The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

Hotblack Desiato · 22-05-2018 06:04PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Over 1k doctors voting yes. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/abortion-over-1-000-doctors-call-for-yes-vote-in-referendum-1.3493355

20,473 doctors(2015 figures, they have gone up since) registered in Ireland. https://www.imt.ie/news/highest-number-of-doctors-registered-by-imc-14-03-2016/

I’m not voting No, but it’s good to do a fact check.

The number of doctors which have declared for Yes far outnumbers the ones declared for No.

Nettle Soup · 22-05-2018 06:05PM

Off topic but I recently learned of this couple that are both atheist but decided to baptise their 1st baby for family/school reasons. They were uncomfortable about it but they went to the priest to explain their case. They essentially said they were not Catholic and would never go to mass but still wanted their child baptised. To their surprise the priest said that he would have no problem doing so as long as the parents promised to live their lives in the ethos of Jesus i.e. be good, love your neighbour, turn the other cheek etc etc. They agreed and it was done deal.

Basically Rome just wants numbers to report at this point.

ohnonotgmail · 22-05-2018 06:06PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Over 1k doctors voting yes. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/abortion-over-1-000-doctors-call-for-yes-vote-in-referendum-1.3493355

20,473 doctors(2015 figures, they have gone up since) registered in Ireland. https://www.imt.ie/news/highest-number-of-doctors-registered-by-imc-14-03-2016/

I’m not voting No, but it’s good to do a fact check.

and how many are voting No?

erica74 · 22-05-2018 06:06PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Over 1k doctors voting yes. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/abortion-over-1-000-doctors-call-for-yes-vote-in-referendum-1.3493355

20,473 doctors(2015 figures, they have gone up since) registered in Ireland. https://www.imt.ie/news/highest-number-of-doctors-registered-by-imc-14-03-2016/

I’m not voting No, but it’s good to do a fact check.

I don't doubt that out of the 20,473 registered doctors, many will be voting no but that article just mentions 1,000 doctors signing a public declaration, that doesn't necessarily mean that only 1,000 will be voting yes.

freshpopcorn · 22-05-2018 06:07PM

gmisk wrote: »

I'm not sure tbh he wouldn't be my first choice.
Professor Mary Higgins though is terrifically knowledgeable so hopefully she is given a chance to talk.

In fairness she is a consultant Obstetrician/ Gynaecologist. With a Sub-specialty in Maternal Fetal Medicine

Yes, I'd question Simon. There is one thing the No side could throw at him that might sway undecided to No. If all the undecided exists. I do know some people and they are unsure.

gandalf · 22-05-2018 06:12PM

Apparently the anti's have slapped a no up at the Hell Fire Club.....

gmisk · 22-05-2018 06:16PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Yes, I'd question Simon. There is one thing the No side could throw at him that might sway undecided to No. If all the undecided exists. I do know some people and they are unsure.

Ah sure we will see i suppose, I might tape it rather than watching live.

I would have loved professor Louise Kenny but maybe two professors would have been over kill

seenitall · 22-05-2018 06:18PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Or horse riding... Or driving a motorbike on a typical Irish road. Not much fun for heterosexual men if heterosexual women all decide that pregnancy is too much of a risk so it's Harley Davidson down the M25 from now on.

The point being that for a woman sexual pleasure is not linked to human reproduction.

*Woman on a bicycle approaching a man*
Man: "Do you always come this way?"
Woman: "Yes! It's the cobblestones..."

DarkScar · 22-05-2018 06:19PM

....... wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Thick people don't understand that people cannot be permitted to choose which laws apply to them.
Others should have to live by the prevailing consensus on what is legal.

DarkScar · 22-05-2018 06:23PM

erica74 wrote: »

I don't doubt that out of the 20,473 registered doctors, many will be voting no but that article just mentions 1,000 doctors signing a public declaration, that doesn't necessarily mean that only 1,000 will be voting yes.

Or indeed that even one over 1,000 is voting yes.
Besides, there's nothing about being a doctor that confers added moral weight to an opinion on when a foetus attains personhood. Did you abstain from the referendum on presidential age because you don't have a PhD in gerontology?

bruschi · 22-05-2018 06:28PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Ah Cora was great yesterday on Matt Cooper. She admitted that she would force a raped 14 year old carry the foetus to term if she could.

That is a lie, she absolutely did not say a 14 year old rape victim should carry a pregnancy to term.

She said a 12 year old should...

ohnonotgmail · 22-05-2018 06:31PM

DarkScar wrote: »

Or indeed that even one over 1,000 is voting yes.
Besides, there's nothing about being a doctor that confers added moral weight to an opinion on when a foetus attains personhood. Did you abstain from the referendum on presidential age because you don't have a PhD in gerontology?

when it comes to assessing the impact of the 8th on womens healthcare they are in a much stronger position than you to give an informed opinion.

ohnonotgmail · 22-05-2018 06:32PM

DarkScar wrote: »

Thick people don't understand that people cannot be permitted to choose which laws apply to them.
Others should have to live by the prevailing consensus on what is legal.

well done on stating the obvious.

Larbre34 · 22-05-2018 06:34PM

They should let Stepford Steen on PT

They should let her on and explain why the 'No' side have gone down this road of asking folk to vote no so that an alternative can be considered to deal with the hard cases. The notion they would not entertain in any circumstances for 35 years

(by coincidence i see Leo roasting them for it on the News +1)

Yes needs to go after them big style on this tonight

DarkScar · 22-05-2018 06:34PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

when it comes to assessing the impact of the 8th on womens healthcare they are in a much stronger position than you to give an informed opinion.

It's a handy one to claim if you haven't a notion how to diagnose sepsis or if your ethical board doesn't have the first clue about widely accepted case law two decades old.

DarkScar · 22-05-2018 06:35PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well done on stating the obvious.

Wasn't obvious enough for the person I was responding to which you appear to be oblivious to.

ohnonotgmail · 22-05-2018 06:37PM

DarkScar wrote: »

It's a handy one to claim if you haven't a notion how to diagnose sepsis or if your ethical board doesn't have the first clue about widely accepted case law two decades old.

are you still trying to say that Savita didnt die because of the 8th? that ship has sailed.

ohnonotgmail · 22-05-2018 06:38PM

DarkScar wrote: »

Wasn't obvious enough for the person I was responding to which you appear to be oblivious to.

your reply didnt address their post at all.

NuMarvel · 22-05-2018 06:38PM

Good catch by this reporter.

https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/998982342684364802

Cora has spent weeks calling on Harris for a debate, and now, hours before that debate is due to air, she gets cold feet.

DarkScar · 22-05-2018 06:38PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

are you still trying to say that Savita didnt die because of the 8th? that ship has sailed.

You convinced yourself of that? Fascinating. Any interest in the facts?

DarkScar · 22-05-2018 06:39PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

your reply didnt address their post at all.

You're unintelligible. Did you respond to me randomly?

ohnonotgmail · 22-05-2018 06:40PM

DarkScar wrote: »

You convinced yourself of that? Fascinating. Any interest in the facts?

I'm interested in facts. as was the professor who chaired the enquiry. Presumably you know better than he does.

Itssoeasy · 22-05-2018 06:46PM

I don't know the name of the poster but they referred to pro choice zealots and abortion up to nine months. And said that it would be unrestricted abortion.

A few points that no the draft legislation doesn't allow for abortion up to 9 months. It states that once a baby in the womb has reached viability it would be delivered like any other baby(albeit premature)

It's also abortion up to 12 weeks with a restriction as to reason. The woman therefore doesn't need to state a reason as why she wants an abortion. A reason will be needed after that. Those reasons are set out in the draft bill.

I just felt the need to clarify what is proposed IF the 8th amendment is repealed on Friday. The bill is a draft and may look very different by the end.

DarkScar · 22-05-2018 06:47PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I'm interested in facts. as was the professor who chaired the enquiry. Presumably you know better than he does.

A lot more than you appear to that's for damned sure.
The report said they didn't use the accepted practice, which was termination as laid down in case law precedent a full two decades earlier.

NIMAN · 22-05-2018 06:48PM

I'll be glad to see tomorrow and all the radio and TV debates over....listened to another today on The Last Word, with couple of GPs, and jez, its hard to listen to people shouting each other out and talking over each other.

NuMarvel · 22-05-2018 06:48PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

are you still trying to say that Savita didnt die because of the 8th? that ship has sailed.

It's not only sailed, it's circumnavigated the globe, has pulled back into dock, and the crew are incredulous that people are still trying to ignore what doctors and professors have said.

Overheal · 22-05-2018 06:48PM

DarkScar wrote: »

A lot more than you appear to that's for damned sure.
The report said they didn't use the accepted practice, which was termination as laid down in case law precedent a full two decades earlier.

And what did the people who wrote this biblical report go on to publicly state?

DarkScar · 22-05-2018 06:52PM

Overheal wrote: »

And what did the people who wrote this biblical report go on to publicly state?

I'm sure they've said a lot of things that aren't in the report. Aw, don't want to talk about the actual report all of a sudden?
What does the report say? You have read it, right?

DarkScar · 22-05-2018 06:54PM

NuMarvel wrote: »

It's not only sailed, it's circumnavigated the globe, has pulled back into dock, and the crew are incredulous that people are still trying to ignore what doctors and professors have said.

Which part of the report blamed the 8th? Be specific.
This is a report that says relatives of the family made a better diagnosis than the consultants in charge of Savita. Open and shut malpractice case.

Ave Sodalis · 22-05-2018 06:55PM

DarkScar wrote:

Which part of the report blamed the 8th? Be specific. This is a report that says relatives of the family made a better diagnosis than the consultants in charge of Savita. Open and shut malpractice case.

No. Just no. Read the report.

The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

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