Are we over the annual poppy thread?

not yet · 07-11-2017 01:56PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

I give money to charity, I still think he's a twat. Doing charity doesn't mean a whole lot, you can still have bad traits as someone posted with links.

Just so we are clear here. Please tell us what bad traits J Mc C has, apart from refusing to wear a blood stained flower of imperialism..

munsterlegend · 07-11-2017 03:17PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

And of course the Republican section of society doesn't vote in ex terrorists responsible for the murders of hundreds of people.

It's not just republicans anymore though but also what would be considered moderate nationalists. This is all due to Unionist dinosaur policies. Now yes the Dup has also slowly risen in support but the demographics are only going in one direction.

Anyway this is off topic. Do people wear poppies to work up north as a matter of interest?

flaneur · 07-11-2017 03:34PM

WWI was horrific, horrible and absolutely senseless but we all know this poppy thing, like American flag pins, is being hijacked by people who have turned it into identity politics and made it divisive.

If you want to remember people who died in wars, that’s a personal choice. When you start bullying people into wearing a symbol that is associated with a military that played a terrible role here, it’s bullying for political reasons. When you criticize people for wearing a poppy that’s also bullying.

I have no issue with people voluntarily wearing a poppy. What I’ve a major issue with is the nonsensical bullying of people who don’t.

There was a particularly ridiculous case around that Northern Ireland footballer a few years ago. There are specific political sensitivities up there about symbols and anyone with any sense knows that and should know better than to stir it up.

A Little Pony · 07-11-2017 03:39PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

And of course the Republican section of society doesn't vote in ex terrorists responsible for the murders of hundreds of people.

It's not just republicans anymore though but also what would be considered moderate nationalists. This is all due to Unionist dinosaur policies. Now yes the Dup has also slowly risen in support but the demographics are only going in one direction.

Anyway this is off topic. Do people wear poppies to work up north as a matter of interest?

Plenty of people do, I see it regularly enough. I would like to answer the above but as you said it is off topic.

munsterlegend · 07-11-2017 03:42PM

flaneur wrote: »

WWI was horrific, horrible and absolutely senseless but we all know this poppy thing, like American flag pins, is being hijacked by people who have turned it into identity politics and made it divisive.

If you want to remember people who died in wars, that’s a personal choice. When you start bullying people into wearing a symbol that is associated with a military that played a terrible role here, it’s bullying for political reasons. When you criticize people for wearing a poppy that’s also bullying.

I have no issue with people voluntarily wearing a poppy. What I’ve a major issue with is the nonsensical bullying of people who don’t.

There was a particularly ridiculous case around that Northern Ireland footballer a few years ago. There are specific political sensitivities up there about symbols and anyone with any sense knows that and should know better than to stir it up.

Exactly whatever about people's personal choices the Irish FA are a disgrace and alienating a large part of its playing population.

NIMAN · 07-11-2017 03:47PM

In my workplace I don't think poppies are allowed on your clothes all day. You can wear one on your coat into work, but it would have to be hung up. None are allowed on display all day AFAIK.

Same goes for football or gaelic tops, anything with a sporting badge,etc.

Basically trying to keep the workplace neutral for the easily offended.

Jawgap · 07-11-2017 03:59PM

Leo's over it.....:D:D:D

Looks like he has the same pin I have, only a bit bigger.

padd b1975 · 07-11-2017 04:44PM

NIMAN wrote: »

In my workplace I don't think poppies are allowed on your clothes all day. You can wear one on your coat into work, but it would have to be hung up. None are allowed on display all day AFAIK.

Same goes for football or gaelic tops, anything with a sporting badge,etc.

Basically trying to keep the workplace neutral for the easily offended.

'Repeal' jumpers too I presume?

munsterlegend · 07-11-2017 06:00PM

Robert Fisk's view on the poppy

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/poppy-symbol-of-racism-never-worn-one-never-will-robert-fisk-remembrance-day-first-world-war-second-a7394976.html

FrancieBrady · 07-11-2017 06:02PM

A Taoiseach selecting only Irish British soldiers to remember is disgusting tbh.

Why would he not make a point remembering all who died in war and conflict.

Paristocrat · 07-11-2017 06:29PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A Taoiseach selecting only Irish British soldiers to remember is disgusting tbh.

Why would he not make a point remembering all who died in war and conflict.

Even the Nazis?

not yet · 07-11-2017 06:30PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A Taoiseach selecting only Irish British soldiers to remember is disgusting tbh.

Why would he not make a point remembering all who died in war and conflict.

Because he's a clown and a bluffer..

munsterlegend · 07-11-2017 06:33PM

Paristocrat wrote: »

Even the Nazis?

All Irish people who died in wars not just those who were in the British army was what he meant.

not yet · 07-11-2017 06:35PM

UFF.jpg

How cute..

davycc · 07-11-2017 06:39PM

not yet wrote: »

UFF.jpg

How cute..

Tacky as Feck if you ask me..

Jawgap · 07-11-2017 06:39PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A Taoiseach selecting only Irish British soldiers to remember is disgusting tbh.

Why would he not make a point remembering all who died in war and conflict.

He did

The annual National Day of Commemoration Ceremony, to honour all those Irishmen and Irishwomen who died in past wars or on service with the United Nations, was held in the Royal Hospital Kilmainham, Dublin, as well as at six locations across Ireland. The ceremony commenced with a multi-faith service of prayer, after which the President laid a wreath on behalf of the people of Ireland. As part of the ceremony military honours (to An Taoiseach and An tUachtarán) were rendered by a Captain's Tri-Service Guard of Honour from Óglaigh na hÉireann.

FrancieBrady · 07-11-2017 06:42PM

Jawgap wrote: »

He did

Has he worn an Easter Lily i wonder?
Do you think he should?

not yet · 07-11-2017 06:45PM

davycc wrote: »

Tacky as Feck if you ask me..

Ah, but their heart is in the right place..

tomwaterford · 07-11-2017 06:48PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Has he worn an Easter Lily i wonder?
Do you think he should?

Does it matter

It's his own decision whether he do or not.....don't want to replicate the situation they have over in England here with people presurised to wear it/explain why do/dont

A Little Pony · 07-11-2017 06:49PM

munsterlegend;105199535Robert Fisk's view on the poppy

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/poppy-symbol-of-racism-never-worn-one-never-will-robert-fisk-remembrance-day-first-world-war-second-a7394976.html

A bitter article created from the gut of the remainers who can't get over the referendum result. To call the poppy a symbol of racism is so patently stupid it beggars belief that Mr Fisk can tie his laces. You have people in countries around the world who wear the Poppy who aren't white, who remember ancestors they have who fought in WW1 and WW2, millions of them who weren't white.

All Mr Fisk has done is spit on their grave by insulting them. You might have an argument if you bring up the history as far as Imperialism and Empire goes but the actual values of the Poppy aren't racist and have never been intended to be racist. If it is racist then you must have a lot of people of colour in this world who wear the Poppy betraying themselves which is obviously ludicrous.

From the article he absolutely despises Theresa May and the people who voted to leave the EU. If Mr Fisk really doesn't like what happened in one of the great democratic moments in British history then he should write about that. What he has basically done is look at the time of the year it is and use the Poppy as a smokescreen to get in a bitter rant about a democratic decision.

I have family members who voted to remain, it's a perfectly respectable position to take but sooner or later people like Mr Fisk will have to learn to get over it, move on. The "war" is over, his side lost. I'd be saying the same thing if my own side lost, the people have spoken and Mr Fisk will just have to come to terms with that in time.

I had to laugh at the sentence in the article in which he said "Poppy wearers want to now throw out the Poles" while at the same time praising the Polish RAF fighter pilots which is absolute nonsense for a number of reasons. To make the claim that millions of British people who wear the Poppy or buy poppies want to throw Polish people out of the UK is absolute hyperbole bollocks, lying basically.

Having a go at TV presenters who wear the Poppy is also another dubious angle he has taken. Does he know the history of the family trees of many of these presenters? Maybe they respect the Armed Forces or have relatives who fought in WW1 or WW2 and see wearing the Poppy as their own way of remembering them and showing respect.

He certainly hasn't shown me any evidence whatsoever in that article that millions of people in the UK want to "throw" out Polish people based on what he alludes to as a form of racism. Talk about a huge leap of logic and what an insult to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people who voted remain who will be taking part in Remembrance Sunday and showing respect.

FrancieBrady · 07-11-2017 06:51PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Does it matter

It's his own decision whether he do or not.....don't want to replicate the situation they have over in England here with people presurised to wear it/explain why do/dont

Well, I think it does and should matter when a Taoiseach wears one in the Dail. That is why I asked had he worn the Lily.
When you wear one and not the other you are making a politcal statement in my view.

He can do what ever he wants in the privacy of his home.

tomwaterford · 07-11-2017 06:58PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well, I think it does and should matter when a Taoiseach wears one in the Dail. That is why I asked had he worn the Lily.
When you wear one and not the other you are making a politcal statement in my view.

He can do what ever he wants in the privacy of his home.

Let him make his political statement....

In trying to force him to account for it/forced wearing of the lily.....is literally the same thing happening in England what we critise them quiet rightly for??

Its not right to goad/downplay the goading mclean gets for not wearing it....it'll not be right for varadkar to be goaded into a sh1tstorm to wear it,if he deosnt want to

FrancieBrady · 07-11-2017 07:00PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

munsterlegend;105199535Robert Fisk's view on the poppy

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/poppy-symbol-of-racism-never-worn-one-never-will-robert-fisk-remembrance-day-first-world-war-second-a7394976.html

A bitter article created from the gut of the remainers who can't get over the referendum result. To call the poppy a symbol of racism is so patently stupid it beggars belief that Mr Fisk can tie his laces. You have people in countries around the world who wear the Poppy who aren't white, who remember ancestors they have who fought in WW1 and WW2, millions of them who weren't white.

All Mr Fisk has done is spit on their grave by insulting them. You might have an argument if you bring up the history as far as Imperialism and Empire goes but the actual values of the Poppy aren't racist and have never been intended to be racist. If it is racist then you must have a lot of people of colour in this world who wear the Poppy betraying themselves which is obviously ludicrous.

From the article he absolutely despises Theresa May and the people who voted to leave the EU. If Mr Fisk really doesn't like what happened in one of the great democratic moments in British history then he should write about that. What he has basically done is look at the time of the year it is and use the Poppy as a smokescreen to get in a bitter rant about a democratic decision.

I have family members who voted to remain, it's a perfectly respectable position to take but sooner or later people like Mr Fisk will have to learn to get over it, move on. The "war" is over, his side lost. I'd be saying the same thing if my own side lost, the people have spoken and Mr Fisk will just have to come to terms with that in time.

I had to laugh at the sentence in the article in which he said "Poppy wearers want to now throw out the Poles" while at the same time praising the Polish RAF fighter pilots which is absolute nonsense for a number of reasons. To make the claim that millions of British people who wear the Poppy or buy poppies want to throw Polish people out of the UK is absolute hyperbole bollocks, lying basically.

Having a go at TV presenters who wear the Poppy is also another dubious angle he has taken. Does he know the history of the family trees of many of these presenters? Maybe they respect the Armed Forces or have relatives who fought in WW1 or WW2 and see wearing the Poppy as their own way of remembering them and showing respect.

He certainly hasn't shown me any evidence whatsoever in that article that millions of people in the UK want to "throw" out Polish people based on what he alludes to as a form of racism. Talk about a huge leap of logic and what an insult to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people who voted remain who will be taking part in Remembrance Sunday and showing respect.

Personally, (and I didn't read the article yet) I think it is entirely possible to link the resurgence of the Poppy (and the seemingly growing size of the dang thing) to the shift in British politics that has led to Brexit.

Britain is empire mourning at the moment as it watches the UK slowly break apart. People are harking back to a 'glorious' era of British superiority whilst refusing steadfastly to accept that that superiority was built on the back of weaker countries, exploitation and their own version of the jackboot.

It's a national schizophrenia and Brexit is one of the results.

FrancieBrady · 07-11-2017 07:03PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Let him make his political statement....

In trying to force him to account for it/forced wearing of the lily.....is literally the same thing happening in England what we critise them quiet rightly for??

Its not right to goad/downplay the goading mclean gets for not wearing it....it'll not be right for varadkar to be goaded into a sh1tstorm to wear it,if he deosnt want to

No, I am not calling him 'scum' or questioning his integrity.
I am asking is a Taoiseach allowed to make a political statement like that.
Imagine, if you will, that he wore a Repeal The 8th T-Shirt into the Dail, his 'office' would not be allowed to do that.

tomwaterford · 07-11-2017 07:08PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No, I am not calling him 'scum' or questioning his integrity.
I am asking is a Taoiseach allowed to make a political statement like that.
Imagine if you will if he wore a Repeal The 8th T-Shirt into the Dail, his 'office' would not be allowed to do that.

He is afaik....the taoiseach is a political office...where as the president is meant to be non political/above politics

However if as is aluded to by many FG internet supporters on other sites that he wore it,to get under skin of SF members....

.you have to wonder,is that the bigger insult to those who the poppy is purportly to commerate than not wearing one??

not yet · 07-11-2017 07:10PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

munsterlegend;105199535Robert Fisk's view on the poppy

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/poppy-symbol-of-racism-never-worn-one-never-will-robert-fisk-remembrance-day-first-world-war-second-a7394976.html

A bitter article created from the gut of the remainers who can't get over the referendum result. To call the poppy a symbol of racism is so patently stupid it beggars belief that Mr Fisk can tie his laces. You have people in countries around the world who wear the Poppy who aren't white, who remember ancestors they have who fought in WW1 and WW2, millions of them who weren't white.

All Mr Fisk has done is spit on their grave by insulting them. You might have an argument if you bring up the history as far as Imperialism and Empire goes but the actual values of the Poppy aren't racist and have never been intended to be racist. If it is racist then you must have a lot of people of colour in this world who wear the Poppy betraying themselves which is obviously ludicrous.

From the article he absolutely despises Theresa May and the people who voted to leave the EU. If Mr Fisk really doesn't like what happened in one of the great democratic moments in British history then he should write about that. What he has basically done is look at the time of the year it is and use the Poppy as a smokescreen to get in a bitter rant about a democratic decision.

I have family members who voted to remain, it's a perfectly respectable position to take but sooner or later people like Mr Fisk will have to learn to get over it, move on. The "war" is over, his side lost. I'd be saying the same thing if my own side lost, the people have spoken and Mr Fisk will just have to come to terms with that in time.

I had to laugh at the sentence in the article in which he said "Poppy wearers want to now throw out the Poles" while at the same time praising the Polish RAF fighter pilots which is absolute nonsense for a number of reasons. To make the claim that millions of British people who wear the Poppy or buy poppies want to throw Polish people out of the UK is absolute hyperbole bollocks, lying basically.

Having a go at TV presenters who wear the Poppy is also another dubious angle he has taken. Does he know the history of the family trees of many of these presenters? Maybe they respect the Armed Forces or have relatives who fought in WW1 or WW2 and see wearing the Poppy as their own way of remembering them and showing respect.

He certainly hasn't shown me any evidence whatsoever in that article that millions of people in the UK want to "throw" out Polish people based on what he alludes to as a form of racism. Talk about a huge leap of logic and what an insult to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people who voted remain who will be taking part in Remembrance Sunday and showing respect.

So unless someone falls down on your side of the argument they can fcuk off, does that sound about right..

A Little Pony · 07-11-2017 07:11PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

munsterlegend;105199535Robert Fisk's view on the poppy

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/poppy-symbol-of-racism-never-worn-one-never-will-robert-fisk-remembrance-day-first-world-war-second-a7394976.html

A bitter article created from the gut of the remainers who can't get over the referendum result. To call the poppy a symbol of racism is so patently stupid it beggars belief that Mr Fisk can tie his laces. You have people in countries around the world who wear the Poppy who aren't white, who remember ancestors they have who fought in WW1 and WW2, millions of them who weren't white.

All Mr Fisk has done is spit on their grave by insulting them. You might have an argument if you bring up the history as far as Imperialism and Empire goes but the actual values of the Poppy aren't racist and have never been intended to be racist. If it is racist then you must have a lot of people of colour in this world who wear the Poppy betraying themselves which is obviously ludicrous.

From the article he absolutely despises Theresa May and the people who voted to leave the EU. If Mr Fisk really doesn't like what happened in one of the great democratic moments in British history then he should write about that. What he has basically done is look at the time of the year it is and use the Poppy as a smokescreen to get in a bitter rant about a democratic decision.

I have family members who voted to remain, it's a perfectly respectable position to take but sooner or later people like Mr Fisk will have to learn to get over it, move on. The "war" is over, his side lost. I'd be saying the same thing if my own side lost, the people have spoken and Mr Fisk will just have to come to terms with that in time.

I had to laugh at the sentence in the article in which he said "Poppy wearers want to now throw out the Poles" while at the same time praising the Polish RAF fighter pilots which is absolute nonsense for a number of reasons. To make the claim that millions of British people who wear the Poppy or buy poppies want to throw Polish people out of the UK is absolute hyperbole bollocks, lying basically.

Having a go at TV presenters who wear the Poppy is also another dubious angle he has taken. Does he know the history of the family trees of many of these presenters? Maybe they respect the Armed Forces or have relatives who fought in WW1 or WW2 and see wearing the Poppy as their own way of remembering them and showing respect.

He certainly hasn't shown me any evidence whatsoever in that article that millions of people in the UK want to "throw" out Polish people based on what he alludes to as a form of racism. Talk about a huge leap of logic and what an insult to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people who voted remain who will be taking part in Remembrance Sunday and showing respect.

Personally, (and I didn't read the article yet) I think it is entirely possible to link the resurgence of the Poppy (and the seemingly growing size of the dang thing) to the shift in British politics that has led to Brexit.

Britain is empire mourning at the moment as it watches the UK slowly break apart. People are harking back to a 'glorious' era of British superiority whilst refusing steadfastly to accept that that superiority was built on the back of weaker countries, exploitation and their own version of the jackboot.

It's a national schizophrenia and Brexit is one of the results.

The Poppy isn't under any sort of resurgence from what I can see. I haven't noticed anything differently this year than in recent years. Maybe it's more visible on TV now but that is because we have more TV channels, more content now exists, so you see more people wearing it throughout the day, that is not the fault of the RBL.
Brexit happened because the citizens of the UK who voted didn't want to be part of the EU anymore, that is pretty much it. I don't put any such emphasis on people who wear the Poppy as being leavers, I think that is nonsense. It's a symbol worn by people from all sections of society.

dav3 · 07-11-2017 07:13PM

I'm surprised Leo wore the shamrock poppy today, I thought he'd be more of a full poppy kind of guy. Perhaps one of his many advisers talked him out of it.

It can be difficult to keep up with the rule on wearing emblems in the Dáil. One minute they’re screaming and shouting about the clothes and emblems that some people wear, claiming these people are doing it as a political stunt, the next minute they're swanning around with a shamrock poppy, bizarre.

Odhinn · 07-11-2017 07:16PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

The Poppy isn't under any sort of resurgence from what I can see. ............

It's become worse with each passing year over there.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2017/nov/07/david-squires-on-football-and-poppygate-2017

FrancieBrady · 07-11-2017 07:21PM

dav3 wrote: »

I'm surprised Leo wore the shamrock poppy today, I thought he'd be more of a full poppy kind of guy. Perhaps one of his many advisers talked him out of it.

It can be difficult to keep up with the rule on wearing emblems in the Dáil. One minute they’re screaming and shouting about the clothes and emblems that some people wear, claiming these people are doing it as a political stunt, the next minute they're swanning around with a shamrock poppy, bizarre.

:D I'd forgotten that actually. Seems it's ok to do for FG when it's a British Army thing.

Are we over the annual poppy thread?

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