Are we over the annual poppy thread?

tomwaterford · 07-11-2017 10:36AM

maryishere wrote: »

Given that loyalist death squads only achieved killing an average of one or two Republicans per year during the troubles, you would have to conclude the info they got (on identifying Republicans ) was not very good.

You are correct here....the glennane gang (security/paramilitary gang) killed 150 people....149 of whom were found to have zero involvement in republican activities

not yet · 07-11-2017 10:38AM

maryishere wrote: »

Given that loyalist death squads only achieved killing an average of one or two Republicans per year during the troubles, you would have to conclude the info they got (on identifying Republicans ) was not very good.
Set up a separate thread on the troubles if you want.
The good and decent 120,000 people who served with British forces in WW2 alone came from all backgrounds, classes, political affiliations.

You really need to go off and read up on Loyalist dead squads.

munsterlegend · 07-11-2017 10:40AM

A Little Pony wrote: »

My position remains the same on the Poppy. I don't like Mcclean and his character. So nothing has changed, I still think he is an idiot and loves the attention.

It's perfectly fine not to like an individual but you went beyond that. You have implied elsewhere you are somehow superior to him and also attacked where he is from. You insinuated he was disrespectful to NI players at West Brom by not wearing a poppy and without any foundation said this was divisive. On the other hand you state you can't expect an Irish republican to wear a poppy. Make up your mind.

munsterlegend · 07-11-2017 10:52AM

maryishere wrote: »

That is what he says, his excuse. Many other people in different countries respect those who made sacrifices in the armed forces in WW1 and WW2 because they are the biggest conflicts, when most people served, and they do not remember smaller conflicts, like the one in N. Ireland, where over 1000 soldiers lost their lives trying to keep the peace between 2 sides.

Either way, McLean owes his freedom to them and people like them, even though he may not realise it.

You have some nerve to call the killing of innocent people subsequently covered by the state an excuse. McClean and us all owe our freedom much more to the USA and Soviet Union who basically won the war. However you won't find any Irish lad rushing off to honour the Russians.

A Little Pony · 07-11-2017 10:56AM

munsterlegend;105195271

A Little Pony wrote: »

My position remains the same on the Poppy. I don't like Mcclean and his character. So nothing has changed, I still think he is an idiot and loves the attention.

It's perfectly fine not to like an individual but you went beyond that. You have implied elsewhere you are somehow superior to him and also attacked where he is from. You insinuated he was disrespectful to NI players at West Brom by not wearing a poppy and without any foundation said this was divisive. On the other hand you state you can't expect an Irish republican to wear a poppy. Make up your mind.

How? I never said he disrespected the NI players, I questioned how they would think of his behaviour but we will never truly know. My position has remained clear throughout the whole thread on the issue of the poppy, I don't like Mcclean character, I think he does have a chip on his shoulder over the past which is something only he can deal with.

I am on record as saying I think Mcclean wearing it would be an insult, he doesn't believe in it, he doesn't like it because of his hometown of Londonderry and what happened over 40 years ago. And no I wouldn't expect an Irish Republican to wear a Poppy, same way they wouldn't expect Unionists to wear an Easter Lilly.

This isn't rocket science, he doesn't want to wear it, doesn't have to and that's it. The same stuff is said every year on this issue and I have yet to see anyone changing the position on this thread or countless other threads and in society in general.

Both sides are certainly not going to change their minds, I myself won't be changing my personal view on the Poppy, like many of my fellow countrymen and women, I don't expect you to change your mind on it or the Easter Lilly.

not yet · 07-11-2017 10:57AM

munsterlegend wrote: »

You have some nerve to call the killing of innocent people subsequently covered by the state an excuse. McClean and us all owe our freedom much more to the USA and Soviet Union who basically won the war. However you won't find any Irish lad rushing off to honour the Russians.

Ah, but you see the above doesn't fit into her cosy little idea that Rule Britannia saved the world as we know it..

not yet · 07-11-2017 11:02AM

A Little Pony wrote: »

munsterlegend;105195271

It's perfectly fine not to like an individual but you went beyond that. You have implied elsewhere you are somehow superior to him and also attacked where he is from. You insinuated he was disrespectful to NI players at West Brom by not wearing a poppy and without any foundation said this was divisive. On the other hand you state you can't expect an Irish republican to wear a poppy. Make up your mind.

How? I never said he disrespected the NI players, I questioned how they would think of his behaviour but we will never truly know. My position has remained clear throughout the whole thread on the issue of the poppy, I don't like Mcclean character, I think he does have a chip on his shoulder over the past which is something only he can deal with.

I am on record as saying I think Mcclean wearing it would be an insult, he doesn't believe in it, he doesn't like it because of his hometown of Londonderry and what happened over 40 years ago. And no I wouldn't expect an Irish Republican to wear a Poppy, same way they wouldn't expect Unionists to wear an Easter Lilly.

This isn't rocket science, he doesn't want to wear it, doesn't have to and that's it. The same stuff is said every year on this issue and I have yet to see anyone changing the position on this thread or countless other threads and in society in general.

Both sides are certainly not going to change their minds, I myself won't be changing my personal view on the Poppy, like many of my fellow countrymen and women, I don't expect you to change your mind on it or the Easter Lilly.

That may well be, but you seem to have this strange idea that Great Britain saved the world as we know it, and that we owe our freedom to a British army that could never have 'won' the war without the yanks and Russians.

munsterlegend · 07-11-2017 11:12AM

A Little Pony wrote: »

munsterlegend;105195271

It's perfectly fine not to like an individual but you went beyond that. You have implied elsewhere you are somehow superior to him and also attacked where he is from. You insinuated he was disrespectful to NI players at West Brom by not wearing a poppy and without any foundation said this was divisive. On the other hand you state you can't expect an Irish republican to wear a poppy. Make up your mind.

How? I never said he disrespected the NI players, I questioned how they would think of his behaviour but we will never truly know. My position has remained clear throughout the whole thread on the issue of the poppy, I don't like Mcclean character, I think he does have a chip on his shoulder over the past which is something only he can deal with.

I am on record as saying I think Mcclean wearing it would be an insult, he doesn't believe in it, he doesn't like it because of his hometown of Londonderry and what happened over 40 years ago. And no I wouldn't expect an Irish Republican to wear a Poppy, same way they wouldn't expect Unionists to wear an Easter Lilly.

This isn't rocket science, he doesn't want to wear it, doesn't have to and that's it. The same stuff is said every year on this issue and I have yet to see anyone changing the position on this thread or countless other threads and in society in general.

Both sides are certainly not going to change their minds, I myself won't be changing my personal view on the Poppy, like many of my fellow countrymen and women, I don't expect you to change your mind on it or the Easter Lilly.

You somehow belittle a lad's reason for not wearing it as it happened 40 years ago and yet on the other hand the poppy is also marking events nearly a hundred years ago and beyond.

Let's face it a lot of British and Germans service people lost their lives due to notions of grandeur and forcing their military power and views on smaller nations. We know too well the legacy this left in Ireland. The Iraq war was another example of people needlessly losing their lives based on lies.

I don't wear an Easter lily as I associate it too much with sinn fein(who I don't support) and paramilitary violence from 1969 on. I understand people's reasons for going down that road but a deal should have been done at Sunningdale which is basically what we have now.

A Little Pony · 07-11-2017 11:41AM

not yet wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

munsterlegend;105195271

It's perfectly fine not to like an individual but you went beyond that. You have implied elsewhere you are somehow superior to him and also attacked where he is from. You insinuated he was disrespectful to NI players at West Brom by not wearing a poppy and without any foundation said this was divisive. On the other hand you state you can't expect an Irish republican to wear a poppy. Make up your mind.

How? I never said he disrespected the NI players, I questioned how they would think of his behaviour but we will never truly know. My position has remained clear throughout the whole thread on the issue of the poppy, I don't like Mcclean character, I think he does have a chip on his shoulder over the past which is something only he can deal with.

I am on record as saying I think Mcclean wearing it would be an insult, he doesn't believe in it, he doesn't like it because of his hometown of Londonderry and what happened over 40 years ago. And no I wouldn't expect an Irish Republican to wear a Poppy, same way they wouldn't expect Unionists to wear an Easter Lilly.

This isn't rocket science, he doesn't want to wear it, doesn't have to and that's it. The same stuff is said every year on this issue and I have yet to see anyone changing the position on this thread or countless other threads and in society in general.

Both sides are certainly not going to change their minds, I myself won't be changing my personal view on the Poppy, like many of my fellow countrymen and women, I don't expect you to change your mind on it or the Easter Lilly.

That may well be, but you seem to have this strange idea that Great Britain saved the world as we know it, and that we owe our freedom to a British army that could never have 'won' the war without the yanks and Russians.

That's weird because I have said the complete opposite, I have said it was an Allied effort. No one country saved anyone, that is just post war propaganda from whoever says it.

not yet · 07-11-2017 11:53AM

A Little Pony wrote: »

That's weird because I have said the complete opposite, I have said it was an Allied effort. No one country saved anyone, that is just post war propaganda from whoever says it.

Serious question here,

Do you agree the British army killed innocent people over the past 200 years.

And before you ask the answer is yes, I do think the IRA killed innocent people over the years.

Timberrrrrrrr · 07-11-2017 12:01PM

not yet wrote: »

Serious question here,

Do you agree the British army killed innocent people over the past 200 years.

And before you ask the answer is yes, I do think the IRA killed innocent people over the years.

Can you name an army that has gone to war and not killed innocent people over the last 200 years?

not yet · 07-11-2017 12:07PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Can you name an army that has gone to war and not killed innocent people over the last 200 years?

Obviously not, but the previous poster seems to hold the British army up as a paragon of virtue who saved the world whilst holding the high morale ground..

Timberrrrrrrr · 07-11-2017 12:07PM

not yet wrote: »

Obviously not, but the previous poster seems to hold the British army up as a paragon of virtue who saved the world whilst holding the high morale ground..

That's how you're choosing to read it.

07-11-2017 12:23PM

not yet wrote: »

You seriously have to be Joking with this comment.

James McClean is one of the quietest individuals who is playing football at the moment. He has made his position clear and let it at that. Show me anything,anywhere that proves he loves attention..

he took to social media straight after being selected to play for the Republic of Ireland, to take the piss out of Northern Ireland not qualifying for the euros. he also took the piss out of Rangers when they went bust.

On Saturday, he hacked someone down, got abuse from the crowd and then decided to square up to them (I'm surprised the FA haven't charged him for this) he then takes to social media again, to slam match of the day for not showing the bottle being thrown.

Even Martin O'Neill calls him a lunatic https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/martin-oneill-had-a-hilarious-response-when-asked-if-he-saw-james-mcclean-as-captain-material-103304

now if James McClean chooses not to wear a poppy, that is entirely his own decision and it should be respected, but please don't try and make the guy out to be some sort of saint who is constantly sinned against. he is a big boy and doesn't appear to go out of his way to avoid publicity.

not yet · 07-11-2017 12:24PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

That's how you're choosing to read it.

OK so..

A Little Pony · 07-11-2017 01:03PM

Aegir wrote: »

not yet wrote: »

You seriously have to be Joking with this comment.

James McClean is one of the quietest individuals who is playing football at the moment. He has made his position clear and let it at that. Show me anything,anywhere that proves he loves attention..

he took to social media straight after being selected to play for the Republic of Ireland, to take the piss out of Northern Ireland not qualifying for the euros. he also took the piss out of Rangers when they went bust.

On Saturday, he hacked someone down, got abuse from the crowd and then decided to square up to them (I'm surprised the FA haven't charged him for this) he then takes to social media again, to slam match of the day for not showing the bottle being thrown.

Even Martin O'Neill calls him a lunatic https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/martin-oneill-had-a-hilarious-response-when-asked-if-he-saw-james-mcclean-as-captain-material-103304

now if James McClean chooses not to wear a poppy, that is entirely his own decision and it should be respected, but please don't try and make the guy out to be some sort of saint who is constantly sinned against. he is a big boy and doesn't appear to go out of his way to avoid publicity.

That is the truth but as I am a Unionist and if I said it it means little for obvious reasons. But we know he isn't a saint, we know he loves the attention and loves mixing his politics with his football.

Odhinn · 07-11-2017 01:05PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

That is the truth but as I am a Unionist and if I said it it means little for obvious reasons. But we know he isn't a saint, we know he loves the attention and loves mixing his politics with his football.

....and he's bitter. Obsessed and bitter.

A Little Pony · 07-11-2017 01:07PM

Also I don't think Mcclean should take the piss out of the NI national team. We have players playing high level football in the Premier League, probably more than the ROI (maybe someone can research that for me) and currently rank higher in the FIFA rankings than the ROI.

not yet · 07-11-2017 01:13PM

Odhinn wrote: »

....and he's bitter. Obsessed and bitter.

But more importantly he's an uppity republican, thinking he can throw his weight around. How fcuking dare he refuse to wear a poppy, a poppy that men died for so he could come to England and earn a living..

The bigger picture here is the Unionist population in the North are poorly represented by greedy, stupid political gombeens who are stuck in the past.

The truth is the poppy is stained with the blood of innocent people worldwide.

munsterlegend · 07-11-2017 01:15PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Also I don't think Mcclean should take the piss out of the NI national team. We have players playing high level football in the Premier League, probably more than the ROI (maybe someone can research that for me) and currently rank higher in the FIFA rankings than the ROI.

I think the northern team would be better served focusing on trying to make their team more inclusive. It has improved from the depravity of 93 but it's still has a lot of work to do when writing to have something nearly half the community would never wear on their shirts.

Odhinn · 07-11-2017 01:17PM

not yet wrote: »

But more importantly he's an uppity republican, thinking he can throw his weight around. How fcuking dare he refuse to wear a poppy, a poppy that men died for so he could come to England and earn a living..

The bigger picture here is the Unionist population in the North are poorly represented by greedy, stupid political gombeens who are stuck in the past.

The truth is the poppy is stained with the blood of innocent people worldwide.

Ye'd wonder what part of "lie down croppy, lie down" he has trouble understanding.

WesternZulu · 07-11-2017 01:19PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

But we know he isn't a saint, we know he loves the attention and loves mixing his politics with his football.

Just like how the poppy appeal likes to mix their politics with their football?

not yet · 07-11-2017 01:20PM

WesternZulu wrote: »

Just like the poppy appeal likes to mix their politics with their football?

Shush, you can't say that, If it doesn't fit the agenda it's off the table..

not yet · 07-11-2017 01:21PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Ye'd wonder what part of "lie down croppy, lie down" he has trouble understanding.

I'd hazzard a guess at all of it..

munsterlegend · 07-11-2017 01:21PM

WesternZulu wrote: »

Just like the poppy appeal likes to mix their politics with their football?

I can't understand how FIFA have backtracked on this. How it's not deemed political beggars belief.

NIMAN · 07-11-2017 01:22PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

My position remains the same on the Poppy. I don't like Mcclean and his character. So nothing has changed, I still think he is an idiot and loves the attention.

You don't like a man who gives a lot of money to sick kids with serious diseases and illnesses, whose families can't afford to send them for operations or treatments?

You have a weird sense of what a good character is.

You know nothing about James, other than the fact that he appears in the media this time of the year.

You do know how much abuse he gets for his actions every November don't you? What do you think about English football fans verbally abusing him and throwing missiles at him? You think he deserves that?

munsterlegend · 07-11-2017 01:24PM

NIMAN wrote: »

You don't like a man who gives a lot of money to sick kids with serious diseases and illnesses, whose families can't afford to send them for operations or treatments?

You have a weird sense of what a good character is.

But sure he doesn't wear a poppy? The doors of heaven are locked unless you display one with pride.

Odhinn · 07-11-2017 01:25PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

But sure he doesn't wear a poppy? The doors of heaven are locked unless you display one with pride.

Look at the type who never wore one - Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Larry Murphy, Genghis Khan.

A Little Pony · 07-11-2017 01:52PM

NIMAN wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

My position remains the same on the Poppy. I don't like Mcclean and his character. So nothing has changed, I still think he is an idiot and loves the attention.

You don't like a man who gives a lot of money to sick kids with serious diseases and illnesses, whose families can't afford to send them for operations or treatments?

You have a weird sense of what a good character is.

You know nothing about James, other than the fact that he appears in the media this time of the year.

You do know how much abuse he gets for his actions every November don't you? What do you think about English football fans verbally abusing him and throwing missiles at him? You think he deserves that?

I give money to charity, I still think he's a twat. Doing charity doesn't mean a whole lot, you can still have bad traits as someone posted with links.

A Little Pony · 07-11-2017 01:54PM

not yet wrote: »

Odhinn wrote: »

....and he's bitter. Obsessed and bitter.

But more importantly he's an uppity republican, thinking he can throw his weight around. How fcuking dare he refuse to wear a poppy, a poppy that men died for so he could come to England and earn a living..

The bigger picture here is the Unionist population in the North are poorly represented by greedy, stupid political gombeens who are stuck in the past.

The truth is the poppy is stained with the blood of innocent people worldwide.

And of course the Republican section of society doesn't vote in ex terrorists responsible for the murders of hundreds of people.

Are we over the annual poppy thread?

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