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Are we over the annual poppy thread?

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  • #962
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    maryishere wrote: »
    Relatives of at least five Celtic players who died in WW1 are offended that none of the current players or management team now wear poppies to honour the sacrifice of such celtic players.

    Maybe they chose not to wear them? Ah yes the concept of choice. You keep tripping up over it don't you?


  • #963
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    maryishere wrote: »
    Maybe if and whataboutery. Many in the UK would say that respecting the fallen of 2 world wars is above politics, and you get nearly everyone from all political beliefs, backgrounds, creeds, social classes etc agreeing on one thing.

    What do you think of the former vice-president of Fifa warning "controversial footballer" James McClean that the time has come to stop mixing sport and politics?

    Let me rephrase it for you then, the FA should never have allowed a poppy so inherently political through its support of the present British Armed Forces into the game, McClean views should never have needed to be aired.

    Because Boyce is pro-poppy, he was part of the campaign to allow England to wear it back in 2011


  • #964
    not yet
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Maybe they chose not to wear them? Ah yes the concept of choice. You keep tripping up over it don't you?

    Like most unionists they can only play the game for so long, but when the mask does fall it's quite fun to see..


  • #965
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Maybe they chose not to wear them?

    One manager used to wear it when he was manager of another club, but when he moved to Celtic he decided it would be prudent not to wear in in front of his IRA chanting fans. Thats choice all right. Many old Celtic players made sacrifices during the world wars, some died, the decision to stop remembering them caused controversy, thats all.


  • #966
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Because Boyce is pro-poppy, he was part of the campaign to allow England to wear it back in 2011

    Wait till NI play their home leg of the WC play-off in Windsor Park. Poppies sown into the shirts and a rousing rendition of GSTQ. An inclusive house for nationalists it will not be..........


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  • #967
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    maryishere wrote: »
    One manager used to wear it when he was manager of another club, but when he moved to Celtic he decided it would be prudent not to wear in in front of his IRA chanting fans. Thats choice all right. Many old Celtic players made sacrifices during the world wars, some died, the decision to stop remembering them caused controversy, thats all.

    Who are you on about?


  • #968
    maryishere
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Wait till NI play their home leg of the WC play-off in Windsor Park. Poppies sown into the shirts and a rousing rendition of GSTQ. An inclusive house for nationalists it will not be..........

    The RBL charity helps people without regard to their religion or political beliefs. None of the 120,000 Irishmen that joined in WW2 for example found they were discriminated against, as far as I know, in any branch eg army, navy, air force etc.


  • #969
    maryishere
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Who are you on about?

    Celtic. ;)


  • #970
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    maryishere wrote: »
    The RBL charity helps people without regard to their religion or political beliefs. None of the 120,000 Irishmen that joined in WW2 for example found they were discriminated against, as far as I know, in any branch eg army, navy, air force etc.

    Whatever this has to do with the game in Windsor Park, I do not know. And the name of that Celtic manager Mary.....?


  • #971
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Whatever this has to do with the game in Windsor Park, I do not know.

    It was in reply to your whinge"Poppies sown into the shirts and a rousing rendition of GSTQ. An inclusive house for nationalists it will not be...."
    You think they should sing the Soldiers song and sing the Fields of Athenry ( Sinn Fein IRA version) instead?

    None of the 120,000 Irishmen that joined in WW2 for example found they were discriminated against, as far as I know, in any branch eg army, navy, air force etc. I do not think any of those that are left alive would object to the poppy or to remembering their fallen comrades.


    Deleted User wrote: »
    . And the name of that Celtic manager Mary.....?

    Brendan Rodgers " When Rodgers was managing in England he had no problem wearing the poppy, so why as Celtic manager is he suddenly not wearing one now?”
    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-slammed-not-wearing-poppies-11476854


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  • #972
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    maryishere wrote: »
    You think they should sing the Soldiers song and sing the Fields of Athenry ( Sinn Fein IRA version) instead?

    Nope. Something inclusive of both traditions I would have thought.
    Brendan Rodgers " When Rodgers was managing in England he had no problem wearing the poppy, so why as Celtic manager is he suddenly not wearing one now?”
    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-slammed-not-wearing-poppies-11476854

    So you take an unanswered question, supply your own utterly unsubstantiated answer:
    One manager used to wear it when he was manager of another club, but when he moved to Celtic he decided it would be prudent not to wear in in front of his IRA chanting fans.

    and try to pass it off as something approaching the truth. Well done....


  • #973
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So you take an unanswered question, supply your own utterly unsubstantiated answer:
    .

    You asked for the name of the Celtic manager. I gave it to you, with a link.


  • #974
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    maryishere wrote: »
    You asked for the name of the Celtic manager. I gave it to you, with a link.

    A link to an unanswered question to which you gave an answer with no supporting evidence whatsoever. So Mary, some proof please to back up your claim.


  • #975
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    maryishere wrote: »
    It was in reply to your whinge"Poppies sown into the shirts and a rousing rendition of GSTQ. An inclusive house for nationalists it will not be...."
    You think they should sing the Soldiers song and sing the Fields of Athenry ( Sinn Fein IRA version) instead?

    None of the 120,000 Irishmen that joined in WW2 for example found they were discriminated against, as far as I know, in any branch eg army, navy, air force etc. I do not think any of those that are left alive would object to the poppy or to remembering their fallen comrades.





    Brendan Rodgers " When Rodgers was managing in England he had no problem wearing the poppy, so why as Celtic manager is he suddenly not wearing one now?”
    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-slammed-not-wearing-poppies-11476854
    That link is just full of pathetic people having a go at a record breaking Celtic team. Sad


  • #976
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A link to an unanswered question to which you gave an answer with no supporting evidence whatsoever. So Mary, some proof please to back up your claim.

    If you google it, you will see proof that Brendan Rodgers wore a poppy before he moved to managing Celtic. When he moved to Celtic he obviously decided it would be prudent not to wear in in front of his IRA chanting fans. The relatives of old Celtic players who made sacrifices during the world wars, some of whom were killed (5 at least in the WW1 era alone ), are disappointed thev tradition of respecting the fallen is not continued.


  • #977
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Deleted User wrote: »
    An inclusive house for nationalists it will not be..........

    Maybe if McLean wants an inclusive house for nationalists he should move to Celtic. Of course he would have to take a pay cut then. Or to a team in the Irish league.
    As someone else said:
    someone so "principled" he still CHOOSES to earn a living in England!!!

    a bit like "Devout Muslims" CHOOSING to live under Christianity!


  • #978
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    maryishere wrote: »
    If you google it, you will see proof that Brendan Rodgers wore a poppy before he moved to managing Celtic. When he moved to Celtic he obviously decided it would be prudent not to wear in in front of his IRA chanting fans. The relatives of old Celtic players who made sacrifices during the world wars, some of whom were killed (5 at least in the WW1 era alone ), are disappointed thev tradition of respecting the fallen is not continued.
    Or maybe he felt forced before and is now free to not give a ****, who knows, as your link says it wasn't just celtic who didn't have a poppy on their shirts.

    And there was a minutes silence for remembrance before the game, of course your link doesn't mention that though


  • #979
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    maryishere wrote: »
    If you google it, you will see proof that Brendan Rodgers wore a poppy before he moved to managing Celtic. When he moved to Celtic he obviously decided it would be prudent not to wear in in front of his IRA chanting fans. The relatives of old Celtic players who made sacrifices during the world wars, some of whom were killed (5 at least in the WW1 era alone ), are disappointed thev tradition of respecting the fallen is not continued.

    You are repeating an unsubstantiated claim. Wheres your proof?
    someone so "principled" he still CHOOSES to earn a living in England!!!

    Where one doesn't have to wear a poppy if they don't want to the last time I checked. Why are you failing time and time again to see this basic point?


  • #980
    maryishere
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    And there was a minutes silence for remembrance before the game, of course your link doesn't mention that though

    And the minutes silence for rememberance is frequently broken by some Celtic fans. As someone else says:
    " The Celtic fans who disrupted the minute’s silence were also disrespecting the 35,000 Irishmen who gave their lives and not to mention the 200,000 Irishman who went to fight in two world wars. Yet they still find it in their hearts to glorify terrorists.”
    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/opinion/sport/hotline/celtic-fans-rapped-remembrance-sunday-6799320

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/scottish/celtic/ronny-deilas-dismay-as-celtic-fans-boo-minutes-silence-for-remembrance-sunday-34181380.html


  • #981
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why are you failing time and time again to see this basic point?

    Not failing to see the point. He lives a very well paid life in a democracy and he does not acknowledge the army that defended these islands so that he may live in such a democracy. Even though he is critical of the British army, he owes his freedom to them, even though he probably does not realise it.


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  • #982
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    maryishere wrote: »
    in a democracy

    of which freedom of expression is a fundamentally important part of.
    and he does not acknowledge the army that

    ....murdered people in his home city. Why should he?


  • #983
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why should he?

    Why should he live in England and pay taxes towards supporting the army if he is such a critic of that army, and justifies the murder of over 1000 members of that army in N.Ireland?
    As someone else said:
    "someone so "principled" he still CHOOSES to earn a living in England!!!

    a bit like "Devout Muslims" CHOOSING to live under Christianity!"

    Plenty of people from the forces gave their lives so he and others could have their freedom.


  • #984
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    maryishere wrote: »
    and justifies the murder of over 1000 members of that army in N.Ireland?

    Proof that he did please.


  • #985
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Proof that he did please.

    Did'nt he agree with his "hero" Martin McGuinness that the "armed struggle" was justified? McLean said of McGuinness that he was " a man I met so many times, had the privilege to share many a great conversation with, a man that always text me before games wishing me luck, a man that through the well documented tough times off the field always let me know how brave I was standing by my beliefs, that I never was alone because I had his support and backing always."
    In 2013, at a debate at the Oxford Union, McGuinness refused to condemn the 1990 IRA murder of Patsy Gillespie, a Catholic canteen worker and father of three who was strapped into a lorry loaded with IRA explosives and forced to drive it to a British Army checkpoint. There it was detonated remotely, killing Gillespie and five British soldiers.


  • #986
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    maryishere wrote: »
    Did'nt he agree with his "hero" Martin McGuinness that the "armed struggle" was justified?

    I don’t know mary. You made the claim that he “justified the murder” of BA soldiers. Wheres the proof that he did so?


  • #987
    end of the road
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    maryishere wrote: »
    Maybe if McLean wants an inclusive house for nationalists he should move to Celtic. Of course he would have to take a pay cut then. Or to a team in the Irish league.
    As someone else said:
    someone so "principled" he still CHOOSES to earn a living in England!!!

    a bit like "Devout Muslims" CHOOSING to live under Christianity!


    nobody cares. he will not wear the poppy. no amount of copy and pastes will change it.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #988
    Jawgap
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    Sums it up pretty well, imo.....(and better than I could)

    https://twitter.com/bbcnewsnight/status/928013704532283399

    "A public expression of a private feeling"


  • #989
    munsterlegend
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Wait till NI play their home leg of the WC play-off in Windsor Park. Poppies sown into the shirts and a rousing rendition of GSTQ. An inclusive house for nationalists it will not be..........

    Why can't they take a leaf from Irish rugby and depoliticise the whole thing? The Irish FA then wonder why two premiership Derry lads play for us as well as countless others down through the years.


  • #990
    not yet
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    maryishere wrote: »
    Not failing to see the point. He lives a very well paid life in a democracy and he does not acknowledge the army that defended these islands so that he may live in such a democracy. Even though he is critical of the British army, he owes his freedom to them, even though he probably does not realise it.

    Lets make this as simple as possible..

    6 police men burst into your house one day and murder your Uncle, years later when you grow up you're walking up the High st and see someone selling trinkets commemorating these men for saving several lives at a car crash.....do you buy a trinket ?.


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  • #991
    munsterlegend
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    maryishere wrote: »
    I'd say he is more likely to get sent off than score a winning goal. He should do as he was advised by the former vice-president of Fifa and keep his political opinions to himself.

    53 games 10 goals no sending offs. Statistics not your thing Mary.

    Jim Boyce would be better off wondering why countless lads born in the north say no thank you to Windsor park and continue to do so. They are lucky to have such a good catholic former gaa playing manager now to paper over the cracks.


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