Dublin City Marathon 29 Oct 2017 - *** NOTE: no number transfer!

PWEI · 31-10-2017 02:38PM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

He ran 2:15 in 2015 perhaps just better as it goes longer.

edit: I'm not sure why we continue to compare half marathon times to full. It doesn't always relate. In the case above I'd be asking questions of Scullion's performance in Dublin before Freddies.

Because its normally a good indication of what form an athlete is in.
Paul Pollock got picked for the Olympics ahead of sergiu ciobanu based on his half marathon time.

walshb · 31-10-2017 02:40PM

dublin runner wrote: »

Comparing Longford to DCM, the National Marathon Championships, is quite funny.

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Why is that funny? GOH was 7 minutes faster in a marathon...both marathons....

RacoonQueen · 31-10-2017 02:51PM

jrkb wrote: »

Not 100% sure but I think the rule regarding the club singlet is different for the marathon.

I thought it was too but checked their rule book and it says you have to have the singlet.

dublin runner · 31-10-2017 02:52PM

walshb wrote: »

Why is that funny? GOH was 7 minutes faster in a marathon...both marathons....

One is a National Championship race. The other is small well run event in Longford.

One had close on 20,000 competitors. The other had a fraction of that.

One had fully closed roads. The other had a race on open rural roads.

One had close on 500 competitors under sub 3. The other had 7.

One had a winning time of 2.15, with invited international athletes. The other had a winning time of 2.25.

I could go on.........

jrkb · 31-10-2017 02:55PM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

I thought it was too but checked their rule book and it says you have to have the singlet.

Its a few years since I ran the champs so maybe they changed it so there is no controversy.

walshb · 31-10-2017 03:12PM

dublin runner wrote: »

One is a National Championship race. The other is small well run event in Longford.

One had close on 20,000 competitors. The other had a fraction of that.

One had fully closed roads. The other had a race on open rural roads.

One had close on 500 competitors under sub 3. The other had 7.

One had a winning time of 2.15, with invited international athletes. The other had a winning time of 2.25.

I could go on.........

Go on...

Still was 26 miles and still both men ran the distance.....

One finishing 7 minutes clear of the other...

Unless all the stuff you listed off was of real consequences to GOHs time vs. Freddy's time?

robinph · 31-10-2017 03:12PM

It's an inter club team event as well though isn't it?

You can't have a team event without a requirement for the people competing in the different teams being identifiable by wearing their club kit. You need to know who you are racing against and who counts in such events.

dublin runner · 31-10-2017 03:25PM

walshb wrote: »

Go on...

Still was 26 miles and still both men ran the distance.....

One finishing 7 minutes clear of the other...

Unless all the stuff you listed off was of real consequences to GOHs time vs. Freddy's time?

If I need to explain to you the difference in the two races; how the top IRISH competitors usually approach it, in terms of racing and in terms of where it sits in their training cycles well then..........wow! :rolleyes:

I know it may surprise a few people but there are reasons other than running for places and medals why the top competitors run these smaller events and races.

Anyway, back on topic.

walshb · 31-10-2017 03:38PM

dublin runner wrote: »

If I need to explain to you the difference in the two races; how the top IRISH competitors usually approach it, in terms of racing and in terms of where it sits in their training cycles well then..........wow! :rolleyes:

I know it may surprise a few people but there are reasons other than running for places and medals why the top competitors run these smaller events and races.

Anyway, back on topic.

Grand. So, Freddy probably decided to take it handy that day...that or the race and its conditions and make up weren't for him.

He'd be best to ask about that event I suppose.

dublin runner · 31-10-2017 03:44PM

walshb wrote: »

Grand. So, Freddy probably decided to take it handy that day...that or the race and its conditions and make up weren't for him.

He'd be best to ask about that event I suppose.

Exactly. It can be quite hard to see the reason behind such times and performances without asking. For example, my marathon times this year varied by over 35 minutes so looking at my results from afar it may look somewhat dubious

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DCM is the target for the year for many athletes so I prefer to use that as a genuine metric of performance. A Championship race.

Testosterscone · 31-10-2017 03:58PM

PWEI wrote: »

Paul Pollock got picked for the Olympics ahead of sergiu ciobanu based on his half marathon time.

No, he got picked based on showing current form post Berlin where Ciobanu did not with small margins between there times in Berlin. The form was indicated in the shape of a half marathon race as well as beating Ciobanu in Cross Country as well it demonstrated Pollocks fitness was on an upward curve and was proven right as our top runner in Rio.

hawkwing · 31-10-2017 06:34PM

Bib No.| Username | PB | Predicted Time | Actual Time
2803|echancrure|2:49:20|2:48:59|2:58:12|
9558|diego_b|3:43:41|3:39:30|3:54:53
|robinph|2:49:44|2:49:59|2:58:03
|ISOP|4:18:55|4:15:00|
3868|hot buttered scones|3:21:45|3:09:59|
4514|davedanon|3:14:18|3:09:59|DNF
6501|Lazare|n/a|3:58:xx|3:58:08|
3241|Johnny_Fontane|3:36:18|3:24:59|
1678|withcheeseplease|2:59:58|2:59:57|2:58:35
12429|Damo 2k9|n/a|3:59:59|3:57:57
|DC.|2:56:02|2:44:00| 2:42:29 |
|Dexter50|4:14:19|4:10:00|
4591|Wubble Wubble|3:49:01|3:29:59|
7703|RedRunner|3:52:30|4:15:00|4:13:05
|apjb82|3:35:15|3:10:00|3:12:33
|CCR|2:59:52|3:29:59|
|Peckham|2:58:27|3:44:59|
|Krusty_Clown|2:30:01|2:34:59|2:38:09
|Derco|4:16:04|4:12:59|
|Spirogyra|3:59:02|3:39:59
10404|Unthought Known|4:16:44|3:44:59|3:41:41
3790|HibernianRunner|3:28:22|3:24:00|3:30:14
|Slow_Runner|3:42:26|3:33:xx|
|Fiftyplus|3:29:45|3:29:44|
1371|Murph_D|3:28:28|3:19:59|3:22:11
|ThePiedPiper|2:49:00|3:19:59|
3364|TFBubendorfer|2:55:07|3:15:00|3:10:20
|jaggiebunnet|3:32:39|3:24:59|
|Jakey Rolling|3:27:15|3:29:59|4:01:53
|Eric the Eagle|3:26:25|3:19:59|3:18:21
|El Caballo|3:15:29|3:11:29|
2634|Trampas|3:18:41|3:20:01|3:26:20
4143|boykev|4:00:56|3:29:30|3:31:35
1942|MisterDrak|3:07:24|3:14:00|3:13:43
|ciarraiabu1977|2:57:45|2:57:40
1322|Singer|3:32:04|3:14:15|3:14:11
|Doeshedare|n/a|3:39:59|
2855|Martyboy48|3:18:00|3:30|
|Brusna|n/a|3:27:59|
|Hawkwing|3:58:30|4:59:59|5:06:20
1805|JohnDozer|3:59:13|3:39:59|3:40:14
20545|Jack Bracken|N/A|5:30:00|5:38:12
3247 |Quickfeet |3:17:30 |3:15:00|3:18:21
Not long finished:o

S.L.F. · 31-10-2017 06:52PM

dublin runner wrote: »

I guess dedicating your life, your time and your body to a single race is no longer considered to taking DCM 'seriously'.

If you knew anything about the sport you'd know Gary poured everything into the race. Who says you cannot race twice over the distance in a short time frame? It's just a distance, nothing more.

Gary came 2nd. It's a non-story. Well done Freddy, well deserved.

Social Media - a race to the bottom, full of hyperbole and faux outrage.

Testosterscone wrote: »

No, he got picked based on showing current form post Berlin where Ciobanu did not with small margins between there times in Berlin. The form was indicated in the shape of a half marathon race as well as beating Ciobanu in Cross Country as well it demonstrated Pollocks fitness was on an upward curve and was proven right as our top runner in Rio.

Thats interesting, i thought at the time that Ciobanu got ripped off for a place.

sideswipe · 31-10-2017 07:07PM

PWEI wrote: »

Chivito550 wrote: »

Well too bad he was beaten fair and square by a far superior athlete.

Freddy also ran a 70 minute half in Belfast in August, 3 minutes behind Stephen Scullion & then went back home to Kenya to prepare for the Dublin marathon.

What happened to the 6 month rule then?

Chivito550 · 31-10-2017 07:52PM

sideswipe wrote: »

What happened to the 6 month rule then?

Doesn't residency usually mean 6 of the previous 12 months. I thought that was the case for tax reasons anyway. Whether it's the case for AAI though I'm not sure.

Djoucer · 31-10-2017 09:28PM

Looks like around 16,000 started out of 20,000 signed up.

Would that be a similar start v enteries for most races?

S.L.F. · 31-10-2017 09:31PM

Djoucer wrote: »

Looks like around 16,000 started out of 20,000 signed up.

Would that be a similar start v enteries for most races?

Such a waste not to allow transfers or postponement, 4000 people would've loved that chance.

Before anyone mentions rules around London etc. We're indpendent of them and any other marathon holder.

Murph_D · 31-10-2017 11:00PM

Most races anticipate a certain no-show ratio and adjust entry limits accordingly. There was never going to be 20,000 starters. 16,000 (80 percent) seems a bit low all the same - just as well, felt pretty crowded to me!

S.L.F. · 31-10-2017 11:08PM

Murph_D wrote: »

Most races anticipate a certain no-show ratio and adjust entry limits accordingly. There was never going to be 20,000 starters. 16,000 (80 percent) seems a bit low all the same - just as well, felt pretty crowded to me!

That was people rushing in early before the sell out and then getting injured or not training in the end for it.

hawkwing · 31-10-2017 11:34PM

16759 finished in 2016,15888 in 2017. Looks like registration opens in the morning for 2018.I think it shouldn't open until about March as nobody has an idea what condition they will be in 12 months from now,there will be even less finishers next year because people will start rushing to enter too early etc..

This Fat Girl Runs · 31-10-2017 11:37PM

While I was setting up my nip stand in the Phoenix Park I counted about 10 people (separately as in it wasn't a group) wearing race gear and their race numbers heading towards Castleknock. None of them were in a hurry. This was between 8:30 and 9am. Had me a bit baffled to be honest but curiosity has gotten the better of me so I'm asking what you guys think they were doing? Possible cheats? Is DCM a qualifying race for other marathons?

I AM a cynic and there may have been a perfectly reasonable reason for it...if so, please enlighten me!

ultrapercy · 31-10-2017 11:40PM

This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »

While I was setting up my nip stand in the Phoenix Park I counted about 10 people (separately as in it wasn't a group) wearing race gear and their race numbers heading towards Castleknock. None of them were in a hurry. This was between 8:30 and 9am. Had me a bit baffled to be honest but curiosity has gotten the better of me so I'm asking what you guys think they were doing? Possible cheats? Is DCM a qualifying race for other marathons?

I AM a cynic and there may have been a perfectly reasonable reason for it...if so, please enlighten me!

A group of walkers gotvan offical 7am start.

Podge83 · 01-11-2017 09:37AM

On percentage no-shows the above comments are more or less spot on. The earlier a race sells out the greater the percentage of "no-Shows" occur.

Ballycotton was a typical example of this - some people probably entered "in case" they could run. Waterford half sells out quick but has a policy of transferring entries which reduces the percentage.

The Dublin organisers probably plan for about this level on no-shows. The Expo gives them a good warning (albeit a bit late) if the percentage is right. (they actually know on Saturday how many are going to turn up).

In smaller local races where you can enter right up to the day the percentage could be about 10%.

RayCun · 01-11-2017 10:13AM

Murph_D wrote: »

Most races anticipate a certain no-show ratio and adjust entry limits accordingly. There was never going to be 20,000 starters. 16,000 (80 percent) seems a bit low all the same - just as well, felt pretty crowded to me!

If 20,000 people did actually run there'd be a real crush

andreoilin · 01-11-2017 10:17AM

I see registration is open solely to participants of this year's marathon until November 3rd, then open to the general public. I haven't run it myself but I can't imagine I'd be too eager to sign up again three days later :P

TFBubendorfer · 01-11-2017 10:22AM

Podge83 wrote: »

The Dublin organisers probably plan for about this level on no-shows. The Expo gives them a good warning (albeit a bit late) if the percentage is right. (they actually know on Saturday how many are going to turn up).

Of course they know that, and of course they take that into account. That's why saying "4000 other runners would have loved a number, why don't they allow transfers" is nonsense - the organisers know fully well that if they sign up 20000 then only 16000 -17000 will turn up, and that's what they're planning for. If they allowed transfers they'd only sell 16-17k entries in the first place.

Zebra3 · 01-11-2017 10:54AM

Money for nothing for the organizers.

4,000 times €90....

RacoonQueen · 01-11-2017 11:04AM

What is the cheapest entry point for Dublin now?

Djoucer · 01-11-2017 11:06AM

Completely understand runners saying "4,000 would have loved a number." Far from nonsense. It's a legitimate statement based on seeing 20,000 entries.

It's also fair for organisers to plan for plenty of non starters.

To be fair to Dublin. They're in new territory with entries selling out so early. Incredible achievement and Sunday was a smooth a race as you'll ever see.

Be nice to see deferred entries at least based on entries selling out months in advance.

happygoose · 01-11-2017 11:10AM

PWEI wrote: »

Freddy also ran a 70 minute half in Belfast in August, 3 minutes behind Stephen Scullion & then went back home to Kenya to prepare for the Dublin marathon.

sideswipe wrote: »

What happened to the 6 month rule then?

If he’s on a C Visa then he’d have had no choice but to return to Kenya, as one or two other athletes running in Ireland do. These last just 90 days. However, it sounds like AAI have satisfied themselves that 6 months continuous residence is the condition that they use for the ‘ordinarily resident’ rule, so the winner must be on some other sort of Visa. These are issues we’re all unaware of, but you’d have to assume that the AAI have examined this issue of his particular eligibility ahead of Sunday. I’m sure as second place finisher these are issues GOH has asked or has had someone ask on his behalf.

Dublin City Marathon 29 Oct 2017 - *** NOTE: no number transfer!

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