Are we over the annual poppy thread?

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 11:09AM

Jawgap wrote: »

Actually, the CWGC are probably more the equivalent of the NGA.

And it's always been the case that money donated to the RBL in Ireland stays in Ireland. Plus the fact remains that even if the RBL are funding initiatives that support commemoration, the bulk of funds still go towards helping actual people and their families.

And given the recent charity scandals here, I'd say there's nothing wrong with checking a charity's accounts before donating to see if your comfortable with what they're doing, where and how much they spend on admin. It's like the crowd I do a bit of voluntary work for - I deliberately picked one that's local and spends less than 5% of money raised on admin/overheads.

Personally I think Britain should be paying for the total care of those it got injured in any war. If you keep needing men and women to put their lives and health on the line i warfare, it is only right, would you not think?

If it wasn't for the RBL, they simply wouldn't get the line of men and women to keeping enlisting I suppose.

I still can't get that image out of my head by the way - asked for a small donation, you ask to see the accounts.

Jawgap · 05-11-2017 11:20AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Personally I think Britain should be paying for the total care of those it got injured in any war. If you keep needing men and women to put their lives and health on the line i warfare, it is only right, would you not think?

If it wasn't for the RBL, they simply wouldn't get the line of men and women to keeping enlisting I suppose.

I still can't get that image out of my head by the way - asked for a small donation, you ask to see the accounts.

No, I use this thing called the internet - it's great.

And, tbh, the charities I donate to/work with have never asked for a donation - as I said after the Irish State failed my uncle and his family and the RBL stepped in I made a donation (and have done this last few years) in his name as a small gesture of thanks.

I donate to ONE after hearing about their work when I was speaking at a conference.....and when I dug into it a bit, I read about the Brú Na Bhfiann hostel and thought that was definitely worth supporting.

And I agree people who serve should be well look after by whatever state asks them to do so.

Incidentally, soldiering and the profession of arms, isn't just about warfare - indeed it's rarely about warfare - but I'm unsurprised that you have such a narrow view.

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 11:44AM

Jawgap wrote: »

No, I use this thing called the internet - it's great.

And, tbh, the charities I donate to/work with have never asked for a donation - as I said after the Irish State failed my uncle and his family and the RBL stepped in I made a donation (and have done this last few years) in his name as a small gesture of thanks.

I donate to ONE after hearing about their work when I was speaking at a conference.....and when I dug into it a bit, I read about the Brú Na Bhfiann hostel and thought that was definitely worth supporting.

And I agree people who serve should be well look after by whatever state asks them to do so.

Incidentally, soldiering and the profession of arms, isn't just about warfare - indeed it's rarely about warfare - but I'm unsurprised that you have such a narrow view.

All charities use PR, the purpose of which is to overtly or subtly request/prompt donations. The RBL have a huge PR effort, paid for no doubt from your donations. Lets not pretend it all goes to veterans.

I know what soldiering involves and that is why I specifically said a state that, 'keeps needing men and women to put their lives and health on the line in warfare' should look after them.
Curiously we have an army and don't have a continual need for them to go to war.
I think that the RBL is part of the PR machine for the BA by glorifying the deaths and injury of thousands of men and women.

p.s. I donate to a list of charities, I have never looked for accounts or checked online. Especially not if it is a relatively small donation.
Fecking spendthrift me!

Jawgap · 05-11-2017 12:04PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All charities use PR, the purpose of which is to overtly or subtly request/prompt donations. The RBL have a huge PR effort, paid for no doubt from your donations. Lets not pretend it all goes to veterans.

I know what soldiering involves and that is why I specifically said a state that, 'keeps needing men and women to put their lives and health on the line in warfare' should look after them.
Curiously we have an army and don't have a continual need for them to go to war.
I think that the RBL is part of the PR machine for the BA by glorifying the deaths and injury of thousands of men and women.

p.s. I donate to a list of charities, I have never looked for accounts or checked online. Especially not if it is a relatively small donation.
Fecking spendthrift me!

Well, on so many levels, my joy remains unbounded that we have so little in common - I'm glad I can add this to the list.

blackwhite · 05-11-2017 12:09PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Bleating about SF doing something does not answer the questions about wearing the poppy and what it represents.

Strangely enough, your standard response to any thread criticising the IRA, or Sinn Fein, is normally to start “bleating about the Brit’s or unionists doing something”

Consistent as always Francie......

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 12:20PM

blackwhite wrote: »

Strangely enough, your standard response to any thread criticising the IRA, or Sinn Fein, is normally to start “bleating about the Brit’s or unionists doing something”

Consistent as always Francie......

Oh they'll get SF into it somehow, but it doesn't answer the questions asked.

If I am anything, I am honest in my opinion.
I don't pretend about my reasons for doing something or not doing something.
IMO donating to the RBL is a political act, defined by them - 'show your support for the Armed Forces, past and present by wearing a poppy' as is wearing an Easter Lily.
I wear neither.

Avatar MIA · 05-11-2017 12:21PM

markodaly wrote: »

The Republic of Ireland is a country that has a constitution which enshrines and protects freedom of expression. So, it does not matter how offended you are about a poppy or how many times you ask a person to remove it or how much you think its then forced upon you. It does not really matter

The constitution protects that persons right to wear a poppy.

It does, and fair enough. It's a pity those that refuse to wear it can be attacked in front of 10's of thousands of people, and for it to be ignored. What were the soldiers fighting for again - freedom was it?

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 04:48PM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

It does, and fair enough. It's a pity those that refuse to wear it can be attacked in front of 10's of thousands of people, and for it to be ignored. What were the soldiers fighting for again - freedom was it?

And on it goes...

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/james-mcclean-cowards-threw-bottles-coins-and-lighters-at-me-1.3280657

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-11-2017 04:52PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And on it goes...

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/james-mcclean-cowards-threw-bottles-coins-and-lighters-at-me-1.3280657

A few Neanderthals in a crowd of thousands.

05-11-2017 05:39PM

It seems it's being completely ignored by the British media

Avatar MIA · 05-11-2017 05:49PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

A few Neanderthals in a crowd of thousands.

ONLY one player assaulted a fan recently and it made international news. So, numbers don't necessarily matter for reportage. And why you only think a few were involved is beyond me, it's well documented he gets torrents of abuse.

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-11-2017 06:22PM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

ONLY one player assaulted a fan recently and it made international news. So, numbers don't necessarily matter for reportage. And why you only think a few were involved is beyond me, it's well documented he gets torrents of abuse.

How many do you think it was?

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 06:33PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How many do you think it was?

What's your source for 'a few'?

Avatar MIA · 05-11-2017 06:36PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How many do you think it was?

It's hard to say due to the lack of coverage. Going by McClean he was pelted by coins, bottles and lighters. Hardly just a few then. Plus, it's not X number among thousands, it was X number amongst those in throwing distance.

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-11-2017 06:36PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What's your source for 'a few'?

Well if there were hundreds throwing missiles it definitely would have made the news or been shown on some source of social media, now as this hasn't happened I'm going to go with my original assertations that it was a tiny minority of Neanderthals (the same type who make monkey noises or throw bananas at black players)

Please feel free to correct me though if you manage to find a source that says it was more than a tiny minority who committed these disgusting acts.

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 06:53PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Well if there were hundreds throwing missiles it definitely would have made the news or been shown on some source of social media, now as this hasn't happened I'm going to go with my original assertations that it was a tiny minority of Neanderthals (the same type who make monkey noises or throw bananas at black players)

Please feel free to correct me though if you manage to find a source that says it was more than a tiny minority who committed these disgusting acts.

So you made it up.

And what difference does it make how many did it, or do it?

If you read any of the reportage or online commentary about this you would know that his stance has angered and prompted comment from more than 'a few'.

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-11-2017 06:57PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So you made it up.

And what difference does it make how many did it, or do it?

If you read any of the reportage or online commentary about this you would know that his stance has angered and prompted comment from more than 'a few'.

So no source to show it was more than a tiny minority?

No surprise there.

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-11-2017 06:57PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So you made it up.

And what difference does it make how many did it, or do it?

If you read any of the reportage or online commentary about this you would know that his stance has angered and prompted comment from more than 'a few'.

So no source to show it was more than a tiny minority?

No surprise there.

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 06:59PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So no source to show it was more than a tiny minority?

No surprise there.

I don't need a source because all I mentioned was the abuse.

You claimed it wasn't hundreds etc.

You seem to think abuse is alright from 'a few'.

Avatar MIA · 05-11-2017 07:00PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So no source to show it was more than a tiny minority?

No surprise there.

:pac::pac::pac::pac: The charge is that there was no reportage, and this is thrown back as lack of evidence.

But, you're right, it's not surprising. The BBC's match of the day especially weren't going to report on a player being pelted because he refused to wear a poppy badge.

Jawgap · 05-11-2017 07:05PM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac::pac: The charge is that there was no reportage, and this is thrown back as lack of evidence.

But, you're right, it's not surprising. The BBC's match of the day especially weren't going to report on a player being pelted because he refused to wear a poppy badge.

I think looking at the incident a few knuckleheads threw things after his sloppy challenge.....(includes video shot from crowd).....

http://www.huddersfield.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=510705

.....nothing to do with him not wearing a poppy or they'd be flinging stuff at him for every minute he was on the pitch.

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 07:14PM

Jawgap wrote: »

I think looking at the incident a few knuckleheads threw things after his sloppy challenge.....(includes video shot from crowd).....

http://www.huddersfield.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=510705

.....nothing to do with him not wearing a poppy or they'd be flinging stuff at him for every minute he was on the pitch.

Huddersfield crowd generally react like that to an opposing player making a foul?

That the point you are making to dilute?

Jawgap · 05-11-2017 07:22PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Huddersfield crowd generally react like that to an opposing player making a foul?

That the point you are making to dilute?

No, sometimes they just throw stuff when the opposition is warming up

Huddersfield Town fans throw bottle at Raheem Sterling

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 07:25PM

Jawgap wrote: »

No, sometimes they just throw stuff when the opposition is warming up

Huddersfield Town fans throw bottle at Raheem Sterling

Racism seems to go hand in hand with this poppy stuff.

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-11-2017 07:29PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't need a source because all I mentioned was the abuse.

You claimed it wasn't hundreds etc.

You seem to think abuse is alright from 'a few'.

I actually said quite the opposite but lets no let facts get in the way of your annual (more like daily) Brit bashing

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Well if there were hundreds throwing missiles it definitely would have made the news or been shown on some source of social media, now as this hasn't happened I'm going to go with my original assertations that it was a tiny minority of Neanderthals (the same type who make monkey noises or throw bananas at black players)

Please feel free to correct me though if you manage to find a source that says it was more than a tiny minority who committed these disgusting acts.

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-11-2017 07:31PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Racism seems to go hand in hand with this poppy stuff.

Ah aould you stop, these idiotic thugs will always do this sort of thing it's a tiny minority and you know it :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 07:33PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Ah aould you stop, these idiotic thugs will always do this sort of thing it's a tiny minority and you know it :rolleyes:

Why does it matter so much to you how many where doing it?

Jawgap · 05-11-2017 07:36PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Racism seems to go hand in hand with this poppy stuff.

Eh?

The bottle thrown at Sterling happened in February. If anything it's a football thing

"It was absolutely disgraceful" - Frightening eye-witness account of Cork City fans attacked in Derry

.....it's one of the reasons I stopped taking much interest in soccer.

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2017 07:42PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Eh?

The bottle thrown at Sterling happened in February. If anything it's a football thing

"It was absolutely disgraceful" - Frightening eye-witness account of Cork City fans attacked in Derry

.....it's one of the reasons I stopped taking much interest in soccer.

Why are you trying to dilute what has happened over McClean?

Jawgap · 05-11-2017 07:44PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why are you trying to dilute what has happened over McClean?

I'm not trying to dilute anything except my MI-Wadi

Hopefully stadium cctv will identify the thugs and they'll get their deserved punishment.

Are we over the annual poppy thread?

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