The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

Faugheen · 23-05-2018 04:45AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

I suppose being open about it in the public eye probably hampered him. I have friends who are atheists who had no issue being Godparents-even doing the communions and confirmations.

And it's a bit of a shame (to say the least) to see the differences Halligan experienced in his home country compared to Brazil where he was treated far differently, despite knowing he was an atheist.

I don't agree with the priest's decision-tbh, it's far from Christian.

I have actually spoken to priests about this stuff in the last few weeks. I think if your a God parent and sponsor. You have to lead the kid in a church like way. I don't really think John could do it. It's just how I understand things anyway.

It's not about the bishop or about Halligan though, it's about that child.

From what we have seen about Phonsie Cullinan, this is absolutely a political stunt and anyone who suggests otherwise is naive.

rgace · 23-05-2018 05:06AM

I have no problem with it personally. I have no interest myself in being involved in religous ceremonies, but if people do than I think they should play by the rules of that particular religon.

erica74 · 23-05-2018 05:47AM

retro:electro wrote: »

Twisting what I said to suit yourself as usual. But what else should we expect from a lying liar who lies.

This made me giggle, a much needed giggle:pac:

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Do you trust women to always make the right decision in this instance?

Yes, every single time.

pleas advice wrote: »

choice to do what?
to do what she feels is right in the circumstances

Yes

pleas advice wrote: »

to abort, if thats the choice

Yes.
Or to have her baby or to have 10 babies or to have no babies or whatever she chooses.

STB. wrote: »

So an advertisment appeared in the Wexford People today says in big capitals

ABORTION CLINIC OPENING WEXFORD
If you dont want this to happen vote NO to abortion and demand a better answer for mothers and babies.

Fúck you and your misleading paid for advertisments save8.ie is all I have to say.

I know I and others have said this already but surely something can be done about the outright lies in their campaign.

We're nearly there now. Not long ago, it felt like this day would never come! Repeal the 8th.

pjohnson · 23-05-2018 05:47AM

Python Desk wrote: »

When did I claim I care for the unborn, I'm voting yes by the way.

Thats harder to believe than anything Fidelma says.

Zubeneschamali · 23-05-2018 05:55AM

omerin wrote: »

hope that this referendum fails and that the politicians on all sides relook at it again and draft another proposal.

If No wins we'll wait for some older voters to die and then run the same proposal again. There will probably be another Savita/abcxy case in that time which will get us some undecideds and grind down the No voters some more.

The No side are on the back foot, Yes will win in the end.

Zubeneschamali · 23-05-2018 05:58AM

RobertKK wrote: »

I am forcing politicians to rethink their plans and come back to the people with an alternative.

I am invading France.

pleas advice · 23-05-2018 06:00AM

erica74 wrote: »

Yes.
Or to have her baby or to have 10 babies or to have no babies or whatever she chooses.
.

So, pro 'abortion' then?

Zubeneschamali · 23-05-2018 06:00AM

nullzero wrote: »

From an objective point tonight's debate was reasonably equal, the notion that there were "winners" shows the problem with this issue; the need for dominion of one side over the other.

Loser talk.

erica74 · 23-05-2018 06:02AM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I am invading France.

Robert has been banned.

pleas advice wrote: »

So, pro 'abortion' then?

No, prochoice.

Overheal · 23-05-2018 06:02AM

Python Desk wrote: »

Let's make theft and murder legal then for women, if you trust women it should be fine.

Overheal · 23-05-2018 06:06AM

pleas advice wrote: »

So, pro 'abortion' then?

So, pro ‘rape-baby’ then?

pleas advice · 23-05-2018 06:08AM

erica74 wrote: »

No, prochoice.

Pro choice for abortion. Ergo, pro abortion.

I'm pro marijuana, I wouldn't smoke it myself, but people should have the CHOICE to, if they want

Overheal · 23-05-2018 06:13AM

pleas advice wrote: »

Pro choice for abortion. Ergo, pro abortion.

I'm pro marijuana, I wouldn't smoke it myself, but people should have the CHOICE to, if they want

And pro rape baby. You wouldn’t rape someone yourself but people should have to raise the child resulting from one right? /s

I hope you see the futility of playing this labels game. The Yes side is better at it.

Overheal · 23-05-2018 06:15AM

Python Desk wrote: »

That's because you're used to dealing with bullsh1tters on bithe the yes and no side, neither of which have the balls to admit their preference is to allow one atrocity to save another atrocity.

Why assume that?

Abortion sucks. So do the alternatives. Let women choose which ones they will face and how.

There you go.

cournioni · 23-05-2018 06:16AM

pleas advice wrote: »

Pro choice for abortion. Ergo, pro abortion.

I'm pro marijuana, I wouldn't smoke it myself, but people should have the CHOICE to, if they want

Awful comparison. Smoking marijuana won’t affect somebody else’s life.

Overheal · 23-05-2018 06:17AM

cournioni wrote: »

Awful comparison. Smoking marijuana won’t affect somebody else’s life.

Especially if you eat it and you’re not pregnant :pac:

Cabaal · 23-05-2018 06:20AM

You know what I find interesting,

Youth Defence has existed in Ireland for years, it is the largest pro-life organisation in Ireland...but yet it hasn't campaigned for a no vote in this ref, they have no posters at all (are they seen as too toxic???)

Anyway, their Facebook page has existed for years and years and it has 82k likes,
By comparison, the In her shoes - women of the eighth Facebook page has existed for around 7 months, it has 101k likes.

That's seriously impressive and it really shows the momentum behind the yes campaign and the reach they've gotten in just a few months,

pleas advice · 23-05-2018 06:22AM

cournioni wrote: »

Awful comparison. Smoking marijuana won’t affect somebody else’s life.

Yes, I agree it's nothing like killing a fetus

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-05-2018 06:24AM

pleas advice wrote: »

Pro choice for abortion. Ergo, pro abortion.

I'm pro marijuana, I wouldn't smoke it myself, but people should have the CHOICE to, if they want

Ah would ya ever stop with that sh/te talk ffs! I am pro choice, I have 2 daughters in thier 20's. If one if them told me she was pregnant and wanted to have an abortion I would not bebhappy about it but I would understand that this was her CHOICE

See that big bolded word? That's what this is about for me, not pro abortion, not pro murder but pro CHOICE!

Cabaal · 23-05-2018 06:24AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Love Both

Waterford Minister John Halligan says he was prohibited from acting as a sponsor for his godson’s confirmation at the weekend, due to his views on abortion. He says his godson’s parents contacted him, saying they had been told by a member of the clergy that he could not stand as sponsor at yesterday’s ceremony, by order of Bishop Alphonsus Cullinan.

http://www.wlrfm.com/2018/05/21/waterford-minister-john-halligan-criticises-petty-confirmation-mass-ban-ahead-of-8th-referendum/

The bishop is acting like a child with this action, yes its in the rules but the catholic church never enforced them in the VAST MAJORITY of cases.

The bishop is just trying to make a point....but its going to back fire on him

Most people in this country don't care about the religion side of communions, they just want their kid to have a nice day with the family.

Ave Sodalis · 23-05-2018 06:26AM

Cantona's Collars wrote:

"Women have abortions because they are selfish". That's some seriously messed up thinking especially when he said his sister in law who's a doctor originally came out with that statement.

This is the same man who, when interviewed about the sign, said that there were lots of young men there to support putting the sign on Benbulben, and lads of all ages.... and there were a few women there too making tea and sandwiches....

Overheal · 23-05-2018 06:28AM

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

This is the same man who, when interviewed about the sign, said that there were lots of young men there to support putting the sign on Benbulben, and lads of all ages.... and there were a few women there too making tea and sandwiches....

Did they take that down?

pleas advice · 23-05-2018 06:29AM

Hellrazer wrote: »

I said being pro choice does not make me pro abortion or even "pro allowing abortion"
...

it obviously does though

if she chooses a termination then she should as a citizen of this country be allowed to seek that medical procedure .

Overheal wrote: »

I hope you see the futility of playing this labels game. The Yes side is better at it.

Im not throwing labels at anyone, if you look at where I came into the conversation...

BarleySweets · 23-05-2018 06:30AM

Python Desk wrote: »

That's because you're used to dealing with bullsh1tters on bithe the yes and no side, neither of which have the balls to admit their preference is to allow one atrocity to save another atrocity.

Atrocity? Please. Get your head out of the sand.

Literally only modern day Catholics and their money-hungry modern day Protestant buddies believe life begins at conception. It’s such an easy topic for them to use to encourage donations that I don’t blame them banging the begging bowl nonstop. But it is absolutely pathetic rhetoric.

Every other major religion considers early term abortion as perfectly fine. Muslims believe a fetus becomes human after ensoulment at 120 days after conception, or 40 days if you’re of the strictest Muslim persuasions. Catholics, until they changed their minds in the 1860s, believed a fetus became human even later at ~160 days. Hindus, Buddhists, Judaism, all accept early term abortions as perfectly acceptable too.

erica74 · 23-05-2018 06:30AM

pleas advice wrote: »

Pro choice for abortion. Ergo, pro abortion.

I'm pro marijuana, I wouldn't smoke it myself, but people should have the CHOICE to, if they want

No, prochoice for every woman to do what she chooses. I support every woman who chooses an abortion and every woman who chooses to have a baby and every woman who chooses to put her child into foster care and every woman who chooses whatever is right for her.

Why is choice so hard for you to grasp?

Overheal · 23-05-2018 06:32AM

pleas advice wrote: »

it obviously does though

Im not throwing labels at anyone, if you look at where I came into the conversation...

Don’t care to pretend to know where you came in at, but I just saw you throwing around the pro-abort label at someone, so I’m just going to throw the bull**** label at that excuse here.

nullzero · 23-05-2018 06:34AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Love Both

Waterford Minister John Halligan says he was prohibited from acting as a sponsor for his godson’s confirmation at the weekend, due to his views on abortion. He says his godson’s parents contacted him, saying they had been told by a member of the clergy that he could not stand as sponsor at yesterday’s ceremony, by order of Bishop Alphonsus Cullinan.

http://www.wlrfm.com/2018/05/21/waterford-minister-john-halligan-criticises-petty-confirmation-mass-ban-ahead-of-8th-referendum/

If he's a known atheist and taking a stance that contradicts the catholic churches stance on the referendum and he's a public figure, why is he looking to be involved in a catholic ceremony in a church owned by the catholic church?

What did he expect them to do?

This is laughable in every way.

nullzero · 23-05-2018 06:36AM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Loser talk.

Sensational stuff from you, can I sign up to receive your newsletter?

Ave Sodalis · 23-05-2018 06:37AM

Overheal wrote:

Did they take that down?

Yeah, Sligo CC dealt with it, as far as I know

erica74 · 23-05-2018 06:38AM

pleas advice wrote: »

Yes, I agree it's nothing like killing a fetus

Then why bring it up?

The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

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