Are we over the annual poppy thread?

Jawgap · 31-10-2017 02:51PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Or maybe wilful ignoring.

But you know yourself best.

Yeah.....short attention span. Badly written stuff, no matter what kernel of truth might lie at the centre of it, holds zero attraction for me to wade through it.

FrancieBrady · 31-10-2017 02:58PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Yeah.....short attention span. Badly written stuff, no matter what kernel of truth might lie at the centre of it, holds zero attraction for me to wade through it.

Oh look, we are back to the mockery.

I said it several times in plain English that I don't have a problem with respectful remembrance.

Like the veteran quoted my objection is to the hijacking of that. At the very least he was not afraid to be honest about his position.

31-10-2017 03:00PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Quite surprised you're not bashing on about soccer being an artefact of British cultural imperialism......

Nope. I’m firmly of the belief sport and politics shouldn’t mix. I’ll happily sit down and watch a game of limited overs cricket and won’t be thinking about its origins or connections to this that and the other. I’ve already said people can choose to wear a poppy or not and have their decision respected so i think your above comment is a bit unfair tbh.

Jawgap · 31-10-2017 03:02PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Oh look, we are back to the mockery.

I said it several times in plain English that I don't have a problem with respectful remembrance.

Like the veteran quoted my objection is to the hijacking of that. At the very least he was not afraid to be honest about his position.

No, just telling the truth. I've a short attention span and I just can't be arsed to read/re-read stuff to figure out what someone might be trying to communicate.

Sorry, if that offends you.

Jawgap · 31-10-2017 03:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Nope. I’m firmly of the belief sport and politics shouldn’t mix. I’ll happily sit down and watch a game of limited overs cricket and won’t be thinking about its origins or connections to this that and the other. I’ve already said people can choose to wear a poppy or not and have their decision respected so i think your above comment is a bit unfair tbh.

Would that mean you think the apartheid-era sports tours to SA were ok? Assuming that to think otherwise would be to mix sports and politics?

Pity you don't consider the origins of sport, you miss so much of the rich tapestry associated with it.....why we speak of a "Corinthian" ethic.....why a try is called a "try".....the origins of a "stymie".....the reason four steps are allowed.....etc etc

EDIT: and my favourite.....the historical difference between an umpire and a referee. Soccer previously had umpires before "refereeing" was developed

FrancieBrady · 31-10-2017 03:38PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Would that mean you think the apartheid-era sports tours to SA were ok? Assuming that to think otherwise would be to mix sports and politics?

Pity you don't consider the origins of sport, you miss so much of the rich tapestry associated with it.....why we speak of a "Corinthian" ethic.....why a try is called a "try".....the origins of a "stymie".....the reason four steps are allowed.....etc etc

EDIT: and my favourite.....the historical difference between an umpire and a referee. Soccer previously had umpires before "refereeing" was developed

Would doing all that not interfere with your attention span, given it's perilous state?

Timberrrrrrrr · 31-10-2017 04:00PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Oh look, we are back to the mockery.

I said it several times in plain English that I don't have a problem with respectful remembrance.

Like the veteran quoted my objection is to the hijacking of that. At the very least he was not afraid to be honest about his position.

I wear a poppy as a sign of respect.rememnrance, you choose to see.8t as something else and get offended by it.

I do love these annual rants of yours though they really do brighten up these threads.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 31-10-2017 04:12PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Oh look, we are back to the mockery.

I said it several times in plain English that I don't have a problem with respectful remembrance.

Like the veteran quoted my objection is to the hijacking of that. At the very least he was not afraid to be honest about his position.

If, and it's a hypothetical if, I wore a poppy it would be in remembrance of family who died in WW1. How would you know that's why I was wearing it?

Just genuinely curious.

31-10-2017 04:15PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Would that mean you think the apartheid-era sports tours to SA were ok? Assuming that to think otherwise would be to mix sports and politics?

Hmmm, i came across a bit unconditional so you jumped for the most extreme example. I was thinking in the context of you thinking of me of being yet another unimaginative ‘Brit-basher’.

Pity you don't consider the origins of sport........

I said not while i’m watching it. I’d be aware of the origins of sports. Its a fascinating subject all in itself.

Jawgap · 31-10-2017 04:20PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Would doing all that not interfere with your attention span, given it's perilous state?

Nah.

As I said well written engaging material sates my curiosity - that'll hold my attention.

There's precious little written on boards.ie that falls into those categories.

murphthesmurf · 31-10-2017 04:24PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Asking someone not to wear something I find offensive is 'dictatorial' or 'agressive'?

If you came accross someone in the street wearing a poppy would you actually stop them and ask them to take it off as you find it offensive?

FrancieBrady · 31-10-2017 04:25PM

Gibson Wide Matrix wrote: »

If, and it's a hypothetical if, I wore a poppy it would be in remembrance of family who died in WW1. How would you know that's why I was wearing it?

Just genuinely curious.

Size would be a factor imo. These things are getting bigger, curious in and off itself.

And location. The poster who said they would wear it and not care, being the type I would object to.
The fact that many on this island have themselves lost loved ones to the actions of the British army should provoke some sensitivity in the wearer.

Isn't is supposed to be about respect? I don't see much respect from a lot of posters here, tbh.
It is noteworthy that there is no progress in northern Ireland because of the issue of respect for rights and cultural identity.

By all means wear the poppy, but recognise that there are sensitivities around it when in Ireland.

ohnonotgmail · 31-10-2017 04:31PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Size would be a factor imo. These things are getting bigger, curious in and off itself.

And location. The poster who said they would wear it and not care, being the type I would object to.
The fact that many on this island have themselves lost loved ones to the actions of the British army should provoke some sensitivity in the wearer.

Isn't is supposed to be about respect? I don't see much respect from a lot of posters here, tbh.
It is noteworthy that there is no progress in northern Ireland because of the issue of respect for rights and cultural identity.

By all means wear the poppy, but recognise that there are sensitivities around it when in Ireland.

are they really? Cant say i've noticed the size of the poppies sold by the RBL getting bigger. The enamel ones i bought last year are actually quite small.

And as for location presumably you have a problem with people wearing them in public?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 31-10-2017 04:39PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Size would be a factor imo. These things are getting bigger, curious in and off itself.

And location. The poster who said they would wear it and not care, being the type I would object to.
The fact that many on this island have themselves lost loved ones to the actions of the British army should provoke some sensitivity in the wearer.

Isn't is supposed to be about respect? I don't see much respect from a lot of posters here, tbh.
It is noteworthy that there is no progress in northern Ireland because of the issue of respect for rights and cultural identity.

By all means wear the poppy, but recognise that there are sensitivities around it when in Ireland.

No, sorry. That doesn't help. They are the same size for many years. I don't get what you mean by location, at all.

Anyway, doesn't matter, I was just confused by your earlier post. Thanks anyhow.

murphthesmurf · 31-10-2017 04:43PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Size would be a factor imo. These things are getting bigger, curious in and off itself.

And location. The poster who said they would wear it and not care, being the type I would object to.
The fact that many on this island have themselves lost loved ones to the actions of the British army should provoke some sensitivity in the wearer.

Isn't is supposed to be about respect? I don't see much respect from a lot of posters here, tbh.
It is noteworthy that there is no progress in northern Ireland because of the issue of respect for rights and cultural identity.

By all means wear the poppy, but recognise that there are sensitivities around it when in Ireland.

When someone wears a poppy they are not wearing it to celebrate the victories in Ireland or the famine. I'm British, I know we have a somewhat shady past. I'm not wearing a poppy now as I don't know anywhere in Ireland that sells them. But if I were it would be to remember the dead who sacrificed so much for my freedom. The poppy is to remember the soldier and the sacrifices he/she made, not the politics behind the war. A soldier goes and fights where ever he is told to, he does not have a list of war options and ticks the box for the one he likes the sound of. The Iraq war as we now know was based on lies of WMD's, but does that diminish the lives of the soldiers that died there? No it does not. They were called upon to fight for their country and they did so, they should be remembered for that. Seeing the WW2 veterans lined up on Rememberance Day wearing their poppies is what inspires most if not all Britain's who wear one to do so.
If I had a poppy and decided to wear it tomorrow I would also be doing so for the Irish men who thought in WW2 and died.
You are reading politics into something which for the vast majority of people who wear the poppy has nothing to do with it.

FrancieBrady · 31-10-2017 04:44PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

are they really? Cant say i've noticed the size of the poppies sold by the RBL getting bigger. The enamel ones i bought last year are actually quite small.

And as for location presumably you have a problem with people wearing them in public?

Gibson Wide Matrix wrote: »

No, sorry. That doesn't help. They are the same size for many years. I don't get what you mean by location, at all.

Anyway, doesn't matter, I was just confused by your earlier post. Thanks anyhow.

On size, convince me that this is normal:

On location: If you refuse to accept that some people in some Irish communities would be sensitive to provocative displays of the poppy, then you won't get my meaning.

ohnonotgmail · 31-10-2017 04:45PM

murphthesmurf wrote: »

When someone wears a poppy they are not wearing it to celebrate the victories in Ireland or the famine. I'm British, I know we have a somewhat shady past. I'm not wearing a poppy now as I don't know anywhere in Ireland that sells them. But if I were it would be to remember the dead who sacrificed so much for my freedom. The poppy is to remember the soldier and the sacrifices he/she made, not the politics behind the war. A soldier goes and fights where ever he is told to, he does not have a list of war options and ticks the box for the one he likes the sound of. The Iraq war as we now know was based on lies of WMD's, but does that diminish the lives of the soldiers that died there? No it does not. They were called upon to fight for their country and they did so, they should be remembered for that. Seeing the WW2 veterans lined up on Rememberance Day wearing their poppies is what inspires most if not all Britain's who wear one to do so.
If I had a poppy and decided to wear it tomorrow I would also be doing so for the Irish men who thought in WW2 and died.
You are reading politics into something which for the vast majority of people who wear the poppy has nothing to do with it.

the RBL in limerick will send you an enamel one that incorporates a shamrock for a small donation. pm me and i'll give you the details.

ohnonotgmail · 31-10-2017 04:48PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

On size, convince me that this is normal:

no idea where she got that awful yoke but it wasnt from the RBL. It is most definitely not normal. It looks like she jus plucked one from the wreath. the other poppies visible in the photograph seem to be the normal size.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

On location: If you refuse to accept that some people in some Irish communities would be sensitive to provocative displays of the poppy, then you won't get my meaning.

Oh i get your meaning. you dont want people to wear them in public because you find them offensive. your offense is your issue not mine.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 31-10-2017 04:55PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

On size, convince me that this is normal:

On location: If you refuse to accept that some people in some Irish communities would be sensitive to provocative displays of the poppy, then you won't get my meaning.

I give up trying to understand. One in the picture is huge, the others are what most people would wear. As for location - spit it out!

A Little Pony · 31-10-2017 04:56PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

are they really? Cant say i've noticed the size of the poppies sold by the RBL getting bigger. The enamel ones i bought last year are actually quite small.

And as for location presumably you have a problem with people wearing them in public?

Gibson Wide Matrix wrote: »

No, sorry. That doesn't help. They are the same size for many years. I don't get what you mean by location, at all.

Anyway, doesn't matter, I was just confused by your earlier post. Thanks anyhow.

On size, convince me that this is normal:

On location: If you refuse to accept that some people in some Irish communities would be sensitive to provocative displays of the poppy, then you won't get my meaning.

Really? I will be attending my local cenotaph next month and will see lots of them that size rounded up together like that. It's been like that a hell of a long time. It's a tradition at memorials.

ohnonotgmail · 31-10-2017 04:57PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Really? I will be attending my local cenotaph next month and will see lots of them that size rounded up together like that. It's been like that a hell of a long time. It's a tradition at memorials.

I presumed they were referring to the one on her lapel not the wreath but i could be wrong.

A Little Pony · 31-10-2017 05:06PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Really? I will be attending my local cenotaph next month and will see lots of them that size rounded up together like that. It's been like that a hell of a long time. It's a tradition at memorials.

I presumed they were referring to the one on her lapel not the wreath but i could be wrong.

Don't see the issue at all with that.

ohnonotgmail · 31-10-2017 05:13PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Don't see the issue at all with that.

its ugly

Like i said it looks like she just plucked it from the wreath when she realised she didnt have one.

A Little Pony · 31-10-2017 05:16PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Don't see the issue at all with that.

its ugly Like i said it looks like she just plucked it from the wreath when she realised she didnt have one.

They sell those types. People forget you have different sizes of poppies, little crucifix with poppies on them are sold too. Variety you see.

FrancieBrady · 31-10-2017 05:17PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

its ugly Like i said it looks like she just plucked it from the wreath when she realised she didnt have one.

Don't think so. She seems to favour that size.

ohnonotgmail · 31-10-2017 05:20PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Don't think so. She seems to favour that size.

each to their own then. Presumably that is her father's medal ribbon she is wearing?

31-10-2017 05:58PM

If it's just about remembrance why isn't the white poppy more popular?

31-10-2017 06:09PM

dinorebel wrote: »

I'm English but live in Ireland my view of the poppy if you want to wear one wear it, if you don't want to wear one don't but neither position gives you the right to criticize the others stance.

It’s just become indicative of today’s social media fueled society. It’s just something else for people to get outraged about and for people to get outraged about people getting outraged.

31-10-2017 06:12PM

riffmongous wrote: »

If it's just about remembrance why isn't the white poppy more popular?

the white poppy is not a symbol of remembrance, but a symbol of moral equivalence which is adored by those who seem to grieve for dead anti-Nazis and Nazis alike.

It is nothing more than a tasteless parody of the poppy.

FrancieBrady · 31-10-2017 06:19PM

Aegir wrote: »

It’s just become indicative of today’s social media fueled society. It’s just something else for people to get outraged about and for people to get outraged about people getting outraged.

There is a social media element that I hate too. The element who think nothing is worth standing up for. If this is no issue for you, why even click on the thread?
There are hundreds of threads I don't open because I have no issue or interest in their subject matter.

Are we over the annual poppy thread?

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