Are we over the annual poppy thread?

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 07:49PM

Jawgap wrote: »

I'm not trying to dilute anything except my MI-Wadi

Hopefully stadium cctv will identify the thugs and they'll get their deserved punishment.

You have been doing it since the start of the thread.
Bizarre really.

Jawgap · 05-11-2017 07:55PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You have been doing it since the start of the thread.
Bizarre really.

Eh, no.

Someone else introduced McLean on both occasions in this thread and I simply responded to points made.

In this most recent case, like the Derry story I linked, it's nothing to do with poppies and everything to do with the thuggish element soccer seems to attract. In the case of McLean it seems pretty clear stuff was thrown at him because of lack of finesse in the tackle, rather than the want of a poppy on his shirt.

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 08:02PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Eh, no.

Someone else introduced McLean on both occasions in this thread and I simply responded to points made.

In this most recent case, like the Derry story I linked, it's nothing to do with poppies and everything to do with the thuggish element soccer seems to attract. In the case of McLean it seems pretty clear stuff was thrown at him because of lack of finesse in the tackle, rather than the want of a poppy on his shirt.

How do you know this?

The West Brom fan site seems to think the abuse he was given was enough to warrant not starting him at all.

And I didn't say you introduced McClean to the discussion but everytime he is mentioned you attempt to dilute what has happened him.

Jawgap · 05-11-2017 08:10PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How do you know this?

The West Brom fan site seems to think the abuse he was given was enough to warrant not starting him at all.

And I didn't say you introduced McClean to the discussion but everytime he is mentioned you attempt to dilute what has happened him.

Ok you keep using the word 'dilute'

......he fouled the Huddersfield lad, and then there's a reaction.....maybe it's a post hoc fallacy on my part but I'm going with the idea that his foul prompted the throwing of the missiles, or else they'd have continued bombarding him for the rest of the game. Were any other items hurled at him at any other time during the game?

As I said, soccer seems to attract a thuggish element and this type of thing happens, per the Derry and Sterling stories I linked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLQhLB-tGiE

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 08:13PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Ok you keep using the word 'dilute'

......he fouled the Huddersfield lad, and then there's a reaction.....maybe it's a post hoc fallacy on my part but I'm going with the idea that his foul prompted the throwing of the missiles, or else they'd have continued bombarding him for the rest of the game. Were any other items hurled at him at any other time during the game?

As I said, soccer seems to attract a thuggish element and this type of thing happens, per the Derry and Sterling stories I linked

So your claim is that every opposing player gets pelted with objects when they make a tackle?
Huddersfield would be out of the league if that was remotely true.

Jawgap · 05-11-2017 08:34PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So your claim is that every opposing player gets pelted with objects when they make a tackle?
Huddersfield would be out of the league if that was remotely true.

Oh dear, dear, dear......

......no, but sometimes it happens.

For example, during the week Villa's keeper had a bottle thrown at him. A few days before a Spurs fan threw a pint of pi$$ at some Hammers fans, the week before a Chelsea fan threw a bottle at an assistant referee......and in Germany a manager threw a bottle at the spectators.

It happens. As I said there's a thuggish element in soccer they've yet to fully eliminate, despite the progress made since the 1970s.

And Huddersfield may yet be fined for the incident.

Avatar MIA · 05-11-2017 08:51PM

Jawgap wrote: »

.....nothing to do with him not wearing a poppy or they'd be flinging stuff at him for every minute he was on the pitch.

From the website you linked...

James McLean was always going to get a heated reception for his refusal to wear a poppy on his shirt, and it was perhaps no surprise to see him start the match from the bench.

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 08:58PM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

From the website you linked...

James McLean was always going to get a heated reception for his refusal to wear a poppy on his shirt, and it was perhaps no surprise to see him start the match from the bench.

It will be diluted down to being just a normal Saturday. These guys are in total denial.

Jawgap · 05-11-2017 09:06PM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

From the website you linked...

James McLean was always going to get a heated reception for his refusal to wear a poppy on his shirt, and it was perhaps no surprise to see him start the match from the bench.

Ok, outside the immediate hail of objects following the foul he committed on Ince, how many other times during the match were objects thrown at him?

And of course the home fans are going to niggle a visiting player - that's what the paper means by a heated reception......but you knew that anyway :rolleyes:

Avatar MIA · 05-11-2017 09:09PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Ok, outside the immediate hail of objects following the foul he committed on Ince, how many other times during the match were objects thrown at him?

I wasn't at the match and and a known incident wasn't shown, but he was kept on the bench for most of the game, apparently to avoid abuse.

So, it's affecting his career.

05-11-2017 09:10PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So your claim is that every opposing player gets pelted with objects when they make a tackle?
Huddersfield would be out of the league if that was remotely true.

lets get this right.

James McClean made a lunge that could have broken a players leg. He got abuse from the crowd for it (as would happen in every stadium in every country in the world), decides to square up to the crowd and get things thrown at him.

and it is all to do with Poppies and racism?

Tom Mann Centuria · 05-11-2017 09:13PM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

I wasn't at the match and and a known incident wasn't shown, but he was kept on the bench for most of the game, apparently to avoid abuse.

So, it's affecting his career.

He's been on the bench the past few weeks, he's not a starter for West Brom recently. Nothing to do with poppy thing.

Jawgap · 05-11-2017 09:15PM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

I wasn't at the match and and a known incident wasn't shown, but he was kept on the bench for most of the game, apparently to avoid abuse.

So, it's affecting his career.

No, that's just good management. If Pulis thought he had the temperament to handle the jeering, booing and chanting that the Terriers' fans were inevitably going to assail him with, he'd have played him (assuming he was fit, and it suited the game plan).

Happens all the time. Players get dropped because of their notoriety in a particular context.....for example going back to an old club, especially if you've gone to a rival.

And McLean will get more abuse next time because people will remember the tackle.....that's neither fair, nor right, but it's soccer and that, unfortunately, is the supporters' culture.

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 09:16PM

Aegir wrote: »

lets get this right.

James McClean made a lunge that could have broken a players leg. He got abuse from the crowd for it (as would happen in every stadium in every country in the world), decides to square up to the crowd and get things thrown at him.

and it is all to do with Poppies and racism?

Yep, a normal Saturday. Move on, nothing to see. Dilution complete.

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 09:20PM

Jawgap wrote: »

No, that's just good management. If Pulis thought he had the temperament to handle the jeering, booing and chanting that the Terriers' fans were inevitably going to assail him with, he'd have played him (assuming he was fit, and it suited the game plan).

Happens all the time. Players get dropped because of their notoriety in a particular context.....for example going back to an old club, especially if you've gone to a rival.

And McLean will get more abuse next time because people will remember the tackle.....that's neither fair, nor right, but it's soccer and that, unfortunately, is the supporters' culture.

For somebody who 'stopped taking much interest in soccer' you sound very clued into West Brom managerial decisions.

blackwhite · 05-11-2017 09:20PM

I see there’s Neanderthals floating around the northwest at the moment - although I’m sure we’ve a few in here who think those who vandalized a memorial should be lauded :rolleyes:

One of the locals involved in placing the memorial there is a strong supporter of Chris McManus (had an English grandfather in the navy in WW2) - he clearly hasn’t been “educated” on what a “good republican” should think/do in relation to the poppy.

http://www.thejournal.ie/poppies-damaged-sligo-3680327-Nov2017/

Jawgap · 05-11-2017 09:22PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

He's been on the bench the past few weeks, he's not a starter for West Brom recently. Nothing to do with poppy thing.

Looks like the last start he had was 22 Aug against Accrington in the EFL Cup, since then he's only featured as a sub. His last premiership start was 19 Aug against Burnley.....

Tom Mann Centuria · 05-11-2017 09:26PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Looks like the last start he had was 22 Aug against Accrington in the EFL Cup, since then he's only featured as a sub. His last premiership start was 19 Aug against Burnley.....

Normally gets a fair amount of time on the pitch, Pulis throws him on quite early, but yeah, only a sub for last while.

05-11-2017 09:26PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yep, a normal Saturday. Move on, nothing to see. Dilution complete.

James McClean coming off the bench and getting booked?

Yeah, it is actually.

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-11-2017 09:27PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yep, a normal Saturday. Move on, nothing to see. Dilution complete.

No

You're taking a situation (you keep skipping over the dangerous tackle) and trying to make out that he was abused over his poppy stance. This was nothingbto do with his thoughts/refusal to wear a poppy and ALL about his dangerous tackle!

But hey, you keep showhorning in the scenario that it was poppy related you're giving is all a good laugh if nothing else.

Jawgap · 05-11-2017 09:28PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

For somebody who 'stopped taking much interest in soccer' you sound very clued into West Brom managerial decisions.

Yeah, pretty much stopped taking an active interest about 10 years ago. Reffed the game to a decent level when I worked in the UK, but I still remember how to coach, and 'man management' is an everyday part of my job....

......leading a team is leading a team whether it's sports or business.....I'm not going to push someone who is temperamentally questionable in front of a client to do a pressure pitch any more than the coach/manager of sports team would put in a player he has concerns over.......management 101.....pick the best team to execute the plan, not necessarily the best individuals.

Jawgap · 05-11-2017 09:31PM

Aegir wrote: »

James McClean coming off the bench and getting booked?

Yeah, it is actually.

12 appearances and 6 yellows......but even allowing for the tackle on Ince I wouldn't describing him as a 'dirty' player, but he is combative and physical - the ball may pass him, the man may pass him.....but never the two together

05-11-2017 09:35PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No

You're taking a situation (you keep skipping over the dangerous tackle) and trying to make out that he was abused over his poppy stance. This was nothingbto do with his thoughts/refusal to wear a poppy and ALL about his dangerous tackle!

But hey, you keep showhorning in the scenario that it was poppy related you're giving is all a good laugh if nothing else.

All about his dangerous tackle? Come off it, no one is that naive

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-11-2017 09:37PM

riffmongous wrote: »

All about his dangerous tackle? Come off it, no one is that naive

Was he abused or had objects thrown at him before the tackle?

05-11-2017 09:41PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Was he abused or had objects thrown at him before the tackle?

Bad tackles happen every single week and coin incidents are not common enough for this to be a coincidence. Was it all about the poppy? No. Was it all about the tackle? Not a chance.

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 09:45PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Was he abused or had objects thrown at him before the tackle?

He has been abused for years. :rolleyes:

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-11-2017 09:48PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He has been abused for years. :rolleyes:

Keep shoehorning francie it's the same every year in these threads

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 09:51PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Keep shoehorning francie it's the same every year in these threads

As does the same pathetic defence.

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-11-2017 09:52PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As does the same pathetic defence.

No one is defending the abuse Mcclean got.

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 11:13PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No one is defending the abuse Mcclean got.

Oh I think people will judge for themselves on that one tbh.

Are we over the annual poppy thread?

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