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Civil service pay scale

  • 30-06-2018 10:00pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭DG7


    When looking at a civil service job advertisement there are numerous salaries mentioned.

    How does it work? Do you enter at the lowest and then yur salary increases to the next figure after a certain amount if time? Or could you enter at a higher level dependant on experience and/or qualifications?

    €29,026 €31,019 €32,139 €34,024 €35,714 €37,347 €38,974 €40,568 €42,178
    €43,744 €45,358 €46,427 €47,948 (LSI1) €49,465 (LSI2)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 31 randomnumber1


    DG7 wrote: »
    When looking at a civil service job advertisement there are numerous salaries mentioned.

    How does it work? Do you enter at the lowest and then yur salary increases to the next figure after a certain amount if time? Or could you enter at a higher level dependant on experience and/or qualifications?

    €29,026 €31,019 €32,139 €34,024 €35,714 €37,347 €38,974 €40,568 €42,178
    €43,744 €45,358 €46,427 €47,948 (LSI1) €49,465 (LSI2)


    New entrants to the civil service start on the lowest point on the scale and then rise to the next figure/increment after each year of service.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭slavetothegrind


    automatically or based on merit?
    Also how do they hire for specific experienced roles with that policy?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭august12


    automatically or based on merit? Also how do they hire for specific experienced roles with that policy?


    Anyone entering from private sector start at lowest point and move up to next point after 12 months, this is automatic but supposed to be based on performance, I have never heard of anyone who didn't get their yearly increment, jobs are advertised on publicjobs.ie, clerical officer is advertised at present, if some one is already working in civil service and applies and is offered a higher grade, then they move on to the nearest point of the new grade,


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭slavetothegrind


    how the feck do they get any experienced people?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    august12 wrote: »
    Anyone entering from private sector start at lowest point and move up to next point after 12 months, this is automatic but supposed to be based on performance, I have never heard of anyone who didn't get their yearly increment, jobs are advertised on publicjobs.ie, clerical officer is advertised at present, if some one is already working in civil service and applies and is offered a higher grade, then they move on to the nearest point of the new grade,

    Plenty of people get their increments refused, it’s actually quite common.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,647 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    august12 wrote: »
    Anyone entering from private sector start at lowest point and move up to next point after 12 months, this is automatic but supposed to be based on performance, I have never heard of anyone who didn't get their yearly increment, jobs are advertised on publicjobs.ie, clerical officer is advertised at present, if some one is already working in civil service and applies and is offered a higher grade, then they move on to the nearest point of the new grade,

    Oh it happened not very often. Think they did some survey and a high majority would not give a bad mark as it would reflect badly on them and also union pressure


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Oh it happened not very often. Think they did some survey and a high majority would not give a bad mark as it would reflect badly on them and also union pressure

    Increments get stopped all the time for sick leave and “lates” as well as performance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,594 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    how the feck do they get any experienced people?

    They don't - unless the ecperienced people have become unattractive elsewhere in the labour market. That's why there are some issues.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭notharrypotter


    how the feck do they get any experienced people?

    Define "experienced".


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,756 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    how the feck do they get any experienced people?

    It is hard but they get some willing to trade off the extra money for work-life balance, job security, intangibles like concept of doing a job that is ultimately supposed to help society (that's the ideal if not always met in practice!!).

    Issue is not so relevant to payscale that was posted in OP (think it is "EO" or the "AO" grade, haven't bothered to look it up... and these are kind of a junior management job that is supposedly aimed at someone out of college, so idea would be to get them in quite young + train them up).


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,647 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Increments get stopped all the time for sick leave and “lates” as well as performance.

    Sick & lates yes performance very rarely I work with 1 person who should have no increment for a number of years due to performance and attitude but keep getting it due to be loud and argumenative


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,577 ✭✭✭Indricotherium


    Plenty of people get their increments refused, it’s actually quite common.

    No it's not.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/just-30-civil-servants-fail-assessment-for-pay-rise-1.1068993


  • Registered Users Posts: 257 ✭✭belacqua_



    That’s a six-year old article. It’s not at all unusual for staff to be refused their increment because of poor performance. What happens after the unions and other factors come into play is a different story altogether.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 Riggie


    I can tell you from personal experience increments can and have been stopped.. no one is guaranteed their increment


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,577 ✭✭✭Indricotherium


    Riggie wrote: »
    I can tell you from personal experience increments can and have been stopped.. no one is guaranteed their increment

    Aside from non attendance I think they are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭ Reginald Clean Karate


    It's very hard to give someone an unsatisfactory rating for a bad period which may have been a blip and which will effect their careers and prospects of promotion for the rest of their lives.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,577 ✭✭✭Indricotherium


    belacqua_ wrote: »
    That’s a six-year old article. It’s not at all unusual for staff to be refused their increment because of poor performance. What happens after the unions and other factors come into play is a different story altogether.

    Here you go so.

    https://hr.per.gov.ie/pmds-2016/

    99.75% deemed satisfactory in 2016 is that recent enough for you.

    You are talking nonsense.

    Aside from people who simply don't attend work, only a tiny fraction do not get an increment.

    God only knows what that .25% got up to.


  • Posts: 0 Jaxton Alive Lava


    if ye were graded on staying on topic ye wouldnt be getting yere increments would ye


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭bobbysands81



    That’s 6 years old and only ONE of the reasons people don’t get their increments.

    I can tell you honestly that plenty of people get refused increments for a variety of reasons.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Here you go so.

    https://hr.per.gov.ie/pmds-2016/

    99.75% deemed satisfactory in 2016 is that recent enough for you.

    You are talking nonsense.

    Aside from people who simply don't attend work, only a tiny fraction do not get an increment.

    God only knows what that .25% got up to.

    You’ve contradicted yourself in successive posts.

    First you say increments are guaranteed (apart from for non-attendance) and then you produce statistics which prove they’re not.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4 sryan5966


    Can someone explain the last two options? €47,948 (LSI1) €49,465 (LSI2). Are these after years of service?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,335 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    After the final increment there is a long service Increment 3 years apart



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