Are we over the annual poppy thread?

Ken. · 02-11-2017 02:31PM

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dr.fuzzenstein · 02-11-2017 02:33PM

I have to say that no one beats the Irish in holding a grudge.
In another 700 years there will still be people screaming about "700 years!" and the Brits whilst sitting alone in a corner of the pub muttering to themselves.
I said it before and I said it again. On the continent we have been kicking the crap out of each other for thousands of years. I mean 30 and 100 year wars with serious fighting and millions dead. If every country held a grudge against any country they ever had a conflict with, we wouldn't even have time to eat, we'd be so busy hating each other the whole time.

FrancieBrady · 02-11-2017 02:43PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The poppy i wear is specifically for the irish who died in 1914-18. for some reason you have a problem with that.

According to the RBL you wear your poppy - 'To Show Support For The Armed Forces Both Past and Present.'
That includes the ones with specific references, i.e. Poppies which remember the Irish, those who fought at Paschendale etc.

ohnonotgmail · 02-11-2017 02:46PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

According to the RBL you wear your poppy - 'To Show Support For The Armed Forces Both Past and Present.'
That includes the ones with specific references, i.e. Poppies which remember the Irish, those who fought at Paschendale etc.

It is not enough that you need to tell me what words i intended to use but now
you seem to be telling me why i do something. I have told you why i wear it. but you think you know better.

FrancieBrady · 02-11-2017 02:52PM

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ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It is not enough that you need to tell me what words i intended to use but now
you seem to be telling me why i do something. I have told you why i wear it. but you think you know better.

I didn't tell you what words to use, I am questioning your motivations to wear a badge which very clearly saying something and has been designed to 'show support for Armed Forces Past and Present.

ohnonotgmail · 02-11-2017 02:57PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

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I didn't tell you what words to use, I am questioning your motivations to wear a badge which very clearly saying something and has been designed to 'show support for Armed Forces Past and Present.

i have told you what my motivations are. you seem to think i am lying.

FrancieBrady · 02-11-2017 03:02PM

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ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i have told you what my motivations are. you seem to think i am lying.

Are you happy to be showing support for British Armed forces, past and present? Because that clearly is the intention of the RBL.
ALP clearly is, which is at least honest.

ohnonotgmail · 02-11-2017 03:04PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Are you happy to be showing support for British Armed forces, past and presence? Because that clearly is the intention of the RBL.
ALP clearly is, which is at least honest.

you are calling me dishonest again so i'm done with you now.

FrancieBrady · 02-11-2017 03:06PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you are calling me dishonest again so i'm done with you now.

Ah right, fair enough

02-11-2017 03:12PM

riffmongous wrote: »

Unless they are British is what you are saying.

No. The poppy is not merely for commemorating British people. The Irish people whom I am thinking of when I wear a poppy, were never British; not even when this country constituted a part of the United Kingdom.

Jawgap · 02-11-2017 03:13PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you seem obsessed with britain. unnaturally so. The poppy i wear is specifically for the irish who died in 1914-18. for some reason you have a problem with that.

Sounds like you have the same one I have - the poppy surmounted by a shamrock.....

Odhinn · 02-11-2017 03:24PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

According to the RBL you wear your poppy - 'To Show Support For The Armed Forces Both Past and Present.'
That includes the ones with specific references, i.e. Poppies which remember the Irish, those who fought at Paschendale etc.

And therein lies the insurmountable problem.

Odhinn · 02-11-2017 03:26PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No. The poppy is not merely for commemorating British people. The Irish people whom I am thinking of when I wear a poppy, were never British; not even when this country constituted a part of the United Kingdom.

It's support of the crown forces that's the problem, not their nationality on an individual basis.

A Little Pony · 02-11-2017 03:29PM

Some people wear it because they have someone on the family tree who died in the great war and do it to remember them, others support the British Army or veterans, multiple reasons.

02-11-2017 03:37PM

Odhinn wrote: »

It's support of the crown forces that's the problem, not their nationality on an individual basis.

I totally understand that it's a problem for many people.

I think most people who wear the poppy are able to appreciate that others' disagreement with it is personal and legitimate, and should be respected. The only time anyone ever mentioned my poppy to me, was when they came up and began engaging in conversation about their grandparents, or great uncles, or whatever, who were in the war. It's worth wearing it for those interesting stories alone!

There is a small amount of of people, and maybe they're all posting in this thread, who love nothing more than to rile-up those who disagree with the poppy, and there are also those who too easily rise to that bait. Trolling at its most obvious.

FrancieBrady · 02-11-2017 03:38PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Sounds like you have the same one I have - the poppy surmounted by a shamrock.....

I think that is a quite bewildering one tbh.
'Lest We Forget'?

Were is the representation of all who died in that pointless slaughter?
The banner should read 'Selectively Remember' and have done with it.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 02-11-2017 03:41PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think that is a quite bewildering one tbh.
'Lest We Forget'?

Were is the representation of all who died in that pointless slaughter?
The banner should read 'Selectively Remember' and have done with it.

Oh for goodness sake! I despair.

FrancieBrady · 02-11-2017 03:45PM

Gibson Wide Matrix wrote: »

Oh for goodness sake! I despair.

It would make you despair alright. When you set that kind of selective memorialising against how we inclusively commemorated 1916.

Odhinn · 02-11-2017 04:25PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It would make you despair alright. When you set that kind of selective memorialising against how we inclusively commemorated 1916.

Over inclusively, let's face it.

dr.fuzzenstein · 02-11-2017 04:48PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I totally understand that it's a problem for many people.

I think most people who wear the poppy are able to appreciate that others' disagreement with it is personal and legitimate, and should be respected. The only time anyone ever mentioned my poppy to me, was when they came up and began engaging in conversation about their grandparents, or great uncles, or whatever, who were in the war. It's worth wearing it for those interesting stories alone!

There is a small amount of of people, and maybe they're all posting in this thread, who love nothing more than to rile-up those who disagree with the poppy, and there are also those who too easily rise to that bait. Trolling at its most obvious.

Totally agree. Even an AH poll currently says that 70% agree that it's time to remember the past without being eaten up by it.
And AH would be frequented by a fair number of cranks and malcontents, frequent threads on "I hate children, dogs, coworkers, people in general, the world..." would attest to that.
So 30% of AH howling in unison "NEVER!" when asked if they could maybe drag their arse into the 20th (never mind the 21st) century probably translates into 3% in the real world, populated by normal, sane people.
At some stage it is time to move forward and ask the rest "you wanna come along? No? OK then, bye!", because some will never agree, be it because they are too bitter and twisted or because they're just professional objectors.
In a Europe at peace after thousands of years of war, we can't afford anything else.
At some stage you'll have to move on, the alternative is centuries if bad blood and that just leads to more trouble.

FrancieBrady · 02-11-2017 04:59PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Totally agree. Even an AH poll currently says that 70% agree that it's time to remember the past without being eaten up by it.
And AH would be frequented by a fair number of cranks and malcontents, frequent threads on "I hate children, dogs, coworkers, people in general, the world..." would attest to that.
So 30% of AH howling in unison "NEVER!" when asked if they could maybe drag their arse into the 20th (never mind the 21st) century probably translates into 3% in the real world, populated by normal, sane people.
At some stage it is time to move forward and ask the rest "you wanna come along? No? OK then, bye!", because some will never agree, be it because they are too bitter and twisted or because they're just professional objectors.
In a Europe at peace after thousands of years of war, we can't afford anything else.
At some stage you'll have to move on, the alternative is centuries if bad blood and that just leads to more trouble.

Not quite sure which argument you are trying to silence here.

Can you be clearer.
Should those who believe Irish people should be fully inclusive in remembrance or should those who want to selectively remember in support of the British armed foirces, past and present, be silent?

Timberrrrrrrr · 02-11-2017 05:10PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not quite sure which argument you are trying to silence here.

Can you be clearer.
Should those who believe Irish people should be fully inclusive in remembrance or should those who want to selectively remember in support of the British armed foirces, past and present, be silent?

Ah c'mon you drag this old chestnut out and dust it off every year :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady · 02-11-2017 05:13PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Ah c'mon you drag this old chestnut out and dust it off every year :rolleyes:

Is he not asking people to 'move on'?
In other words, say nothing, be silent

Timberrrrrrrr · 02-11-2017 05:32PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Is he not asking people to 'move on'?
In other words, say nothing, be silent

It's amazing how you seem to know exactly what people mean by reading words on a screen, even when they specifically point out to you several times that your interpretation is wrong

Francie knows best I suppose :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady · 02-11-2017 05:38PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

It's amazing how you seem to know exactly what people mean by reading words on a screen, even when they specifically point out to you several times that your interpretation is wrong

Francie knows best I suppose :rolleyes:

Naive of me to believe the purpose of writing is to explain what you 'mean'.

And doubly naive to ask for clarification, which is what I did.

Where did the poster 'point out' anything to me BTW.

Timberrrrrrrr · 02-11-2017 05:41PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Naive of me to believe the purpose of writing is to explain what you 'mean'.

And doubly naive to ask for clarification, which is what I did.

Where did the poster 'point out' anything to me BTW.

Indeed.

FrancieBrady · 02-11-2017 05:44PM

[QUOTE=Timberrrrrrrr;105151574]Indeed.[/QUOTE]

Great answer

Any chance you can show me where the particular poster I was asking, said something to me?

02-11-2017 06:33PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No. The poppy is not merely for commemorating British people. The Irish people whom I am thinking of when I wear a poppy, were never British; not even when this country constituted a part of the United Kingdom.

That wasn't my point, what I meant was that you derided the white poppy in the basis of it representing everyone, both good and bad, yet you wear the red poppy which represents everyone who fought for the British, both good and bad. The men who committed Bloody Sunday and Ballymurphy are included in that, as well as the genuinely deserving

evolving_doors · 02-11-2017 06:39PM

Ooooo someone called.
Op here.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Is he not asking people to 'move on'?...

No...

Yes...

Either way the above isn't a question, despite the interrogation point.

So you'll have to ask again.

Then again I'm not asking anything of anybody. It's a poll.
Maybe we need to discuss more.. Maybe we don't ... Let's see.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In other words, say nothing, be silent

Hmm no they're your words not mine. No need to paraphrase.

But anyway... my take. I'm OK with voluntary commemorations. but when the group think takes over and people are pilloried for not doing it, I don't like that.

FrancieBrady · 02-11-2017 06:46PM

evolving_doors wrote: »

Ooooo someone called.
Op here.

No...

Yes...

Either way the above isn't a question, despite the interrogation point.

So you'll have to ask again.

Then again I'm not asking anything of anybody. It's a poll.
Maybe we need to discuss more.. Maybe we don't ... Let's see.

Hmm no they're your words not mine. No need to paraphrase.

But anyway... my take. I'm OK with voluntary commemorations. but when the group think takes over and people are pilloried for not doing it, I don't like that.

Think you may have gotten the wrong end of the stick there. I was answering another poster, when Timbers got involved.

Are we over the annual poppy thread?

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