Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

bilston · 01-03-2018 08:29AM

irishfan9 wrote: »

Ardillaun wrote: »

What happened to McCloskey? He seemed like the coming man for Ulster and Ireland a while back.

One dimensional bosher who can only play 12 and continues to make the same mistakes

But he can offload, pass and kick. He did all of that early in his career, he has become relatively one dimensional.

Your general post is overly harsh though, certainly for Ulster he is still pretty effective in a team lacking ball carriers. For his own personal development if he did a Farrell and went elsewhere he'd probably become a better all round player. Sadly you could probably say that about a few Ulster players.

stephen_n · 01-03-2018 10:07AM

From watching him, I don’t think his attack was ever an issue. The one dimension thing wouldn’t overly bother Joe, as it’s a dimension he likes. I think McCloskeys defence has always been the issue holding him back with Ireland.

jacothelad · 01-03-2018 02:17PM

mfceiling wrote: »

Continually gets over the gain line taking at least 2 defenders to stop him. Great at getting his hands free in a tackle to give the ball on. Good at holding an opposition player upright in a choke tackle.
Along with Ludik he's been one of Ulster's most consistent performers this season.
What's the same mistakes he continually makes?

Wearing the wrong shirt in this case.

awec · 02-03-2018 09:43AM

Gibbes leaving at the end of the season. Going back to NZ.

02-03-2018 09:49AM

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bf0N8HMBmM1/

irishbucsfan · 02-03-2018 10:05AM

https://twitter.com/CianTracey1/status/969509776500674560

awec · 02-03-2018 10:11AM

Yea I imagine both of them will be having real regrets now.

mfceiling · 02-03-2018 10:31AM

"For family reasons"

Wife..."cop the fcuk on jono and let's get out of here"

02-03-2018 10:33AM

Not sure how to look at this. Forwards are no better now than when he arrived. Maybe Kiss was limiting him. He clearly didn't want the top spot, I'm not sure why Ulster made him interim head coach if it's what has prompted his decision to leave. Maybe he had had enough anyway.

The club is just in an absolute and utter shambles and this latest development is going to make it difficult to get in a credible, experienced replacement.

All the ingredients are still there for a top European club, but it's being managed into the ground.

Clegg · 02-03-2018 10:36AM

I'm feeling a bit more sympathy for Les Kiss now as well. You could've brought in Schmidt two years again he wouldn't have been able to stop this decline. Something has gone very wrong at Ulster.

prawnsambo · 02-03-2018 10:38AM

Strong words from Murray Kinsella. Not wrong though.

launish116 · 02-03-2018 10:45AM

Ulster rugby really are an embarrassment! what coach would come near them now?

Former Former · 02-03-2018 10:57AM

They have no senior players of note to provide on field leadership.

Best is a great player but he's a rubbish captain.

If I was a coach, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

errlloyd · 02-03-2018 11:00AM

Jim Mallinder linked with Cardif but nothing confirmed? Get in Guy Noves? Danny Wilson obviously out of contract with Cardif.

swiwi_ · 02-03-2018 11:40AM

I know it's a radical idea...but what about an Irishman coaching an Irish province? Leo Cullen is like the exception to the rule in Irish rugby.

Edit: or Irishwoman...

FACECUTTR · 02-03-2018 11:45AM

swiwi_ wrote: »

I know it's a radical idea...but what about an Irishman coaching an Irish province? Leo Cullen is like the exception to the rule in Irish rugby.

Edit: or Irishwoman...

Eddie is only down the road....

durthacht · 02-03-2018 11:46AM

swiwi_ wrote: »

I know it's a radical idea...but what about an Irishman coaching an Irish province? Leo Cullen is like the exception to the rule in Irish rugby.

Edit: or Irishwoman...

In fairness Ulster have hired a lot of Irish coaches in recent years. Then panicked and fired them just as quickly. I don't know why any sensible coach would want to go there, and I feel sorry for Jordi Murphy.

That place is a shambles.

Larbre34 · 02-03-2018 11:52AM

Ye need Mark McCall, its him or bust.

He has another year with Sarries, but he has done it all with them and its on the natural cycle down.

Call McIlroy to get out the chequebook, then call McCall. The Equalizer.

The Lost Sheep · 02-03-2018 11:52AM

swiwi_ wrote: »

I know it's a radical idea...but what about an Irishman coaching an Irish province? Leo Cullen is like the exception to the rule in Irish rugby.

Edit: or Irishwoman...

Well you need coaches with the experience of coaching at a high level, head coach experience, and who wants to coach in Ireland.

irishbucsfan · 02-03-2018 11:57AM

Mark McCall is not going to happen

02-03-2018 12:26PM

The list of things that have gone arseways for Ulster rugby this season is absolutely remarkable. It's the season from hell. I guess on the upside things may only get better from here?

hogandrew · 02-03-2018 12:27PM

Mike Ruddock might not be a bad shout?

MJohnston · 02-03-2018 12:40PM

What Ulster actually needs is to be rejected by every experienced manager name there is, all on the grounds of the structure of the club. The club needs to miss out on Europe, season ticket sales need to fall through the floor. The thing is ****ed at the top, and they're all just waffling about "review of coaching structure" when, as Kinsella says, it needs to go much wider than that. It's very difficult to get the suits to blame themselves when everything business is going right, but when profits go down and they're getting embarrassed in the media, maybe we'll actually get some substantial change.

bilston · 02-03-2018 12:43PM

Former Former wrote: »

They have no senior players of note to provide on field leadership.

Best is a great player but he's a rubbish captain.

If I was a coach, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

Why is Best a rubbish captain? How do you know? Have you just outed yourself as a player? Or are you just guessing?

Other than that I actually agree with the rest of your post...

bilston · 02-03-2018 12:44PM

Ulster is a bit of a mess alright.

However Gibbes moving on may be the right thing as it means whoever ultimately replaces Kiss can appoint his own team and not be stick with someone else's coaching team.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 02-03-2018 01:25PM

bilston wrote: »

Why is Best a rubbish captain? How do you know? Have you just outed yourself as a player? Or are you just guessing?

Other than that I actually agree with the rest of your post...

It's a personal opinion that many people share. If the captain is a regular international he needs to be covered by the leadership group which includes senior players able to provide leadership when internationals are on. It's not bad captains but bad leadership group.

I dont think Ulster have this. Henderson and Herring appear to be the clubs vice captains at the moment. Neither have struck me as leaders.

MJohnston · 02-03-2018 01:42PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

It's a personal opinion that many people share. If the captain is a regular international he needs to be covered by the leadership group which includes senior players able to provide leadership when internationals are on. It's not bad captains but bad leadership group.

I dont think Ulster have this. Henderson and Herring appear to be the clubs vice captains at the moment. Neither have struck me as leaders.

Even if they are leaders, they're likely to be picked for international duties at the same time as Best, so it seems rather silly to not have a non-international backup.

I'm rapidly running out of love for Ulster as a club, it's provided some great memories, but the structural issues are killing it imo. There's also a potential landmine coming up later this year that we can't really discuss, but I'll just say that the wrong move by the club there would make me quit supporting.

Scythica · 02-03-2018 01:49PM

Someone like McLaughlin in. Get someone to clear out the rot (god knows how but it'll be a brave man to step up to do it... maybe direct IRFU involvement?

Come out and lower expectations, invest in the local talent a bit more, only get marquees who are definite proven starters.

What'll probably happen is get Ruan or Fez in to sell a few season tickets... maybe after Brexit Lancaster will have to move north

bilston · 02-03-2018 02:57PM

MJohnston wrote: »

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

It's a personal opinion that many people share. If the captain is a regular international he needs to be covered by the leadership group which includes senior players able to provide leadership when internationals are on. It's not bad captains but bad leadership group.

I dont think Ulster have this. Henderson and Herring appear to be the clubs vice captains at the moment. Neither have struck me as leaders.

Even if they are leaders, they're likely to be picked for international duties at the same time as Best, so it seems rather silly to not have a non-international backup.

I'm rapidly running out of love for Ulster as a club, it's provided some great memories, but the structural issues are killing it imo. There's also a potential landmine coming up later this year that we can't really discuss, but I'll just say that the wrong move by the club there would make me quit supporting.

The wrong move there would have me questioning my support for Ulster as well (under the current leadership), but the problem is your view and my view could be completely at odds with each other (or conpletely in agreement) and therein lies the problem facing Ulster.

MJohnston · 02-03-2018 03:05PM

bilston wrote: »

The wrong move there would have me questioning my support for Ulster as well (under the current leadership), but the problem is your view and my view could be completely at odds with each other (or conpletely in agreement) and therein lies the problem facing Ulster.

I agree, although if they want to continue being a family-friendly club, there's really only one direction to go in. Ultimately, I don't think they'll actually need to make a decision.

Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

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