Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

awec · 07-03-2018 07:55PM

I agree but Copeland is a dud IMO.

launish116 · 07-03-2018 08:01PM

We could do worse for squad depth though

prawnsambo · 07-03-2018 08:17PM

awec wrote: »

I'd rather just give game time to some academy lad than sign a 30 year old dud, who we are only considering purely because he's Irish qualified.

What academy lad? Aren't Ulster already playing every one of them that can hold a ball and run in the right direction?

The Black Stags · 07-03-2018 09:06PM

Here's the Ulster academy backrow players.
Nick Timoney - Leinster 17Caps
Marcus Rea - Ulster
Greg Jones - Leinster 4Caps
Aaron Hall - ??? 1Cap
Joe Dunleavy - ???
Matthew Dalton - ??? 1Cap
http://ulsterrugby.com/team/academy-squad.php#.WqBSsOdpFjT

The Lost Sheep · 07-03-2018 09:10PM

The Black Stags wrote: »

Here's the Ulster academy backrow players.
Nick Timoney - Leinster 17Caps
Marcus Rea - Ulster
Greg Jones - Leinster 4Caps
Aaron Hall - ??? 1Cap
Joe Dunleavy - ???
Matthew Dalton - ??? 1Cap
http://ulsterrugby.com/team/academy-squad.php#.WqBSsOdpFjT

Aaron Hall and Joe Dunleavy both have came through youths system in Ulster
Dunleavy is Letterkenny RFC and Hall Ballyclare RFC.
Dalton came through Belfast Royal Academy

bilston · 07-03-2018 09:16PM

The Black Stags wrote: »

Here's the Ulster academy backrow players.
Nick Timoney - Leinster 17Caps
Marcus Rea - Ulster
Greg Jones - Leinster 4Caps
Aaron Hall - ??? 1Cap
Joe Dunleavy - ???
Matthew Dalton - ??? 1Cap
http://ulsterrugby.com/team/academy-squad.php#.WqBSsOdpFjT

Dalton must be on 4 or 5 caps by now.

What about Agnew? He seems to be doing ok for the U20s. Not sure if he is in the Academy?

bilston · 07-03-2018 09:27PM

9 Ulster players (inc. 7 starters) in the U20s side this weekend.

launish116 · 07-03-2018 09:43PM

bilston wrote: »

9 Ulster players (inc. 7 starters) in the U20s side this weekend.

Ye hoping Dunleavy has a good game, haven’t seen him play yet! Can’t say I’ve seen much from Hall to warrant the hype.

Jones and dalton, hoping they push on next season.

bilston · 07-03-2018 09:47PM

launish116 wrote: »

bilston wrote: »

9 Ulster players (inc. 7 starters) in the U20s side this weekend.

Ye hoping Dunleavy has a good game, haven’t seen him play yet! Can’t say I’ve seen much from Hall to warrant the hype.

Jones and dalton, hoping they push on next season.

Ah you see this frustrates me a bit launish (and this isn't aimed at you personally) but I hate it when we rule out 19 year old kids on the basis of one game. Has he not been injured since he played in that game a few months ago? Maybe you've seen him in other games that I haven't but I'd far rather we give him a chance, even if it means he doesnt play for the seniors for another year

launish116 · 07-03-2018 09:53PM

Not taken personally! maybe I am being harsh considering his age. Just thought the other two had more impact/stand out about them. Missing an open side that can actually jackal!

You’ve probably hit the nail on the head though, we’re that desperate and sickened with our pack we’re expecting more from any academy forwards than we should at their age and experience!

bilston · 07-03-2018 10:07PM

launish116 wrote: »

Not taken personally! maybe I am being harsh considering his age. Just thought the other two had more impact/stand out about them. Missing an open side that can actually jackal!

You’ve probably hit the nail on the head though, we’re that desperate and sickened with our pack we’re expecting more from any academy forwards than we should at their age and experience!

There was a game against one of the Italian sides where our back row was Timoney, Jones and Hall and I think we won the match, but it's crazy to expect these guys to dominating games on their own. Whatever about our recruitment for next season, we really really need Coetzee to get fit and to give us a full season. A fit Coetzee and Jordi Murphy would transform our back row. You could throw one of the young lads in with those guys, and it would speed their development massively.

Of all our young forwards that I've seen so far Dalton is the one I have most hope for.

mogwai81 · 07-03-2018 10:24PM

bilston wrote: »

There was a game against one of the Italian sides where our back row was Timoney, Jones and Hall and I think we won the match, but it's crazy to expect these guys to dominating games on their own. Whatever about our recruitment for next season, we really really need Coetzee to get fit and to give us a full season. A fit Coetzee and Jordi Murphy would transform our back row. You could throw one of the young lads in with those guys, and it would speed their development massively.

Of all our young forwards that I've seen so far Dalton is the one I have most hope for.

Is Dalton more of a flanker or a lock? I'm not expecting miracles but I'm also looking forward to seeing Dunleavy on Friday, heard good things about him.

Dubinusa · 07-03-2018 11:46PM

Greg Jones was brilliant in the rwc a couple of years ago. I couldn't believe Leinster let him go. Timoney and rea also look like quality players considering their age. Agnew is listed as 6ft on the irfu website. There at lesst seems to be a light down amongst the gloom.

Dubinusa · 07-03-2018 11:47PM

On a side note, whatever became of frank taggert?

Scythica · 08-03-2018 07:18AM

Looks like Kiss (and Kidney) are off to London Irish

stephen_n · 08-03-2018 07:54AM

Scythica wrote: »

Looks like Kiss (and Kidney) are off to London Irish

Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

bilston · 08-03-2018 08:00AM

Fair play at least they are getting new gigs.

Won't be easy though

$ausage$ · 08-03-2018 08:07AM

bilston wrote: »

The Black Stags wrote: »

Here's the Ulster academy backrow players.
Nick Timoney - Leinster 17Caps
Marcus Rea - Ulster
Greg Jones - Leinster 4Caps
Aaron Hall - ??? 1Cap
Joe Dunleavy - ???
Matthew Dalton - ??? 1Cap
http://ulsterrugby.com/team/academy-squad.php#.WqBSsOdpFjT

Dalton must be on 4 or 5 caps by now.

What about Agnew? He seems to be doing ok for the U20s. Not sure if he is in the Academy?

They also have Caleb Montgomery from Portadown think he is on a development deal but gets plenty of A time, not sure with all the injuries why he is not getting a looking. Think he can play 4-8 as well.

irishfan9 · 08-03-2018 08:48AM

$ausage$ wrote: »

They also have Caleb Montgomery from Portadown think he is on a development deal but gets plenty of A time, not sure with all the injuries why he is not getting a looking. Think he can play 4-8 as well.

think he has been injured himself.

launish116 · 08-03-2018 09:13AM

From the limited i’ve Saw of Dalton and Caleb Montgomery (only pre season) they both seemed to have a bit of dog in them.

Dalton was starting U20 as a flanker I think, but definitely more a 2nd row. Scary to think he’s so young still!

Hoping Jones can push on this season also.

Really hope Dunleavy has a good U2O’s game.

irishfan9 · 08-03-2018 09:15AM

Interesting that both starting openside flankers for Ulster u18 and u19 started at 13 for their schools this week.

$ausage$ · 08-03-2018 09:18AM

I have been thinking about this now for some time.
What I would like to see coaching wise is Faloon forwards coach Soper backs/skills even kicking coach & Payne staying on as defence coach if he cant play with a DoR with experience. I am sure Soper would be able to step up to be the leader of the group but have the international experience above him which we wont find here unfortunately.

As to who the DoR could be I don't know. I am sure we all agree now Logan is not going anywhere as long as the money side of the business is working and why should he. Hopefully he just staying away from doing speeches to players.
The one thing I REALLY want is it to be sorted the first few weeks after the season ends to give whoever it is the change to get in and organised for preseason

bilston · 08-03-2018 10:45AM

$ausage$ wrote: »

I have been thinking about this now for some time.
What I would like to see coaching wise is Faloon forwards coach Soper backs/skills even kicking coach & Payne staying on as defence coach if he cant play with a DoR with experience. I am sure Soper would be able to step up to be the leader of the group but have the international experience above him which we wont find here unfortunately.

As to who the DoR could be I don't know. I am sure we all agree now Logan is not going anywhere as long as the money side of the business is working and why should he. Hopefully he just staying away from doing speeches to players.
The one thing I REALLY want is it to be sorted the first few weeks after the season ends to give whoever it is the change to get in and organised for preseason

I hope it is sorted even before then.

The only thing about the coaching ticket you suggest is that it's seriously lacking in experience. I'm not against it but you'd want an experienced DoR or Head Coach. I wonder if Jonny Bell would be interested in a return in some capacity.

Hands Like Flippers · 08-03-2018 03:40PM

What happened to Conor Joyce who I understand came into the Ulster u20 bumping off the guy who had the shirt and now he is gone again?

On the 7's starting at 13 MCB pack looked light (surprisingly). He might have been better at 7. CCB 13 was fine as their pack is v good.

irishfan9 · 08-03-2018 03:42PM

Hands Like Flippers wrote: »

What happened to Conor Joyce who I understand came into the Ulster u20 bumping off the guy who had the shirt and now he is gone again?

On the 7's starting at 13 MCB pack looked light (surprisingly). He might have been better at 7. CCB 13 was fine as their pack is v good.

Joyce was released by Ulster after a few years.

awec · 08-03-2018 03:54PM

Joyce didn’t have the physicality or strength for the pro game.

irishfan9 · 08-03-2018 03:57PM

awec wrote: »

Joyce didn’t have the physicality or strength for the pro game.

or the athleticism.

awec · 08-03-2018 04:15PM

I think it was the infamous Edinburgh away game last season that sealed Joyce’s fate.

bilston · 08-03-2018 04:31PM

awec wrote: »

I think it was the infamous Edinburgh away game last season that sealed Joyce’s fate.

Which infamous Edinburgh away game was that? There have been a few!

Dog Botherer · 08-03-2018 04:45PM

bilston wrote: »

Which infamous Edinburgh away game was that? There have been a few!

The one last season.

Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

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