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Are we over the annual poppy thread?

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  • #362
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Jawgap wrote: »
    So which streets, which border towns?

    If I've to drive to Belfast next week where do I take it off and where do I put it back on? How would one know they are in a sensitive area or in the presence of someone of a sensitive disposition?

    I think you could take an educated guess.

    Maybe see if McGregor will go with you if you want to wear a large provocative one?
    Otherwise wear your small enamel one, which isn't provocative, as I have told you again and again and again.

    BTW, does your memory only work when others can see them? It seems to very important.


  • #363
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I think you could take an educated guess.

    Maybe see if McGregor will go with you if you want to wear a large provocative one?
    Otherwise wear your small enamel one, which isn't provocative, as I have told you again and again and again.

    BTW, does your memory only work when others can see them? It seems to very important.

    I've only ever worn a small enamel Irish poppy.....so if that's not provocative can it be worn anywhere?


  • #364
    wexandproud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭wexandproud


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Why is your mind 'bigger'?
    I am sure the 'shinners' are remembering what this army did here on this island, some of it in living memory.
    Why does your remembrance take precedent over somebody else's?
    never said it did


  • #365
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭storker


    A thought-provoking piece in the UK Independent. Some good comments too...from both sides.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/remembrance-day-moeen-ali-jonathan-liew-james-mcclean-poppies-royal-british-legion-a8028301.html


  • #366
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    storker wrote: »
    A thought-provoking piece in the UK Independent. Some good comments too...from both sides.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/remembrance-day-moeen-ali-jonathan-liew-james-mcclean-poppies-royal-british-legion-a8028301.html

    The British Legion put this stuff out every year but have clearly lost control of how the poppy is used.
    The poppy honours all those who have sacrificed their lives to protect the freedoms we enjoy today, and so the decision to wear it must be a matter of personal choice. If the poppy became compulsory, it would lose its meaning and significance. We are thankful for every poppy worn, but we never insist upon it. To do so would be contrary to the spirit of remembrance and all that the poppy stands for

    And if you have to wonder why something designed to mark the futility of war has become 'intrinsically political', maybe....just maybe it is because the emphasis is on the dead soldiers of one side?


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  • #367
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,068 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The British Legion put this stuff out every year but have clearly lost control of how the poppy is used.


    And if you have to wonder why something designed to mark the futility of war has become 'intrinsically political', maybe....just maybe it is because the emphasis is on the dead soldiers of one side?

    Well of course, it would be honouring the dead of one particular side. The Germans are free to wear whatever they choose, as are the French and everyone else. Do you hear people moaning all the time about the Easter Lilly? No, because people do not care either way.

    It is only this time of year we hear the loudmouthed delicate souls who call themselves Republicans give it yarns about the Poppy being forced on them because they see a few people wear it about the place, an act (wearing the poppy) which is freely protected by the very Irish Constitution that these moaners think they are upholding. Idiots the lot of them I say.

    The poppy is worn in other countries as well by the way. In Canada, Australia and NZ to name a few, without much fuss.

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  • #368
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    Well of course, it would be honouring the dead of one particular side. The Germans are free to wear whatever they choose, as are the French and everyone else. Do you hear people moaning all the time about the Easter Lilly? No, because people do not care either way.

    It is only this time of year we hear the loudmouthed delicate souls who call themselves Republicans give it yarns about the Poppy being forced on them because they see a few people wear it about the place, an act (wearing the poppy) which is freely protected by the very Irish Constitution that these moaners think they are upholding. Idiots the lot of them I say.

    The poppy is worn in other countries as well by the way. In Canada, Australia and NZ to name a few, without much fuss.

    Red-poppies.jpg

    520873-608-34.jpg

    You want to honour the dead of one side and you wonder why it ends in political arguing?

    Doesn't take a genius to work that out tbh.


  • #369
    [Deleted User]
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    Unfortunately the poppy is very divisive in Ireland, people might feel it shouldn't be, but they know damn well it is. A bit like
    people smoking in trains and buses in the early 90s, many of them do it because they want to irritate
    Realistically everyone wearing it knows the British Army killed a lot of innocent people in the North in relatively recent times and for that reason the poppy is a very unpopular emblem for many and its display inappropriate.
    James McClean's case is v interesting I believe. A few years ago when he wouldn't stand to attention for God Save The Queen no one defended him, even on the League of Ireland show on RTE they were saying he should just leave England if that was the way he was going to be. Nowadays, following the NFL anthem protests no one would dispute his right to turn away from the flag.


  • #370
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Sunny Disposition wrote: »
    Unfortunately the poppy is very divisive in Ireland, people might feel it shouldn't be, but they know damn well it is. A bit like
    people smoking in trains and buses in the early 90s, many of them do it because they want to irritate
    Realistically everyone wearing it knows the British Army killed a lot of innocent people in the North in relatively recent times and for that reason the poppy is a very unpopular emblem for many and its display inappropriate.
    James McClean's case is v interesting I believe. A few years ago when he wouldn't stand to attention for God Save The Queen no one defended him, even on the League of Ireland show on RTE they were saying he should just leave England if that was the way he was going to be. Nowadays, following the NFL anthem protests no one would dispute his right to turn away from the flag.

    That is the point that is trying to be made above the 'I don't care, I will wear it wherever' bluster.

    If it was being worn in genuine respect and remembrance then the wearer would be very very aware of where they where. Provocative use.


  • #371
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,853 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sunny Disposition wrote: »
    Unfortunately the poppy is very divisive in Ireland, people might feel it shouldn't be, but they know damn well it is. A bit like
    people smoking in trains and buses in the early 90s, many of them do it because they want to irritate
    Realistically everyone wearing it knows the British Army killed a lot of innocent people in the North in relatively recent times and for that reason the poppy is a very unpopular emblem for many and its display inappropriate.
    James McClean's case is v interesting I believe. A few years ago when he wouldn't stand to attention for God Save The Queen no one defended him, even on the League of Ireland show on RTE they were saying he should just leave England if that was the way he was going to be. Nowadays, following the NFL anthem protests no one would dispute his right to turn away from the flag.

    he was already standing for the Anthem, however when his fellow players turned to face the flag of the country/league he plays in, he turned away.


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  • #372
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    LordSutch wrote: »
    From my perspective that ^ is decisive and utter poppycock!

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105127368&postcount=243

    From my perspective the thread was set up from the get go to be devisive.
    I don't have a problem with respectful remembrance but when you look at people coming straight in with their drinking games, demeaning commentary and I will wear it and care not who has a problem with it, then you have to accept there is a problem.

    Gone are the days on this island when you can parade your triumphalism and not give regard to who it offends.


  • #373
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,138 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    From my perspective the thread was set up from the get go to be devisive.
    I don't have a problem with respectful remembrance but when you look at people coming straight in with their drinking games, demeaning commentary and I will wear it and care not who has a problem with it, then you have to accept there is a problem.

    Gone are the days on this island when you can parade your triumphalism and not give regard to who it offends.

    the problem seems to me is that you are unable to tell the difference between the two.


  • #374
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    the problem seems to me is that you are unable to tell the difference between the two.

    So despite everyone (including the RLB) knowing there is a growing problem with how this symbol is being used, you think we should just lie down and accept it? Those days are gone too my friend.


  • #375
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,138 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    So despite everyone (including the RLB) knowing there is a growing problem with how this symbol is being used, you think we should just lie down and accept it? Those days are gone too my friend.


    does any of that apply to ireland, this being an irish discussion board?


  • #376
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    does any of that apply to ireland, this being an irish discussion board?

    Yes, why wouldn't it?


  • #377
    [Deleted User]
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    markodaly wrote: »
    Well of course, it would be honouring the dead of one particular side.

    Well, well, well - after years of telling us it was an "international symbol of peace" you finally admit that the red British poppy is a tribal glorification of your side's imperialist escapades throughout the centuries. Thank you.


  • #378
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,138 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Yes, why wouldn't it?

    because that isn't how it is used in this country.


  • #379
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    markodaly wrote: »
    Do you hear people moaning all the time about the Easter Lilly? No, because people do not care either way.

    Unlike your imperialist poppy, the Easter Lily represents freedom from British imperialist subjugation - yes, from your crowd and their centuries of dispossession, mass murder and cultural genocide in Ireland. I can see why poppy pushers resent it - yet another native attack on settler-colonial privileges in Ireland. That you think freedom fighters and Empire fighters are on the same moral plane graphically illustrates your disconnect from any conceivable moral compass.


  • #380
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,138 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well, well, well - after years of telling us it was an "international symbol of peace" you finally admit that the red British poppy is a tribal glorification of your side's imperialist escapades throughout the centuries. Thank you.


    or a discreet remembrance of relatives who didnt return. but whatever works for you.


  • #381
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    because that isn't how it is used in this country.

    You have well known Unionist posters claiming they will wear it and not care who it offends or insults??
    That is political use all day long.


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  • #382
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think you have to accept it, people have the right to wear the poppy. Sure it's offensive and inappropriate, but people are allowed to wear what they want. I have at least one relative who died in the British Army generations ago, but there's no way I'd wear the poppy, in my opinion it is insensitive to do so in Ireland given things like the Ballymurphy massacre and the slaughter on Bloody Sunday in Derry.


  • #383
    [Deleted User]
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    markodaly wrote: »
    It is only this time of year we hear the loudmouthed delicate souls who call themselves Republicans give it yarns about the Poppy being forced on them

    My, I wonder would that have anything to do with the fact that it is only this time of year that apologists for the British Empire like yourself are making an exceptional effort to push your little "The British Empire saved the world" narratives upon us all? Just as the Orange Order has its season in summer, you have yours at this time of year. In both cases, you are doing nothing but trying to rile the very community which suffered most from what you now glorify. So spare us this disingenuous "harmless commemoration" raiméis.

    Also, would that your crowd could give the same freedoms on your tv stations to honourable British people who revile the warmongering and dehumanisation which the British Empire and its poppy cult seek to glorify every November. I've yet to see one of your tv presenters or sports presenters being allowed to not wear your poppy.


  • #384
    [Deleted User]
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    markodaly wrote: »
    The poppy is worn in other countries as well by the way. In Canada, Australia and NZ to name a few, without much fuss[/B].


    Comedy gold. So, a symbol of the British Empire, or "British Commonwealth" as it renamed itself when the Empire fell apart, is an international symbol because the descendants of the white British settler-colonialists that created the states of Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and who still choose to have a British Protestant queen as their Head of State in 2017, use it? That's as "internationally acceptable" as you can get for the British poppy?


  • #385
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,138 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You have well known Unionist posters claiming they will wear it and not care who it offends or insults??
    That is political use all day long.


    perhaps you need to move to a better part of the country.


  • #386
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    perhaps you need to move to a better part of the country.

    'To hell or to Connacht' is a slightly outdated concept too my friend.


  • #387
    [Deleted User]
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    or a discreet remembrance of relatives who didnt return. but whatever works for you.

    Discreet? Seriously? You clearly haven't thought this through.

    Surely if these people wanted to be discreet they could pop into their local church or graveyard and do it privately? Remember private family loss in a private manner. Few would have an issue with that. But, no, they choose to align themselves with the Royal British Legion's explicitly political and very public glorification of the wars of the British Empire/Commonwealth throughout the centuries.

    That's a peculiar definition of 'discreet' you have going there.


  • #388
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,138 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Discreet? Seriously? You clearly haven't thought this through.

    Surely if these people wanted to be discreet they could pop into their local church or graveyard and do it privately? Remember private family loss in a private manner. Few would have an issue with that. But, no, they choose to align themselves with the Royal British Legion's explicitly political and very public glorification of the wars of the British Empire/Commonwealth throughout the centuries.

    That's a peculiar definition of 'discreet' you have going there.

    Eh, this is an irish discussion board. that happened in england.


  • #389
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,138 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    'To hell or to Connacht' is a slightly outdated concept too my friend.

    perhaps somewhere with less sectarian nonsense than where you currently reside. It doesnt have to be connacht.


  • #390
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    perhaps somewhere with less sectarian nonsense than where you currently reside. It doesnt have to be connacht.

    'Sectarian'????

    Do you even know the meaning of the word? :rolleyes:


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  • #391
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Eh, this is an irish discussion board. that happened in england.

    Isn't it in Belfast now?


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