoms. The hunters became the hunted.

Manned fighters have been obsolete for almost half century.

The weak spot of UAV's was interfering with the remote control link, but AI wouldn't need remote control

Fathom · 16-08-2018 12:45am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Manned fighters have been obsolete for almost half century. The weak spot of UAV's was interfering with the remote control link, but AI wouldn't need remote control

Cool info. Thanks Capt'n.

Fathom · 16-08-2018 6:56pm

LAW are called lethal autonomous weapon systems (LAWS), lethal autonomous robots (LAR), robotic weapons, or killer robots. Sobering? Or the opposite?

Capt'n Midnight · 18-08-2018 12:11pm

And so it begins :eek:

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45183049

Black Swan · 18-08-2018 4:59pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

And so it begins :eek:

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45183049

Indeed.

Fathom · 19-08-2018 4:14am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

And so it begins :eek: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45183049

Robot peer influence.

s7ryf3925pivug · 19-08-2018 5:03am

Imagine a single intelligence with a network of cameras and other sensors, on drones and otherwise, directly controlling air strikes and artillery. I imagine integrated control like this would offer greater potential for conceiving and implementing strategies. The removal of the physical limits of human senses is a very interesting idea.

I imagine infantry would be by far the most difficult to replace. Taking the man out of the machine would be easier than replacing the soldier.

Fathom · 19-08-2018 11:42pm

Eli Strong Crossbow wrote: »

Imagine a single intelligence with a network of cameras and other sensors, on drones and otherwise, directly controlling air strikes and artillery. I imagine integrated control like this would offer greater potential for conceiving and implementing strategies. The removal of the physical limits of human senses is a very interesting idea.

"Interesting idea." Lots of controversy.

Black Swan · 20-08-2018 12:54am

Fathom wrote: »

"Interesting idea." Lots of controversy.

Assured to continue into the future.

Fathom · 20-08-2018 8:09pm

Eli Strong Crossbow wrote: »

I imagine infantry would be by far the most difficult to replace. Taking the man out of the machine would be easier than replacing the soldier.

Does today's gaming and sci fi predict future?

Rubecula · 21-08-2018 3:29pm

Fathom wrote: »

Does today's gaming and sci fi predict future?

good question, I would think it depends on which game you are referring to.

Also, I would guess that certain things in games may foresee the future to some degree.

Incidentally I do not like the word predict, it never works out, I have always preferred forecast as it tells you what is expected not what will happen.

Capt'n Midnight · 21-08-2018 10:06pm

Fathom wrote: »

Does today's gaming and sci fi predict future?

Look at this prediction

The Nokia Communicator came out three years earlier.
Seiko had

released a wristwatch TV in 1983.
All the technology existed.

I'm more worried about the power short term Shareholders, Speculators and Asset Strippers have over our lives than Killer Robots.

The killer robot problem would go away if those in control were made accountable.

Corporate Social Responsibility enforced. Like a Minster of a Govt Dept (UK would be a better example) the buck should stop at the top. If a robot goes on a killing spree then the guys at the top need to explain why or face REAL consequences. And things like "there weren't enough controls/ resources" won't be an excuse. If it could have been prevented by best practice then a mandatory manslaughter charge should be brought.

Fathom · 24-08-2018 3:44am

Tech release must be timely (Example: Michelangelo inventions not timely). Are we ready for androids release? Killer androids?

AlphabetCards · 25-08-2018 3:18pm

Eli Strong Crossbow wrote: »

Imagine a single intelligence with a network of cameras and other sensors, on drones and otherwise, directly controlling air strikes and artillery. I imagine integrated control like this would offer greater potential for conceiving and implementing strategies. The removal of the physical limits of human senses is a very interesting idea.

This is precisely where I feel AI is going to be implemented well. The very act of putting out a Fire Support Team to identify targets, call in Fires, adjust fall of shot (artillery, which is a hugely manpower intensive form of Fires) or deconflict airspace (JTAC) is all hugely manpower intensive. And for the modern army, aversion to casualties is a concern in the globally-connected world.

Fathom · 26-08-2018 10:42pm

Vast US military monies. Military robot development should progress.

Capt'n Midnight · 26-08-2018 11:05pm

Fathom wrote: »

Vast US military monies. Military robot development should progress.

You don't know how this works do you ?

Military R&D is a bottomless pit.

The F-35 project will cost a Trillion dollars and that's after all they've spento on the F-22.
Do you what happens to the clock if you cross the international date ?
Did you know that places like the Dead Sea are below sea level ?

Congrats you are over qualified to work on a Trillion dollar project. :rolleyes:

Black Swan · 27-08-2018 7:33am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Military R&D is a bottomless pit.

Center for the Study of the Drone
at Bard College:

The U.S. military’s spending on drones is set to reach a five-year high. The Department of Defense Fiscal Year 2018 budget request contains $6.97 billion for drone-related procurement, research and development, and system-specific construction. The President’s Budget 2018 maintains funding for existing unmanned aircraft at roughly the same level as the previous year and increases funding for research and development. It lays the groundwork for programs that will develop new unmanned ground and maritime drones, as well as the next generation of unmanned aircraft.

Fathom · 27-08-2018 10:28pm

...increases funding for research and development. Universities & MIC.

Capt'n Midnight · 27-08-2018 11:32pm

Fathom wrote: »

...increases funding for research and development. Universities & MIC.

A lot of it is for re--inventing the wheel and siphoning off.

The UK has just announced £92m to plan for a replacement GPS system./URL]

A feasibility study to work out what a UK programme might look like would cost around £100m alone, according to the official.

Capt'n Midnight · 28-08-2018 10:55pm

Black Swan · 29-08-2018 7:56am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

A lot of it is for re--inventing the wheel and siphoning off.

The "Wheel" was invented in lab long, long before. Scale up from lab to manufacturing floor comes years later. Unless there is a major crisis (WW III), then they can launch liberty ships (aka mass produced killer robots) in days after inventories, staffing, training, and tooling. And robots building robots.

Fathom · 29-08-2018 4:44pm

Behind times, becomes times.

Black Swan · 01-09-2018 2:58am

Methinks that there will be a great amount of time between new autonomous weapons systems design and development, and scale up to manufacturing floor, as well as distribution of new weapons systems due to the lag built into the Military Industrial Complex. MIC would have to retool for new systems, which costs, while profits can still be made with existing systems. Profits first, new systems second.

Fathom · 01-09-2018 4:01am

Monthly and annual results. Profits and bonuses. Beyond that...?

Black Swan · 02-09-2018 1:35pm

Inside the United Nations’ effort to regulate autonomous killer robots.

Fathom · 09-09-2018 6:37pm

Elon Musk calls for ban on killer robots before ‘weapons of terror’ are unleashed.

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