Are we over the annual poppy thread?

A Little Pony · 07-11-2017 07:21PM

not yet wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

munsterlegend;105199535Robert Fisk's view on the poppy

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/poppy-symbol-of-racism-never-worn-one-never-will-robert-fisk-remembrance-day-first-world-war-second-a7394976.html

A bitter article created from the gut of the remainers who can't get over the referendum result. To call the poppy a symbol of racism is so patently stupid it beggars belief that Mr Fisk can tie his laces. You have people in countries around the world who wear the Poppy who aren't white, who remember ancestors they have who fought in WW1 and WW2, millions of them who weren't white.

All Mr Fisk has done is spit on their grave by insulting them. You might have an argument if you bring up the history as far as Imperialism and Empire goes but the actual values of the Poppy aren't racist and have never been intended to be racist. If it is racist then you must have a lot of people of colour in this world who wear the Poppy betraying themselves which is obviously ludicrous.

From the article he absolutely despises Theresa May and the people who voted to leave the EU. If Mr Fisk really doesn't like what happened in one of the great democratic moments in British history then he should write about that. What he has basically done is look at the time of the year it is and use the Poppy as a smokescreen to get in a bitter rant about a democratic decision.

I have family members who voted to remain, it's a perfectly respectable position to take but sooner or later people like Mr Fisk will have to learn to get over it, move on. The "war" is over, his side lost. I'd be saying the same thing if my own side lost, the people have spoken and Mr Fisk will just have to come to terms with that in time.

I had to laugh at the sentence in the article in which he said "Poppy wearers want to now throw out the Poles" while at the same time praising the Polish RAF fighter pilots which is absolute nonsense for a number of reasons. To make the claim that millions of British people who wear the Poppy or buy poppies want to throw Polish people out of the UK is absolute hyperbole bollocks, lying basically.

Having a go at TV presenters who wear the Poppy is also another dubious angle he has taken. Does he know the history of the family trees of many of these presenters? Maybe they respect the Armed Forces or have relatives who fought in WW1 or WW2 and see wearing the Poppy as their own way of remembering them and showing respect.

He certainly hasn't shown me any evidence whatsoever in that article that millions of people in the UK want to "throw" out Polish people based on what he alludes to as a form of racism. Talk about a huge leap of logic and what an insult to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people who voted remain who will be taking part in Remembrance Sunday and showing respect.

So unless someone falls down on your side of the argument they can fcuk off, does that sound about right..

I read the article and thought it was full of absolute nonsense from someone who hasn't got over the referendum result. Attacking Theresa May on an article which is supposed to be about the Poppy and why he thinks it is racist. If I disagree with something fundamentally, I will so say and explain why I disagree.

His article completely ignores the fact that millions of people who weren't white served during WW1 and WW2. It is most certainly not the racist symbol he has portrayed. To say the people who wear the Poppy want Polish people thrown out of the UK is another huge point in his article which must be contested, what evidence has he got for that?

Odhinn · 07-11-2017 07:22PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

:D I'd forgotten that actually. Seems it's ok to do for FG when it's a British Army thing.

...that leopard never changed it's spots.

Odhinn · 07-11-2017 07:24PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

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His article completely ignores the fact that millions of people who weren't white served during WW1 and WW2. It is most certainly not the racist symbol he has portrayed. To say the people who wear the Poppy want Polish people thrown out of the UK is another huge point in his article which must be contested, what evidence has he got for that?

The non-white subjects of Britain who fought for it have been largely ignored, particularily since the decline of empire.

FrancieBrady · 07-11-2017 07:27PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

He is afaik....the taoiseach is a political office...where as the president is meant to be non political/above politics

However if as is aluded to by many FG internet supporters on other sites that he wore it,to get under skin of SF members....

.you have to wonder,is that the bigger insult to those who the poppy is purportly to commerate than not wearing one??

Seems there is a rule on emblems. Trying to find it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/rule-on-d%C3%A1il-emblems-enforced-ahead-of-marriage-referendum-1.2202579

not yet · 07-11-2017 07:28PM

British army.jpg

Wear your poppy loud and proud, You've earned it.

tomwaterford · 07-11-2017 07:29PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Seems there is a rule on emblems. Trying to find it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/rule-on-d%C3%A1il-emblems-enforced-ahead-of-marriage-referendum-1.2202579

This has potential to cause an absolute sh1tstorm....when fg move againest wearing of the easter lily (which they will)

A Little Pony · 07-11-2017 07:30PM

Odhinn wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

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His article completely ignores the fact that millions of people who weren't white served during WW1 and WW2. It is most certainly not the racist symbol he has portrayed. To say the people who wear the Poppy want Polish people thrown out of the UK is another huge point in his article which must be contested, what evidence has he got for that?

The non-white subjects of Britain who fought for it have been largely ignored, particularily since the decline of empire.

Not from me and also the Gurkhas, I don't forget the fantastic service they made during the major wars.

Elmer Blooker · 07-11-2017 07:32PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

The Poppy isn't under any sort of resurgence from what I can see. I haven't noticed anything differently this year than in recent years. Maybe it's more visible on TV now but that is because we have more TV channels, more content now exists, so you see more people wearing it throughout the day, that is not the fault of the RBL.

So tell me when did this tacky circus begin? I've been a football fan all my life and this is a recent development.
Who's decision was it to make the wearing of the poppy on shirts compulsory I wonder?
Only a few years ago the lead up to Remembrance Sunday was rather low key and dignified, you would see poppies on TV presenters and all it meant was "its that time of year again" but now its become an aggressive celebration of British militarism which personally I find a bit worrying for what lies ahead.

tomwaterford · 07-11-2017 07:35PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

So tell me when did this tacky circus begin? I've been a football fan all my life and this is a recent development.
Who's decision was it to make the wearing of the poppy on shirts compulsory I wonder?
Only a few years ago the lead up to Remembrance Sunday was rather low key and dignified, you would see poppies on TV presenters and all it meant was "its that time of year again" but now its become an aggressive celebration of British militarism which personally I find a bit worrying for what lies ahead.

Celtic don't adorn the poppy on their jersey....but it took a near revolt from their fans to get it removed

Odhinn · 07-11-2017 07:35PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Not from me and also the Gurkhas, I don't forget the fantastic service they made during the major wars.

The fact is the whole thing has been white washed in popular culture. Not that Britain is the only former empire to do it, mind you.

07-11-2017 07:36PM

I'm delighted Leo wore a Poppy. Even if it was green. It's a step in the right direction.

A Little Pony · 07-11-2017 07:36PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

The Poppy isn't under any sort of resurgence from what I can see. I haven't noticed anything differently this year than in recent years. Maybe it's more visible on TV now but that is because we have more TV channels, more content now exists, so you see more people wearing it throughout the day, that is not the fault of the RBL.

So tell me when did this tacky circus begin? I've been a football fan all my life and this is a recent development.
Who's decision was it to make the wearing of the poppy on shirts compulsory I wonder?
Only a few years ago the lead up to Remembrance Sunday was rather low key and dignified, you would see poppies on TV presenters and all it meant was "its that time of year again" but now its become an aggressive celebration of British militarism which personally I find a bit worrying for what lies ahead.

But it's not compulsory because as we have seen in this thread James Mcclean doesn't wear it. If he doesn't it means a lot of other people have the option to not do so if they want. Most players either want to or don't give a damn about it either way.

Odhinn · 07-11-2017 07:38PM

From last year....
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/news/a813487/cookie-monster-sparks-debate-poppy-the-one-show/

not yet · 07-11-2017 07:40PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'm delighted Leo wore a Poppy. Even if it was green. It's a step in the right direction.

What direction would that be. Leo is only wearing it in memory of his Nanny Thatcher..

FrancieBrady · 07-11-2017 07:41PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

But it's not compulsory because as we have seen in this thread James Mcclean doesn't wear it. If he doesn't it means a lot of other people have the option to not do so if they want. Most players either want to or don't give a damn about it either way.

You said this kinda of stuff always happened, it simply didn't.

There has been a rise in the whole poppy stuff and a rise in unquestioning support for the BA.

Directly linked to the 'back to the empire, take back control' bollixology that saw the Brexit vote happen.

Odhinn · 07-11-2017 07:41PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'm delighted Leo wore a Poppy. Even if it was green. It's a step in the right direction.

..is he going towards a cliff?

Berserker · 07-11-2017 07:44PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

So tell me when did this tacky circus begin? I've been a football fan all my life and this is a recent development.
Who's decision was it to make the wearing of the poppy on shirts compulsory I wonder?

Well, if you are a football fan and you watch British football, you'll know the answer to poppy question yourself. Also, it's not compulsory to wear one. Most people chose to wear one out of remembrance, others out of respect to the country they are working in. The vast majority of those who don't, carry on in a professional manner and nothing more is made of it.

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'm delighted Leo wore a Poppy. Even if it was green. It's a step in the right direction.

It's the right thing for a man in his position to do. It's demonstrates respect for the Irish men who died, for starters.

07-11-2017 07:45PM

not yet wrote:

What direction would that be. Leo is only wearing it in memory of his Nanny Thatcher..

I don't care why he is wearing it so long as he wears it.

A Little Pony · 07-11-2017 07:46PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

But it's not compulsory because as we have seen in this thread James Mcclean doesn't wear it. If he doesn't it means a lot of other people have the option to not do so if they want. Most players either want to or don't give a damn about it either way.

You said this kinda of stuff always happened, it simply didn't.

There has been a rise in the whole poppy stuff and a rise in unquestioning support for the BA.

Directly linked to the 'back to the empire, take back control' bollixology that saw the Brexit vote happen.

I am sure if I go looking into football and the Poppy from the 90s I could find remembrance ceremonies before the game kicks off. All I see is pretty normal in the build up to Remembrance Sunday.

FrancieBrady · 07-11-2017 07:47PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

I am sure if I go looking into football and the Poppy from the 90s I could find remembrance ceremonies before the game kicks off. All I see is pretty normal in the build up to Remembrance Sunday.

Go ahead.

Timberrrrrrrr · 07-11-2017 08:10PM

not yet wrote: »

British army.jpg

Wear your poppy loud and proud, You've earned it.

Will you be posting pictures of Jonathan Ball and Tim Parry when the Easter Lily thread opens and tell people to wear it with pride?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrington_bomb_attacks

tomwaterford · 07-11-2017 08:18PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Will you be posting pictures of Jonathan Ball and Tim Parry when the Easter Lily thread opens and tell people to wear it with pride?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrington_bomb_attacks

Is there any indication that those perpetrated that wicked bombing (RIP),if injured/on hard times benefit financially from the easter lily??

Tbc I do not agree with the posting of that pic

not yet · 07-11-2017 08:19PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Will you be posting pictures of Jonathan Ball and Tim Parry when the Easter Lily thread opens and tell people to wear it with pride?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrington_bomb_attacks

No, No I wont..

That photo is a stark reminder to some on here including yourself that laud the British army and all the fine work they have done..

maryishere · 07-11-2017 08:22PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Is there any indication that those perpetrated that wicked bombing (RIP),if injured/on hard times benefit financially from the easter lily??

Thought that was what the Northern bank robbery and other such ventures were for?

Neighhhhh....says Shergar.;)

FrancieBrady · 07-11-2017 08:32PM

Mary made a post without mentioning Hitler...watershed moments

NIMAN · 07-11-2017 08:33PM

I think it's stretching it a bit to believe that every footballer in the EPL wants to wear the poppy and honestly believes in what it stands for.

I'd say most don't want the grief that James McClean receives every year, so they put up with it. Most also wouldn't have the reasons for not wearing one that James has.

Plus most probably haven't got the principles that James has. Likes of Spanish, Portuguese or Dutch players likely couldn't give a f, but I would expect maybe Argentinians to have a bit more argument in them.

not yet · 07-11-2017 08:39PM

NIMAN wrote: »

I think it's stretching it a bit to believe that every footballer in the EPL wants to wear the poppy and honestly believes in what it stands for.

I'd say most don't want the grief that James McClean receives every year, so they put up with it. Most also wouldn't have the reasons for not wearing one that James has.

Plus most probably haven't got the principles that James has. Likes of Spanish, Portuguese or Dutch players likely couldn't give a f, but I would expect maybe Argentinians to have a bit more argument in them.

But they make a living Blah Blah Blah, Hitler something or other, Brave men died for me and you etc etc etc...

maryishere · 07-11-2017 08:40PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Mary made a post without mentioning Hitler...watershed moments

And you made a post without whinging about the BA.

Timberrrrrrrr · 07-11-2017 08:53PM

not yet wrote: »

No, No I wont..

That photo is a stark reminder to some on here including yourself that laud the British army and all the fine work they have done..

Of course you won't

You will instead be on here telling everyone how the Warrington bombers were great "freedom fighters" and the victims were the price you pay for "war".

07-11-2017 08:53PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Mary made a post without mentioning Hitler...watershed moments

Being a bit hasty there Francie. She only wants to talk about 1939/1940 in relation to ww2......

Are we over the annual poppy thread?

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