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Are we over the annual poppy thread?

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  • #752
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    maryishere wrote: »
    He dos not just earn a wage: he earns a lot of money

    So only rich people should wear the poppy??


  • #753
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    maryishere wrote: »
    The majority of those who respect the poppy are remembering those who died and made sacrifices during WW1 and WW2, so the likes of McLean could live in peace and relative prosperity. WW1 and WW2 were by far the biggest conflicts.

    120,000 Irishmen volunteered to fight Hitler in WW2 alone. Many more served in other areas eg merchant navy. If nobody stood up against Hitler, McLean may not have a choice to wear a poppy or not. Look at how those from even neutral countries invaded by Hitler were treated.

    So what your saying then is we should respect McClean's choice not to wear a poppy if he doesn't want to?


  • #754
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Even if the Bloody Sunday reason didn't exist he doesn't have to wear one if he doesn't want to. It's his choice, personal freedom which he is entitled to. Same way you can't force anyone to wear an Easter Lilly, same with this. Chances of an Irish Republican wearing a Poppy is pretty slim to begin with.


  • #755
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    So only rich people should wear the poppy??

    I wonder what the cut off point is? 1000 a week? Before or after tax?


  • #756
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Even if the Bloody Sunday reason didn't exist he doesn't have to wear one if he doesn't want to. It's his choice, personal freedom which he is entitled to. Same way you can't force anyone to wear an Easter Lilly, same with this. Chances of an Irish Republican wearing a Poppy is pretty slim to begin with.

    This is a remarkably reasonable position for yous to take??


    I commend this :)


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  • #757
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/film-tv/news/nicole-scherzinger-my-poppy-fell-off-on-x-factor-36296009.html

    Poppy disrespect, she let her poppy touch the ground.


  • #758
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Even if the Bloody Sunday reason didn't exist he doesn't have to wear one if he doesn't want to. It's his choice, personal freedom which he is entitled to. Same way you can't force anyone to wear an Easter Lilly, same with this. Chances of an Irish Republican wearing a Poppy is pretty slim to begin with.

    Some backtracking on your appalling personal attack earlier on a lad who has worked hard and made the most of his ability. the mask slipped and the bile came pouring out.


  • #759
    not yet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    This is a remarkably reasonable position for yous to take??


    I commend this :)


    Close the thread we're done..


  • #760
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So what your saying then is we should respect McClean's choice not to wear a poppy if he doesn't want to?

    He has a choice : if it were not for those who are remembered by the Poppy, he probably would not be playing football for a professional team in England, in freedom.


  • #761
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,746 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Maybe scumbag is a bit harsh but I wish the whole Poppy fiasco would die out with Mcclean and he can focus on his football and not give the media the clickbait they need.


    it's not his fault the media and the extreme element of british society are making a spectical of this non-issue. using it as a political football for their anti-irishness. our boy james is no scumbag but a true irish hero for refusing to wear the butchers flower, called as such because it has been hi-jacked by extremists to remember crimes against humanity, rather then WWII as originally intended. refusing to subscribe to poppy fascism/terrorism is the correct stance.
    maryishere wrote: »
    He dos not just earn a wage: he earns a lot of money. 21 out of the 22 players on the pitch show respect to the fallen, those who made sacrifices. Those who gave their tomorrows so others could have their todays.


    so be it, james does not want to subscribe to poppy terrorism and he is correct to do so

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • #762
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,138 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    maryishere wrote: »
    He has a choice : if it were not for those who are remembered by the Poppy, he probably would not be playing football for a professional team in England, in freedom.

    that freedom includes the freedom to wear a poppy or not. otherwise its not very free is it?


  • #763
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    maryishere wrote: »
    He has a choice : if it were not for those who are remembered by the Poppy, he probably would not be playing football for a professional team in England, in freedom.

    A professional team owned by the Chinese. James by right should also go and pay respects to Mao on a yearly basis. He earns enough to do it.


  • #764
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    maryishere wrote: »
    He has a choice : if it were not for those who are remembered by the Poppy, he probably would not be playing football for a professional team in England, in freedom.

    Nazi's were going banning professional football?


  • #765
    Elmer Blooker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,425 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    maryishere wrote: »
    One way of saying it. I also think that McClean earns his living in Britain, plays for a British team in front of British fans, and should consequently respect British traditions. But for those who stood up to Germany in 2 world wars, McLean would not be able to go to Britain and earn big money there.
    Dutch footballer Robin van Persie is now earning a living in Turkey, should he convert to Islam?
    For the record, McClean has stated that if the poppy only commemorated the dead of the two World Wars he would have no problem wearing a poppy.
    He said: “If the poppy was simply about World War One and Two victims alone, I’d wear it without a problem.”


  • #766
    not yet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    maryishere wrote: »
    He has a choice : if it were not for those who are remembered by the Poppy, he probably would not be playing football for a professional team in England, in freedom.

    You do realise the British army have murdered more innocent people worldwide then you could shake a poppy at..?


  • #767
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    Nazi's were going banning professional football?

    Indeed in the neutral countries they invaded, jews, gays, gypsies, communists etc there were sent to extermination camps, and some other citizens ended up as slave workers. So McLean should be grateful someone stood up to the Nazis in 1940, at least.

    not yet wrote: »
    You do realise the British army have murdered more innocent people worldwide then you could shake a poppy at..?

    Another Irishman, Lord HawHaw, used to say that, and Sean Russell used to think along those lines too. I would prefer respect the 120,000 Irishmen who volunteered to serve with Allied forces in WW2 alone, and who did not "murder more innocent people worldwide then you could shake a poppy at".


  • #768
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    maryishere wrote: »
    Indeed in the neutral countries they invaded, jews, gays, gypsies, communists etc there were sent to extermination camps, and some other citizens ended up as slave workers. So McLean should be grateful someone stood up to the Nazis in 1940, at least

    ^^^What has this to do with banning professional football?? :confused:





    Your just copying and pasting stuff now without reading :D:D:D. ...as suspected


  • #769
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You have ex service men and women depending on charity and handouts from the public and the same public are paying for a monarchy who are ferreting their millions out of the sight of the taxman.

    Some neck to be talking about honour and respect.


  • #770
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,853 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    end of the road wrote: »
    so be it, james does not want to subscribe to poppy terrorism and he is correct to do so

    WTF is poppy terrorism? Are there giant triffid like poppies strapping suicide vests on and blowing up shopping centers?


  • #771
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    ^^^What has this to do with banning professional football?? :confused:
    If Hitler invaded the UK / won the battle of Britain etc, and Britain caved in during 1940, do you really think the likes of McLean would be a well paid footballer in England, and living in freedom now?

    Do not forget how some Irish slaves of the Nazis were treated:
    https://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/irish-slaves-of-the-nazis-remembered-28942912.html


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  • #772
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You have ex service men and women depending on charity and handouts from the public .

    And most of the public giving them respect, judging by 21 out of 22 players on the field anyway.


  • #773
    kingchess
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭kingchess


    maryishere wrote: »
    Indeed in the neutral countries they invaded, jews, gays, gypsies, communists and the Bastards who refused to wear the Poppy were sent to extermination camps, and some other citizens ended up as slave workers. So McLean should be grateful someone stood up to the Nazis in 1940, at least.
    Could not resist changing you post a wee bit,that is just the kind of blackgaurd I am:P


  • #774
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    maryishere wrote: »
    If Hitler invaded the UK / won the battle of Britain etc, and Britain caved in during 1940, do you really think the likes of McLean would be a well paid footballer in England, and living in freedom now?

    Do you have anything to suggest he wouldn't be a footballer??

    Pretty sure Nazi's had no plans on outlawing sport...may even have held an Olympics???




    You aren't even attempting to hold a basis in reality with your points anymore :(


  • #775
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    maryishere wrote: »
    He has a choice : if it were not for those who are remembered by the Poppy, he probably would not be playing football for a professional team in England, in freedom.

    Do you need a poppy to remember? Jon Snow's grandfather was Sir Thomas D’Oyly Snow, who served as an officer in the BA in ww1.


  • #776
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    maryishere wrote: »
    And most of the public giving them respect, judging by 21 out of 22 players on the field anyway.

    And why wouldn't they if they wanted to?

    Some Irish people cannot give blanket respect to the British Army. It isn't gonna happen, they did too much damage.


  • #777
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    Do you have anything to suggest he wouldn't be a footballer??
    (

    If Hitler had won, do you think there would be a professional football league in the UK with everyone having great freedom there....and people like McLean earning big money? You do realise some former Olympians in countries Hitler invaded ended up in extermination camps?


  • #778
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    maryishere wrote: »
    If Hitler had won, do you think there would be a professional football league in the UK?

    Yes?
    (Probably still be shíte like it is now)


    Have you anything to suggest otherwise?


  • #779
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    maryishere wrote: »
    If Hitler had won, do you think there would be a professional football league in the UK with everyone having great freedom there....and people like McLean earning big money? You do realise some former Olympians in countries Hitler invaded ended up in extermination camps?

    Hitler was never gonna win. The Yanks and Russians saved the day.

    McClean, like everyone else would have been free to make a living.


  • #780
    not yet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    maryishere wrote: »
    And most of the public giving them respect, judging by 21 out of 22 players on the field anyway.

    You'll find most oversees players would prefer not to wear a poppy, but because of people like you they decide to wear one rather then run the gauntlet of sh1t show by some people.


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  • #781
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    McClean, like everyone else would have been free to make a living.

    Like in the neutral countries that Hitler invaded? Nobody there was sent by the Nazis to extermination camps, to to work as slave labour?

    Maybe you think slaves of the Nazis - like the Irishmen below - would have been allowed out to watch the likes of McLean, and contribute to his lifestyle?
    https://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/irish-slaves-of-the-nazis-remembered-28942912.html


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