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Irish Players outside the Provinces 17/18

  • 01-10-2017 5:03pm
    #1
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭


    We saw in the past 2-weeks IQs in England like O'Connell, Daniel Kenny, Peter Lydon, Joe Joyce and it raised a technical question

    some focused on the 5-years rule for eligibility, but there was another change, which matters a lot for the talented Piers O'Connor

    1) He  played for England U20, but Saxons are their 2nd team
    2) He played for England 7's BUT was 19, so he can switch aliegence with the new law
    3) he's still eligible for Ireland through his father

    So my question is : does we have to wait until the 1st of January 2021 to see such a promising player with the Irish jersey, or is this part of the law enforced sooner?
    Hope he won't be (re)captured by a stupid 7's/Saxons cap...


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  • #2
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    I don't get it, why would he play for Ireland?


  • #3
    Erik Shin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭Erik Shin


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    I don't get it, why would he play for Ireland?

    Surely the name Piers has him immediately disqualified ?


  • #4
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,101 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    connachta wrote: »
    We saw in the past 2-weeks IQs in England like O'Connell, Daniel Kenny, Peter Lydon, Joe Joyce and it raised a technical question

    some focused on the 5-years rule for eligibility, but there was another change, which matters a lot for the talented Piers O'Connor

    1) He  played for England U20, but Saxons are their 2nd team
    2) He played for England 7's BUT was 19, so he can switch aliegence with the new law
    3) he's still eligible for Ireland through his father

    So my question is : does we have to wait until the 1st of January 2021 to see such a promising player with the Irish jersey, or is this part of the law enforced sooner?
    Hope he won't be (re)captured by a stupid 7's/Saxons cap...

    Who is Piers O'Connor


  • #5
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    So, everybody is going to avoid the main question to focus on the example?

    2014011-42275714-1600-900.jpg


  • #6
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    connachta wrote: »
    So, everybody is going to avoid the main question to focus on the example?

    2014011-42275714-1600-900.jpg

    The main question isn't very clear. What is the significance of 2021?


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  • #7
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    connachta wrote: »
    We saw in the past 2-weeks IQs in England like O'Connell, Daniel Kenny, Peter Lydon, Joe Joyce and it raised a technical question

    some focused on the 5-years rule for eligibility, but there was another change, which matters a lot for the talented Piers O'Connor

    1) He played for England U20, but Saxons are their 2nd team
    2) He played for England 7's BUT was 19, so he can switch aliegence with the new law
    3) he's still eligible for Ireland through his father

    So my question is : does we have to wait until the 1st of January 2021 to see such a promising player with the Irish jersey, or is this part of the law enforced sooner?
    Hope he won't be (re)captured by a stupid 7's/Saxons cap...
    What do you mean by technical question? He has played for the irish u19s but didnt play 20s as England chose him/Ireland didnt and 20s is irrelevant as Saxons/Wolfhounds are the second designated qualifying team for each nation and 20s doesnt count for locking anyone to a country
    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Who is Piers O'Connor
    Played Irish 19s a few years ago but lived all time in England and been involved with a few english pro set ups while in school and since finishing secondary school


  • #8
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    We saw in the past 2-weeks IQs in England like O'Connell, Daniel Kenny, Peter Lydon, Joe Joyce and it raised a technical question

    some focused on the 5-years rule for eligibility, but there was another change, which matters a lot for the talented Piers O'Connor

    1) He  played for England U20, but Saxons are their 2nd team
    2) He played for England 7's BUT was 19, so he can switch aliegence with the new law
    3) he's still eligible for Ireland through his father

    So my question is : does we have to wait until the 1st of January 2021 to see such a promising player with the Irish jersey, or is this part of the law enforced sooner?
    Hope he won't be (re)captured by a stupid 7's/Saxons cap...
    What do you mean by technical question? He has played for the irish u19s but didnt play 20s as England chose him/Ireland didnt and 20s is irrelevant as Saxons/Wolfhounds are the second designated qualifying team for each nation and 20s doesnt count for locking anyone to a country
    That's what I said U20 isn't an issue. English 7's cap was but no more is or no more will be. Because of the new IRB rules
    is or will be? That's my question. The 5 year-residency rule will be enforced in January 2021. That's why I wonder if the "U20 playing 7s doesn't count" rule applies now or in 2021.
    TBC is Piers O'Connor, or anyone in a similar case, an IQ as soon as now, or only will be in 3 years (if he doesn't play with Saxons/7's in the meantime)?


  • #9
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users Posts: 5,960 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    If he's elligible for Ireland through his father, why is residency even being discussed?


  • #10
    Interested Observer
    Registered Users Posts: 12,999 ✭✭✭✭Interested Observer


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    If he's elligible for Ireland through his father, why is residency even being discussed?

    Yeah. Seems like he's eligible for Ireland until such a time as he isn't - i.e. plays for England.


  • #11
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    No he wasn't anymore as he played with Englang 7's

    But he was 19. So the new rule implies he's IQ (again). But when? 2021 when the law is enforced for the 5-year-residency rule or now?


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  • #12
    Erik Shin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭Erik Shin


    It's a moot point, he considers himself English and he's not considering switching back?


  • #13
    Buer
    Registered Users Posts: 24,174 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    He's hardly a world beater playing in the Championship and his aim appears to be representing England. Not sure why it's even a discussion.


  • #14
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    Again O'Connor, who looks promising, can change his mind as only 22.

    AND he was an example for my rule questionning (U20 7s switching country, date of enforcement), I have no answer about it yet :)


  • #15
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    connachta wrote: »
    Again O'Connor, who looks promising, can change his mind as only 22.

    AND he was an example for my rule questionning (U20 7s switching country, date of enforcement), I have no answer about it yet :)

    He can play for Ireland today if he wants to. Likely he doesn't.


  • #16
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    Again O'Connor, who looks promising, can change his mind as only 22.

    AND he was an example for my rule questionning (U20 7s switching country, date of enforcement), I have no answer about it yet :)

    He can play for Ireland today if he wants to.  Likely he doesn't.
    Thank you.
    Even if he doesn't, it matters for a province looking for an IQ centre in the future :)


  • #17
    Quintis
    Registered Users Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Quintis


    Marty Moore with a try for Wasps yesterday, played 57 minutes


  • #18
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    More like... Party More


  • #19
    Winters
    Registered Users Posts: 14,761 ✭✭✭✭Winters


    Anyone seen much of Ian Madigan in Bristol this season? Looks like he has got game time expect against Ealing recently.


  • #20
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Interesting to see Tadhg McElroy starting at blindside for Saracens A this weekend


  • #21
    irishfan9
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,585 ✭✭✭irishfan9


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Interesting to see Tadhg McElroy starting at blindside for Saracens A this weekend

    weird, must have an injury crisis.


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  • #22
    Wegians89
    Registered Users Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Ciaran gaffney starting at 15 for zebre vs munster


  • #23
    Sangre
    Registered Users Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Interesting to see Tadhg McElroy starting at blindside for Saracens A this weekend
    Saracens A, also referred to as "The Bin Juice" by the Saracens players.  Source: Big Jim Hamilton.


  • #24
    irishfan9
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,585 ✭✭✭irishfan9


    Sangre wrote: »
    Saracens A, also referred to as "The Bin Juice" by the Saracens players.  Source: Big Jim Hamilton.

    that dirty?


  • #25
    Locke_Lamora
    Registered Users Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Locke_Lamora


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnw-QdlxUGc
    Saracens A game being streamed live


  • #26
    Wegians89
    Registered Users Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Anyone know much about how peter Lydon is getting on?


  • #27
    Don Kiddick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭Don Kiddick


    Wegians89 wrote: »
    Anyone know much about how peter Lydon is getting on?

    Playing for Ealing these days, did win at the weekend, but he wasn't in the 23... wouldnt be looking too hot for him I think


  • #28
    Rigor Mortis
    Registered Users Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭Rigor Mortis


    Another guy who is doing well for Bristol this year is Jason Harris Wright. 5 tries in 7 games this season.


  • #29
    Wegians89
    Registered Users Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Rigor Mortis wrote: »
    Another guy who is doing well for Bristol this year is Jason Harris Wright. 5 tries in 7 games this season.

    JHW was always pretty talented, injuries were his curse


  • #30
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    Wegians89 wrote: »
    Rigor Mortis wrote: »
    Another guy who is doing well for Bristol this year is Jason Harris Wright.  5 tries in 7 games this season.

    JHW was always pretty talented, injuries were his curse
    And he was not immaculate in his gameplay, I trust Delahunt/Heff a lot, McCartney should have 2 more years in him too.

    no need to rush for hooker in Connacht...

    Gilsenan only played 11 yesterday but a full hour the week before with L.I. He looked good, and involved.
    perfect player to cover for Butler, and he should be interested now the londonians are very much on their way to relegation again
    Fergus Mulchrone playing there too, but he's limited IMO


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  • #31
    Buer
    Registered Users Posts: 24,174 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Don Kiddick wrote: »
    Playing for Ealing these days, did win at the weekend, but he wasn't in the 23... wouldnt be looking too hot for him I think

    That was the first game he missed this season. He's the top scorer in the league and having a tidy season. I'd imagine he has ambitions still to get a contract with one of the top flight teams.


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