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DCM 2017 Graduates: Onwards and upwards!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Ya I had worked it out around 1,5% last night after I did it. Ah well treat it as 200 meter repeats! Ya live, ya learn.

    Oh you learn for sure...I learnt that after a couple of sessions a week I'll be very glad of the very easy paced runs that people (me included initially) thought were too slow. The hill I did averaged out near 6% but Strava makes it 8% at the steepest point. It was challenging enough! :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    I also did the hill session yesterday but I don't think the gradient was 5%.

    Does anyone know anywhere good near Raheny for these sessions?

    Fairview back towards coolock is a descent incline .

    I've seen the local club running hill repeats on the hill up from the coast to the playground in st annes Park. If my memory serves me right In the 2015 graduate thread the mentors said that one was suitable for the shorter hill repeats .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭ariana`


    I've been toying with the idea of starting one of the different graduate plans, however i've come to the conclusion that i can't commit to more than 3 runs a week at the moment and for the foreseeable future until my knee is sorted out (it's still niggling on/off during runs). So what I'm thinking is the following with a view to racing the various distances (10k/10m/HM) in the first half of 2018.

    Mon: S&C Gym
    Tues: 5m (1hr) very easy pace
    Wed: S&C Gym
    Thurs: Track session - whatever is prescribed by the coach
    Fri: REST
    Sat: LSR (building from 8 to 16 miles) + shorter S&C session @ home.
    Sun: REST

    I'll make a decision next April-ish with regards to DCM 2018 but it will very much depend on the condition of my knee and i think that is very dependent on the S&C work over the next few months. Does this sound reasonable? It will probably amount to 20-25 mpw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    ariana` wrote:
    I'll make a decision next April-ish with regards to DCM 2018 but it will very much depend on the condition of my knee and i think that is very dependent on the S&C work over the next few months. Does this sound reasonable? It will probably amount to 20-25 mpw.

    Looks very reasonable. If I was running three days a week those are probably the three runs I'd want to be doing. One long, one session and one easy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    ariana` wrote: »
    I've been toying with the idea of starting one of the different graduate plans, however i've come to the conclusion that i can't commit to more than 3 runs a week at the moment and for the foreseeable future until my knee is sorted out (it's still niggling on/off during runs). So what I'm thinking is the following with a view to racing the various distances (10k/10m/HM) in the first half of 2018.

    Mon: S&C Gym
    Tues: 5m (1hr) very easy pace
    Wed: S&C Gym
    Thurs: Track session - whatever is prescribed by the coach
    Fri: REST
    Sat: LSR (building from 8 to 16 miles) + shorter S&C session @ home.
    Sun: REST

    I'll make a decision next April-ish with regards to DCM 2018 but it will very much depend on the condition of my knee and i think that is very dependent on the S&C work over the next few months. Does this sound reasonable? It will probably amount to 20-25 mpw.

    Seems to make sense to me. What are you going to do about the knee? Are you going back to Physio?


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,492 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    One of the things with the graduates plan is a shift from running a routine distance to blocks of time. It might confuse your fellow runners if you say you've no mileage in mind as you now run by time. :p I find going by time enjoyable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭ariana`


    Kellygirl wrote: »
    Seems to make sense to me. What are you going to do about the knee? Are you going back to Physio?
    I'll see how it goes. If it gets to the stage every run hurts I will but for now I'm hoping the s&c will help and it's only intermittent niggles. I don't have any spare cash with Christmas to be honest :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    One of the things with the graduates plan is a shift from running a routine distance to blocks of time. It might confuse your fellow runners if you say you've no mileage in mind as you now run by time. :p I find going by time enjoyable.

    Obviously only on my first week but I'm enjoying it too. All I see on the watch is the time countdown and I listen for beeps to tell me if I'm too fast or slow. It's enjoyable just trundling along knowing the sessions are where the pain is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    Back Carb Loading again - decided I’m going to go for the full in Clon. Just finished creating a paceband for 4:30 to keep me in check and will go slower if needs be. Just doing it for pure enjoyment and fun. Found two friends to run it with too. We are starting with the early group at 8am.

    Trying to decide what to wear. Weather looking good - 6 degrees, no rain and little wind but it’s very exposed and along the coast and high points. Normally for 6 degrees I would just wear a long sleeved top but wondering if I need gloves and a neck buff. Any thoughts? Wearing full length leggings.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭El Caballo


    ariana` wrote: »
    I've been toying with the idea of starting one of the different graduate plans, however i've come to the conclusion that i can't commit to more than 3 runs a week at the moment and for the foreseeable future until my knee is sorted out (it's still niggling on/off during runs). So what I'm thinking is the following with a view to racing the various distances (10k/10m/HM) in the first half of 2018.

    Mon: S&C Gym
    Tues: 5m (1hr) very easy pace
    Wed: S&C Gym
    Thurs: Track session - whatever is prescribed by the coach
    Fri: REST
    Sat: LSR (building from 8 to 16 miles) + shorter S&C session @ home.
    Sun: REST

    I'll make a decision next April-ish with regards to DCM 2018 but it will very much depend on the condition of my knee and i think that is very dependent on the S&C work over the next few months. Does this sound reasonable? It will probably amount to 20-25 mpw.

    The one thing I'd have concerns about would be the S&C the day before a track workout. That's two hard days in a row especially when you are newer to S&C. It would probably be better to gradually build into it as 3 days of S&C a week is a big jump alongside 1 track session and the concern would be that you get tired from all that and pick up another injury if you jump straight into that.

    If you are still getting niggles, I'd be inclined to drop the running workout in place of an easy run and gradually build into the S&C until the niggles feel better. Then consider adding in a track session while dropping the intensity and frequency of the S&C. The important thing first and foremost is get over the niggles.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭El Caballo


    Kellygirl wrote: »
    Back Carb Loading again - decided I’m going to go for the full in Clon. Just finished creating a paceband for 4:30 to keep me in check and will go slower if needs be. Just doing it for pure enjoyment and fun. Found two friends to run it with too. We are starting with the early group at 8am.

    Trying to decide what to wear. Weather looking good - 6 degrees, no rain and little wind but it’s very exposed and along the coast and high points. Normally for 6 degrees I would just wear a long sleeved top but wondering if I need gloves and a neck buff. Any thoughts? Wearing full length leggings.

    Maybe pick up a cheap pair of gloves that you are willing to throw away KG. I'd say you'll warm up fairly quickly but they might help in the first few miles when it's a bit chillier. Might be down there myself at the weekend as a mate of mine is running. I'd give you cheer but I've no idea what you look like:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    18 weeks of boards novice plan, no pain, no DOMS. 4 days of graduates plan, pain, DOMS and I finally know where my glutes are cos they're as tender as a 28 day hung fillet steak. This running sh1t just got real! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    El Caballo wrote: »
    Maybe pick up a cheap pair of gloves that you are willing to throw away KG. I'd say you'll warm up fairly quickly but they might help in the first few miles when it's a bit chillier. Might be down there myself at the weekend as a mate of mine is running. I'd give you cheer but I've no idea what you look like:pac:

    If I get a chance I’ll share my number here El C. Got my half number today but presume i’ll Be swapping that for a different one. Will be around the Quality for a few hours after so would be nice to say hello if you are too.

    Good idea about the gloves. Have some cheap Lidl pairs that might as well be put to use.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭ariana`


    Kellygirl wrote: »
    Back Carb Loading again - decided I’m going to go for the full in Clon. Just finished creating a paceband for 4:30 to keep me in check and will go slower if needs be. Just doing it for pure enjoyment and fun. Found two friends to run it with too. We are starting with the early group at 8am.

    Trying to decide what to wear. Weather looking good - 6 degrees, no rain and little wind but it’s very exposed and along the coast and high points. Normally for 6 degrees I would just wear a long sleeved top but wondering if I need gloves and a neck buff. Any thoughts? Wearing full length leggings.

    KG i wore gloves until 5 miles in DCM so I'm probably not the best person to advice you as i suffer cold hands and in this weather i'd probably wear them for the whole thing!! I wore a pair that i didn't mind throwing away but as it happened on the day i was just warming up on Chesterfield Ave and OH was there at the statue so i gave them to him... But a cheap penneys pair might be the way to go!

    Best of luck :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭ariana`


    El Caballo wrote: »
    The one thing I'd have concerns about would be the S&C the day before a track workout. That's two hard days in a row especially when you are newer to S&C. It would probably be better to gradually build into it as 3 days of S&C a week is a big jump alongside 1 track session and the concern would be that you get tired from all that and pick up another injury if you jump straight into that.

    If you are still getting niggles, I'd be inclined to drop the running workout in place of an easy run and gradually build into the S&C until the niggles feel better. Then consider adding in a track session while dropping the intensity and frequency of the S&C. The important thing first and foremost is get over the niggles.

    Damn you :pac: It's such a struggle i just want to run run run and get better (go longer, go faster) and i know s&c will help in the long run but it's not a quick fix and i've no patience! My instinct is to just want to run faster/harder/more often/for longer. It's already killing me some are back completing HMs (and even full marathons) and following new plans while i'm taking a step backwards :o Patience is not my forte obviously :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    ariana` wrote:
    It's already killing me some are back completing HMs (and even full marathons) and following new plans while i'm taking a step backwards Patience is not my forte obviously

    It might feel like a step backwards but it's genuinely not. It's maybe one step back for three leaps forward. You'll come back stronger. But I get where you're coming from. It can be frustrating when the enthusiasm and will is there but the body is asking you to hold on a sec.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭BrownEyes79


    Im finally getting round to posting on here, thanks Baby for starting the thread and El Caballo for taking on the mentor roll. There’s some brilliant advice already on here.

    Before joining the novice thread I never really knew how to get the most out of my runs and always thought the longer the quicker the better! I’ve only run 7 races in my life and the only one I’ve tired to really raced was last weeks Jingle Bells! So hopefully 2018 will bring some more racing and PBs
    After a lazy few weeks I’m hoping to start the 10k- HM graduate plan in the new year and aim for a sub 2hr half at Bohermeen (thanks Quickbeam motivating me to sign up!)
    For the next couple of weeks I’m planning to build my fitness back up and get out 3/4 times a week, starting tomorrow!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭BrownEyes79


    Kellygirl wrote: »
    Back Carb Loading again - decided I’m going to go for the full in Clon. Just finished creating a paceband for 4:30 to keep me in check and will go slower if needs be. Just doing it for pure enjoyment and fun. Found two friends to run it with too. We are starting with the early group at 8am.

    Trying to decide what to wear. Weather looking good - 6 degrees, no rain and little wind but it’s very exposed and along the coast and high points. Normally for 6 degrees I would just wear a long sleeved top but wondering if I need gloves and a neck buff. Any thoughts? Wearing full length leggings.

    GO KELLYGIRL, I’ll be dying to know how you get on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭Baby75


    Hi Browneyes so good to see you here :D


    I am also starting the plan this week, heading out later for a run hopefully my knee/foot are ok they have been fine the last two days walking as that is all I have done this week :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    ariana` wrote: »
    Damn you :pac: It's such a struggle i just want to run run run and get better (go longer, go faster) and i know s&c will help in the long run but it's not a quick fix and i've no patience! My instinct is to just want to run faster/harder/more often/for longer. It's already killing me some are back completing HMs (and even full marathons) and following new plans while i'm taking a step backwards :o Patience is not my forte obviously :cool:

    It will be worth it Ariana. This time last year when I did the half in a Clon I was in a right state with injuries after (well a bit before too) and my mileage for Dec, Jan, Feb was sooo low. Same then for Cork in June and at that stage so had to give in and get myself sorted once and for all and again had really low mileage for June and July while doing physio and I had to miss out on quite a few races like the Killarney half which I had planned for over the Summer. I wasn’t on the group at the time but Leesider was quoting ‘Keep the main thing the main thing’ to me around then! I know it’s hard looking at others and I’ve been there but I think you are doing great.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Im finally getting round to posting on here, thanks Baby for starting the thread and El Caballo for taking on the mentor roll. There’s some brilliant advice already on here.

    Before joining the novice thread I never really knew how to get the most out of my runs and always thought the longer the quicker the better! I’ve only run 7 races in my life and the only one I’ve tired to really raced was last weeks Jingle Bells! So hopefully 2018 will bring some more racing and PBs
    After a lazy few weeks I’m hoping to start the 10k- HM graduate plan in the new year and aim for a sub 2hr half at Bohermeen (thanks Quickbeam motivating me to sign up!)
    For the next couple of weeks I’m planning to build my fitness back up and get out 3/4 times a week, starting tomorrow!!

    Great that you're doing Bohermeen. There's a nice little group of us building up to doing that now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭ariana`


    Thanks for all the support and encouragement peoples :)

    KG best of luck tomorrow, enjoy it ;)

    And anyone doing Parkrun as well!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭scotindublin


    I am looking at Bohermeen or Mullingar for an early season 1/2 so I might get to catch up with some of you......minus the elf suit this time!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭BrownEyes79


    Baby75 wrote: »
    Hi Browneyes so good to see you here :D


    I am also starting the plan this week, heading out later for a run hopefully my knee/foot are ok they have been fine the last two days walking as that is all I have done this week :)

    Hope it goes well tonight, was that the same ankle you injured during the 3/4?
    Are you going to do Bohermeen too?
    I am looking at Bohermeen or Mullingar for an early season 1/2 so I might get to catch up with some of you......minus the elf suit this time!

    We mightn’t recognise you with the elf suit! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    ariana` wrote:
    And anyone doing Parkrun as well!

    Just realised we finally get to see what your 5k pace is!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭ariana`


    Just realised we finally get to see what your 5k pace is!
    Son had an away rugby match so I did a full s&c session this evening and put parkrun put of my head for another week.... and now the rugby is cancelled! So I've no more excuses (does DOMS count!) :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭Baby75


    Hope it goes well tonight, was that the same ankle you injured during the 3/4?
    Are you going to do Bohermeen too?
    We mightn’t recognise you with the elf suit! :D

    yea same leg, I never got out in the end hubby parents called in so I will go tomorrow raging actually I was really looking forward to it

    yes I am thinking of it :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭Baby75


    Kellygirl I would wear a buff it can work as a sweatband if your warm! have gloves ready in the morning so you can decide then if you need them are you wearing a belt you can also stick them into it :) good luck :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭El Caballo


    I kind of want to talk about this as a lot of you guys seem to having issues with reoccurring injuries/Niggles at the minute.

    Firstly, I think it's important to realise why they happen. As a lot of people here are newer to running/physical activity or haven't done so in years. Structurely, you're body is going to be weak and underprepared for the rigours of road running. Running is a high impact sport and this can cause issues when there is weaknesses or lack of flexibility issues in our bodies. The issue with this is that our fitness increases rapidly in contrast to our muscles and tendons which take much longer to adapt to the stress of running than our lungs and heart.

    So while the capacity to run faster and longer improves quickly, the muscles and tendons lag behind and this leads to what are called overuse injuries which are very common for all runners but especially newer runners who haven't had the years of adaption that training brings. A few examples of overuse injuries would be all the typical ones you hear of like IT band, runners knee, piriformis issues etc etc.

    The term overuse itself should be self explanatory i.e too much, too soon. The best way to avoid these type of injuries is through S&C, flexibility drills and a gradual build-up of mileage. You are only as strong as your weakest link so while your cardiovascular strength might be excellent and you feel you could run 80 miles a week, it's not much good if your body can only handle 20 miles a week without getting injured and that needs to be considered when you decide how much training you can do. Ideally, you want to slowly build up this weak point so you can increase the volume of training you can do.

    That's prevention but we also need to look at rehab as well when you do get injured. The same applies here regarding S&C and flexibility but rest plays a very important role in this. When you are injured, rest is hugely important in recovery as you have to give your body a chance to recover. If you don't, you are only prolonging injuries which will limit your training or make the injury worse until you start to address the problem. Injuries are hugely frustrating and the R word is not something runners like to hear but they are a part of the sport and how you manage them will go a long way to determining how successful you will be. It might hurt to have to take time off in the short term but it is nearly always the right decision in the long-term. You have to be as proactive in managing your recovery from injuries/niggles as you are towards your training to get the most out of your running.

    If you are struggling with an overuse injury, you will definitely have to pull the plug on races/workouts and dial back mileage or take complete rest if nessacary. Would you still like to be feeling like you are during an injury right now in 6 months without managing it or back on the road niggle free in a month if you do address it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭Baby75


    El Caballo I personally want all my niggles gone and head into the new year being able to run without any issues and the ones plaguing me now.

    it has meant a full weeks rest for me so far and was hoping to get out tomorrow for an easy 5km see how I'm holding up. no pain when walking the last few days


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