Are we over the annual poppy thread?

Junkyard Tom · 06-11-2017 11:26PM

Ignore.

FrancieBrady · 06-11-2017 11:29PM

maryishere wrote: »

Like in the neutral countries that Hitler invaded? Nobody there was sent by the Nazis to extermination camps, to to work as slave labour?

If it was like that when McClean got born, that would be life.

Coulda, shoulda, maybe. You have no idea what the world would be like.

What ifs.

This is the world we live in, like plenty of Irish he cannot give respect to the British Army.

Who by the way in your 'what if' world would not have killed and brutalised parts of this country.
Works both ways your game.

maryishere · 06-11-2017 11:38PM

not yet wrote: »

You'll find most oversees players would prefer not to wear a poppy

Many millions of foreigners volunteered to fight with British forces in WW2 to defeat the Nazis. Many foreigners are respectful of those who stood up to Hitler in 1939 / 1940, and are glad someone did. Many foreigners are respectful of the country which gives them a very good living, and freedom. Few foreigners are of the same bitter disposition towards Britain as those Irish Republicans, Lord HawHaw and Sean Russell.

tomwaterford · 06-11-2017 11:41PM

maryishere wrote: »

Many millions of foreigners volunteered to fight with British forces in WW2 to defeat the Nazis. Many foreigners are respectful of those who stood up to Hitler in 1939 / 1940, and are glad someone did. Many foreigners are respectful of the country which gives them a very good living, and freedom. Few foreigners are of the same bitter disposition towards Britain as those Irish Republicans, Lord HawHaw and Sean Russell.

This is nothing to do with the post you've quoted....more copy and paste with a little irrelevant summery too:D

And I'm nearly sure where from too

06-11-2017 11:41PM

Hawhaw was an Irish republican??

FrancieBrady · 06-11-2017 11:42PM

maryishere wrote: »

Many millions of foreigners volunteered to fight with British forces in WW2 to defeat the Nazis. Many foreigners are respectful of those who stood up to Hitler in 1939 / 1940, and are glad someone did. Many foreigners are respectful of the country which gives them a very good living, and freedom. Few foreigners are of the same bitter disposition towards Britain as those Irish Republicans, Lord HawHaw and Sean Russell.

Except the freedom to choose who he has respect for. He doesn't respect the BA and he isn't going to wear a poppy no matter how big the bully is.

maryishere · 06-11-2017 11:44PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This is the world we live in.

Thanks to the likes of 120,000 brave Irishmen who served with British forces in WW2 alone it is. Respect is given to them, not to a few Irishmen like Lord Haw Haw and Sean Russell.

tomwaterford · 06-11-2017 11:46PM

maryishere wrote: »

Thanks to the likes of 120,000 brave Irishmen who served with British forces in WW2 alone it is. Respect is given to them, not to a few Republicans like Lord Haw Haw and Sean Russell.

And the part ireland McClean is from was a war zone which saw circa 30000 soldiers pass through it and he feels he can't wear the poopy and be part of his community anymore

Draw from this your own conclusions?

FrancieBrady · 06-11-2017 11:47PM

maryishere wrote: »

Thanks to the likes of 120,000 brave Irishmen who served with British forces in WW2 alone it is. Respect is given to them, not to a few Republicans like Lord Haw Haw and Sean Russell.

Well thanks lads. Thanks also to those who saw off the Vikings, The British and to St Patrick for getting rid of the snakes.

But I still won't be wearing a poppy.

maryishere · 06-11-2017 11:50PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Except the freedom to choose who he has respect for.

They died so he could have the freedom to choose, and so his jewish or gay or gypsy or communist etc fellow citizens could live. I am sure McLeans life as a professional footballer in England is infinitely more comfortable than Irish slaves of the Nazis: https://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/irish-slaves-of-the-nazis-remembered-28942912.html

Odhinn · 06-11-2017 11:53PM

So, just to summarise - If there's no poppy worn then Hitler won the war and won't allow paddies in the Bundesliga.

FrancieBrady · 06-11-2017 11:53PM

maryishere wrote: »

They died so he could have the freedom to choose, and so his jewish or gay or gypsy or communist etc fellow citizens could live. I am sure McLeans life as a professional footballer in England is infinitely more comfortable than Irish slaves of the Nazis: https://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/irish-slaves-of-the-nazis-remembered-28942912.html

What did his fellow city dwellers die for and who killed them on 30th Jan 1972?

maryishere · 07-11-2017 12:06AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What did his fellow city dwellers die for

A lot of people from Derry volunteered for the merchant navy in WW2: it was an important port city.

tomwaterford wrote: »

And the part ireland McClean is from was a war zone

War Zone? In all but one or 2 years in the early seventies, there were more people killed in road traffic accidents in N. Ireland than in violence. The troops sent there were to keep the peace / stop it getting like Syria. Overall in N. Ireland, there were 4 British soldiers killed for every person killed by the British military.

tomwaterford · 07-11-2017 12:13AM

maryishere wrote: »

War Zone? In all but one or 2 years in the early seventies, there were more people killed in road traffic accidents in N. Ireland than in violence. The troops sent there were to keep the peace.

Quiet what machine gunning civil right protesters and funneling money and info to loyalist death squads have to do with keeping the peace keeping remain to be seen??

07-11-2017 12:13AM

maryishere wrote: »

A lot of people from Derry volunteered for the merchant navy in WW2: it was an important port city.

That just makes Bloody Sunday all the more shameful though doesn't it

maryishere · 07-11-2017 12:21AM

riffmongous wrote: »

That just makes Bloody Sunday all the more shameful though doesn't it

It sure does, but there were other things shameful too, on all sides. There were over a thousand British soldiers killed in N. Ireland. A day or two before the Bloody Sunday Riots in Derry, Republicans there killed two policemen, one Catholic and One Protestant.

maryishere · 07-11-2017 12:28AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

money and info to loyalist death squads

Given that loyalist death squads only achieved killing an average of one or two Republicans per year during the troubles, you would have to conclude the info they got (on identifying Republicans ) was not very good.
Set up a separate thread on the troubles if you want.
The good and decent 120,000 people who served with British forces in WW2 alone came from all backgrounds, classes, political affiliations.

NIMAN · 07-11-2017 12:30AM

maryishere wrote: »

It sure does, but there were other things shameful too, on all sides. There were over a thousand British soldiers killed in N. Ireland. A day or two before the Bloody Sunday Riots in Derry, Republicans there killed two policemen, one Catholic and One Protestant.

Are you trying to justify the murder of innocent civil rights protesters?

It wasn't them that killed the policemen or soldiers.

maryishere · 07-11-2017 12:33AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Are you trying to justify the murder of innocent civil rights protesters?

Not at all : I said there were shameful things on all sides.

As I said, set up a separate thread on the troubles if you want.
The good and decent 120,000 Irish people who served with British forces in WW2 alone came from all backgrounds, classes, political affiliations.

end of the road · 07-11-2017 01:03AM

maryishere wrote: »

Given that loyalist death squads only achieved killing an average of one or two Republicans per year during the troubles, you would have to conclude the info they got (on identifying Republicans ) was not very good.

no their favourite tactic was murdering catholic civilians. based on information given to them from the security services.

maryishere wrote: »

The good and decent 120,000 people who served with British forces in WW2 alone came from all backgrounds, classes, political affiliations.

doesn't matter. nobody cares. the butcher's flower won't be worn and respected. the BA won't be respected. end of.

FrancieBrady · 07-11-2017 06:45AM

To be honest with you, I think people like McClean help to keep a lid on some of the arrogant, imperialistic gloating tbh.
He has probably saved some place from being bombed into the acceptance of Britain's gifts.

Imagine if all British people went on like some of the Irish who unflinchingly praise them.

maryishere · 07-11-2017 08:39AM

end of the road wrote: »

the BA won't be respected

Hundreds of thousands of Irishmen did not just serve in the British army, they also served in the navy, air force, merchant navy etc, to defend these islands. Yes they are respected by a lot of people. They are certainly respected more than the people you respect, the people who bombed Enniskillen. The great thing is, its a democracy, you can choose who you respect, others can choose who they respect. If it was not for those who stood up to the Nazis in 1939, 1940 etc, we would not live in a democracy. Unless you think those in the neutral countries over-ran by Hitler lived in a democracy?

The good and decent 120,000 Irish people who served with British forces in WW2 alone came from all backgrounds, classes, political affiliations. McLean owes his freedom to them and people like them, even though he may not realise it. Many sacrificed their lives for his freedom. Perhaps McLean would have preferred end up like the Irish slaves of the Nazis?
https://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/irish-slaves-of-the-nazis-remembered-28942912.html
You do know what Hitler thought of the Celtic peoples, not exactly the master-race in his eyes.

07-11-2017 08:55AM

maryishere wrote: »

Hundreds of thousands of Irishmen did not just serve in the British army, they also served in the navy, air force, merchant navy etc, to defend these islands. Yes they are respected by a lot of people. They are certainly respected more than the people you respect, the people who bombed Enniskillen. The great thing is, its a democracy, you can choose who you respect, others can choose who they respect. If it was not for those who stood up to the Nazis in 1939, 1940 etc, we would not live in a democracy. Unless you think those in the neutral countries over-ran by Hitler lived in a democracy?

The good and decent 120,000 Irish people who served with British forces in WW2 alone came from all backgrounds, classes, political affiliations. McLean owes his freedom to them and people like them, even though he may not realise it. Many sacrificed their lives for his freedom. Perhaps McLean would have preferred end up like the Irish slaves of the Nazis?
https://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/irish-slaves-of-the-nazis-remembered-28942912.html
You do know what Hitler thought of the Celtic peoples, not exactly the master-race in his eyes.

Thanks Mary, so McClean doesn't have to wear a poppy if he doesn't want to. Thread sorted...........

maryishere · 07-11-2017 09:09AM

Deleted User wrote: »

so McClean doesn't have to wear a poppy if he doesn't want to.

McClean has the freedom to go and earn a very good living in Britain, the freedom to play for a British team in front of British fans, and he has the freedom to not respect British traditions or be like the other 21 players on the pitch. Most of the British spectators at the matches have relatives who stood up to Germany in 2 world wars, and so ensured that Britain would be the sort of relatively peaceful stable democracy where people like McLean would be able to go to and earn big money.
As said before, McLean owes his freedom to them and people like them, even though he may not realise it.

07-11-2017 09:19AM

maryishere wrote: »

McClean has the freedom to go and earn a very good living in Britain, the freedom to play for a British team in front of British fans, and he has the freedom to not respect British traditions or be like the other 21 players on the pitch. Most of the British spectators at the matches have relatives who stood up to Germany in 2 world wars, and so ensured that Britain would be the sort of relatively peaceful stable democracy where people like McLean would be able to go to and earn big money.
As said before, McLean owes his freedom to them and people like them, even though he may not realise it.

And as its been mentioned already, McClean would wear one if just ww1 & 2 were being commemorated, but its not, hence his issues with the actions of the BA in Derry during the recent troubles. Seriously, are you reading others peoples posts at all?

maryishere · 07-11-2017 09:52AM

Deleted User wrote: »

McClean would wear one if just ww1 & 2 were being commemorated,

That is what he says, his excuse. Many other people in different countries respect those who made sacrifices in the armed forces in WW1 and WW2 because they are the biggest conflicts, when most people served, and they do not remember smaller conflicts, like the one in N. Ireland, where over 1000 soldiers lost their lives trying to keep the peace between 2 sides.

Either way, McLean owes his freedom to them and people like them, even though he may not realise it.

not yet · 07-11-2017 10:08AM

maryishere wrote: »

That is what he says, his excuse. Many other people in different countries respect those who made sacrifices in the armed forces in WW1 and WW2 because they are the biggest conflicts, when most people served, and they do not remember smaller conflicts, like the one in N. Ireland, where over 1000 soldiers lost their lives trying to keep the peace between 2 sides.

Either way, McLean owes his freedom to them and people like them, even though he may not realise it.

You seem to constantly ignore the 10s of thousands of innocent people murdered by your wonderful British army worldwide over the past 200 years, where is their freedom, where is their right to live in peace. You can trot out the same narrative over and over again, it doesn't change the fact the British war machine has murdered, raped and pillaged for centuries.

And still to top all this you try and ram the poppy down peoples throat, no thanks...my forefathers fought and died for MY FREEDOM and the only flower I will be wearing is the Easter Lily.

07-11-2017 10:09AM

maryishere wrote: »

That is what he says, his excuse. Many other people in different countries respect those who made sacrifices in the armed forces in WW1 and WW2 because they are the biggest conflicts, when most people served, and they do not remember smaller conflicts, like the one in N. Ireland, where over 1000 soldiers lost their lives trying to keep the peace between 2 sides.

Either way, McLean owes his freedom to them and people like them, even though he may not realise it.

Sorry, its not an excuse. Bloody Sunday and the Ballymurphy massacre happened Mary. You want people to contribute to a charity that might look after people that could have been involved in these criminal events? Pathetic and actually insulting to the victims and their relatives.

A Little Pony · 07-11-2017 10:23AM

munsterlegend wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Even if the Bloody Sunday reason didn't exist he doesn't have to wear one if he doesn't want to. It's his choice, personal freedom which he is entitled to. Same way you can't force anyone to wear an Easter Lilly, same with this. Chances of an Irish Republican wearing a Poppy is pretty slim to begin with.

Some backtracking on your appalling personal attack earlier on a lad who has worked hard and made the most of his ability. the mask slipped and the bile came pouring out.

My position remains the same on the Poppy. I don't like Mcclean and his character. So nothing has changed, I still think he is an idiot and loves the attention.

not yet · 07-11-2017 10:28AM

A Little Pony wrote: »

My position remains the same on the Poppy. I don't like Mcclean and his character. So nothing has changed, I still think he is an idiot and loves the attention.

You seriously have to be Joking with this comment.

James McClean is one of the quietest individuals who is playing football at the moment. He has made his position clear and let it at that. Show me anything,anywhere that proves he loves attention..

Are we over the annual poppy thread?

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