Zero respect for our environment?

wakka12 · 05-08-2017 11:09AM

People will never care about something like the environment until it negatively affects them personally, the environment and the future implications of our present actions are just too far removed from our lives for most people to care..unfortunately

Widdershins · 05-08-2017 11:23AM

Proveithull wrote: »

Tree hugging bastards.

Go fking join Greenpeace or something FFS

I wanted to run away with the Greenpeace ship as a child. Proud treehugger here.

kylith · 05-08-2017 11:31AM

Track down who's fly tipping and pump waste through their letterbox, I say. That'll learn 'em.

Owryan · 05-08-2017 11:44AM

Why pay for bins when the ditches and streams are free?

Widdershins · 05-08-2017 11:46AM

Alun wrote: »

A lot of stuff that's fly tipped is electrical, which can be recycled for free. Why bother driving out into the countryside to dump it when you can just as easily drive to the local recycling centre or electrical retailer?

Another source is building waste, from renovations for example. So you can afford several thousand for a new kitchen or bathroom, but can't afford to pay a few hundred to get rid of the waste legally?

They must not realise you can recycle the electrical stuff for free or don't have the wherewithall to find out how and where to do it. Maybe psychological issues? If someone's depressed, financially in trouble etc maybe they don't think sensibly like that. They probably do not care, granted!

wakka12 wrote: »

People will never care about something like the environment until it negatively affects them personally, the environment and the future implications of our present actions are just too far removed from our lives for most people to care..unfortunately

True for some but if it was true for all why do the people on this thread care? We could all be tipping bags of used nappies and takeaway boxes out the car windows in that case. The nappies are the worst by the way..I used to see them thrown on the ground in a car park sometimes.

Owryan · 05-08-2017 11:47AM

wakka12 wrote: »

People will never care about something like the environment until it negatively affects them personally, the environment and the future implications of our present actions are just too far removed from our lives for most people to care..unfortunately

Someone was dumping oil into a river here in Carlow which lead to issues with water supply/quality. Who was blamed? The dumper? No, Irish water, it was all their fault. All that money and they couldn't supply clean water.

Some people seem to think environmental protection is a job for government and not for them .

Widdershins · 05-08-2017 11:50AM

Downupdown wrote: »

Greenpeace is calling you!

No, pack of smelly barstewards. They're quite controversial now.

What about farm fertilisers going into the rivers. And milk. Not so obvious as a bag of rubbish but just as destructive.

In case people don't know, they do enforce the fine system for illegal dumping. I know someone who did it and they went through the rubbish with a fine-toothed comb and found a prescription bottle or container with her name on it. (I knew her through work years ago, and no it wasn't me!)

Wanderer78 · 05-08-2017 11:50AM

'The polluter pays' principle is flawed I'm afraid, I suspect the more this is pushed onto us, the less buy in from all will occur, increasing illegal dumping and burning.

Sam Kade · 05-08-2017 12:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Who is this we?

I don't know anyone who fly tips. Sure, plenty who complain about the cost of waste disposal, the amount of packaging used on goods etc...even a couple who sneak their waste into local authority bins. But no one who fly tips. I don't see it as some social necessity at all.

They don't normally go around broadcasting it

IvyTheTerrible · 05-08-2017 12:06PM

Sam Kade wrote: »

They don't normally go around broadcasting it

I worked with someone briefly who proudly told his colleagues about his spins into the city centre to dump his rubbish with McDonalds rubbish.

Samaris · 05-08-2017 12:09PM

Patww79 wrote: »

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Why do you have no choice? I live somewhere where we don't have rubbish collected (and actually cannot get it collected). We burn what we can, compost what we can and everything else goes to the landfill about once every two months. Sure, there's issues with burning it and there's issues with having to take a sixty kilometer trip to dispose of the rubbish, but to say there's no alternative to fly-tipping is daft and, thus far, appears lazy.

Del2005 · 05-08-2017 12:38PM

Widdershins wrote: »

I do believe some of it if not all of it is being done by people in dire straits and whether they blame the state for not helping them is neither here nor there really. The disregard for the environment, or the disinterest, is the worrying thing.

If people are in dire straits then how can they afford a new sofa or fridge? The sofas I've seen all look fairly good and if you can get a fridge to the middle of a mountain you have enough money to get it to the local WEEE centre.

The issue is that people always blame the government or someone else for the problem. In the Grenfell Tower the residents were blaming the council for not removing rubbish from the fire escapes, why weren't they blaming the residents for dumping the rubbish in the fire escapes? Or our own ethnic minority are saying that their sites are a fire hazard because of all the rubbish they are collecting (but blame on others dumping! ) Because it's easier to blame outsiders than face up to the fact that you are living with people who don't give a toss.

Only last week I was driving beside an ethnic minority multi unit residence and there was a lovely tyre fire burning. There's not even any money in metal anymore but they are still burning them for a few cent of metal.

Wheeliebin30 · 05-08-2017 01:50PM

Just have to accept there is a section of society who don't want to pay for anything and have no respect or regard for anyone else.

Once they have enough money for smokes, drink and gambling then screw everyone else.

We're really not a nice country.

Wanderer78 · 05-08-2017 02:02PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Just have to accept there is a section of society who don't want to pay for anything and have no respect or regard for anyone else.

Once they have enough money for smokes, drink and gambling then screw everyone else.

We're really not a nice country.

we have flawed thinking regarding our environmental issues, creating flawed policies in trying to deal with them. we have created complex economic and financial systems based on flawed theories and ideologies, exacerbating our environmental issues. strangely, some of those that 'dont want to pay' are not who d you d expect. we have created a construct called 'the market' that has a lot to answer for regarding our environmental issues.

those that whom you refer to may actually be struggling with complex issues such as mental health issues etc!

our country isnt that bad, theres far worse out there

odyssey06 · 05-08-2017 02:11PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

those that whom you refer to may actually be struggling with complex issues such as mental health issues etc!

If they're struggling that badly, and having such an impact on the rest of society, for their own well-being and that of others, they should be taken into protective care where they can be treated.

Wanderer78 · 05-08-2017 02:14PM

odyssey06 wrote:

If they're struggling that badly, and having such an impact on the rest of society, for their own well-being and that of others, they should be taken into protective care.

Interesting idea, maybe propose it next time you're talking to a politician, be interesting to see what happens. Be interesting to see how that would be funded!

odyssey06 · 05-08-2017 02:19PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Interesting idea, maybe propose it next time you're talking to a politician, be interesting to see what happens. Be interesting to see how that would be funded!

I'd be doubtful any of ours would have the vision!
But it might be cheaper than dealing with the effects of anti-social behaviour, drink, drugs, fly tipping etc in 'wider' society, and infantalising the rest of society because we have a section of society who can't look after themselves as adults in a responsible manner.

The people illegally dumping are unlikely to be perfectly law-abiding citizens in every other respect, they'll be driving badly, they'll be drink and drug driving; probably without tax and insurance, and in car without an NCT...

Samaris · 05-08-2017 02:24PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

I'd be doubtful any of ours would have the vision!
But it might be cheaper than dealing with the effects of anti-social behaviour, drink, drugs, fly tipping etc in 'wider' society, and infantalising the rest of society because we have a section of society who can't look after themselves as adults in a responsible manner.

The people illegally dumping are unlikely to be perfectly law-abiding citizens in every other respect, they'll be driving badly, they'll be drink and drug driving; probably without tax and insurance, and in car without an NCT...

Thing is though, there is always a portion of the population who etcetera, which is why we need laws in the first place.

odyssey06 · 05-08-2017 02:30PM

Samaris wrote: »

Thing is though, there is always a portion of the population who etcetera, which is why we need laws in the first place.

True, but if we're not willing to put these kinds of people into prisons for anti-social behaviour because they're "struggling with complex issues such as mental health issues" rather than say "career criminals" ... perhaps some form of alternative treatment-based institution might be in order?

I don't think it would be a good idea to mix the two populations or treat them the same.
I do think the state needs to take a firmer hand with them.

Widdershins · 05-08-2017 03:02PM

Del2005 wrote: »

If people are in dire straits then how can they afford a new sofa or fridge? The sofas I've seen all look fairly good and if you can get a fridge to the middle of a mountain you have enough money to get it to the local WEEE centre.

The issue is that people always blame the government or someone else for the problem. In the Grenfell Tower the residents were blaming the council for not removing rubbish from the fire escapes, why weren't they blaming the residents for dumping the rubbish in the fire escapes? Or our own ethnic minority are saying that their sites are a fire hazard because of all the rubbish they are collecting (but blame on others dumping! ) Because it's easier to blame outsiders than face up to the fact that you are living with people who don't give a toss.

Only last week I was driving beside an ethnic minority multi unit residence and there was a lovely tyre fire burning. There's not even any money in metal anymore but they are still burning them for a few cent of metal.

Yes I agree. Unless they've just got the sofa from Freecycle because the other one was wrecked or something, and they don't know what to do with the old one. Some people aren't very bright or have mental problems. Maybe the recycling centres could be better publicised..do most people know where they are, what they accept and the fees are?
Most of the time it does look like selfishness. Halting site residents are supposed to have their bins paid for so there's no excuse.

Del2005 · 05-08-2017 03:23PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Yes I agree. Unless they've just got the sofa from Freecycle because the other one was wrecked or something, and they don't know what to do with the old one. Some people aren't very bright or have mental problems. Maybe the recycling centres could be better publicised..do most people know where they are, what they accept and the fees are?
Most of the time it does look like selfishness. Halting site residents are supposed to have their bins paid for so there's no excuse.

If someone has the ability to get something from Freecycle they have the ability to dispose of it properly.

Why is it that people who aren't very bright or have mental issues only have problems with disposal not acquiring? It's because people keep making excuses for them being slobs.

Samaris · 05-08-2017 03:32PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

True, but if we're not willing to put these kinds of people into prisons for anti-social behaviour because they're "struggling with complex issues such as mental health issues" rather than say "career criminals" ... perhaps some form of alternative treatment-based institution might be in order?

I don't think it would be a good idea to mix the two populations or treat them the same.
I do think the state needs to take a firmer hand with them.

I'm not sure I'd accept mental health issues as an excuse for fly-tipping, tbh.

cbreeze · 05-08-2017 03:37PM

josey_whale wrote: »

Dear all,

Why is it that a certain percentage of our population have zero respect for our environment?

I am aware that this is a global problem. However, I'd like to address this on a local level. Today (in the the Irish Times), it was reported that there has been a development in the case of Jim Ferry - who is involved with refuse collection/disposal in Donegal.

As a native of Donegal, I am outraged by Jim Ferry's behavior. He and many like him have ZERO RESPECT for our environment. Unfortunately, I have to share our environment with people like this. WTF is wrong with people like this?

Why do we tolerate people who disrespect our environment?

The Court should give this little gombeen a wheelbarrow and a shovel and make him personally shift it bit by bit on foot to where it should go. I don't want to pay for his keep in the nearest jail when he could be usefully put to work for some considerable time.

Widdershins · 05-08-2017 04:06PM

Del2005 wrote: »

If someone has the ability to get something from Freecycle they have the ability to dispose of it properly.

Why is it that people who aren't very bright or have mental issues only have problems with disposal not acquiring? It's because people keep making excuses for them being slobs.

Not meant as an excuse, just a reason. Freecycle's obvious, directions given etc. Thats why I said publicise recycling centres.

wally1990 · 05-08-2017 04:31PM

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

I'm involved in my local Tidy Towns (if that doesn't improve my cachet on Boards nothing will) and this just breaks my heart. In the local car park people reverse up to the ditch and empty their entire boot into it. They leave sacks of rubbish beside the recycling bins and all the containers they use for their recycling beside it. The village bins are overflowing with household waste from people who won't pay for a refuse collection. The charity shop has broken chairs and headless dolls and wheelless prams left outside it every morning - utter junk that they then have to pay to get rid of. There are five black sacks a week dumped outside the old people's centre.

None of that is long term environmental damage, but it's slow, insidious day to day damage for everyone who has to out up with it. And don't even start me on the graffiti. There is a certain section of Irish society that have a complete lack of respect for other people and their surroundings. It's beyond me. Other countries are not like this, kids are raised to have pride in their local area. Here they expect everyone else to pick up after them. I just don't know WTF is wrong with these people.

Some people are just trash themselves . Simple , brought up to have no respect and probably a self entilited attitude and passed through generations

Widdershins · 05-08-2017 05:33PM

I think a love of the land and nature is of key importance to mental wellbeing. It's good for a person and obviously shows in responsible behaviour like NOT dumping rubbish. Why is it absent in so many people though. What we have is taken for granted or not appreciated at all.

Owryan · 05-08-2017 06:05PM

I live 5 minutes from a bottle bank. What I don't understand is why people will actually go to it, take the time to put their bottles in the correct bin but then throw the box/bag on the ground and leave it there.

There is a bin for rubbish beside it and a bin for cardboard, but oh no "I ll throw it on the ground".

eeguy · 05-08-2017 06:14PM

Owryan wrote: »

I live 5 minutes from a bottle bank. What I don't understand is why people will actually go to it, take the time to put their bottles in the correct bin but then throw the box/bag on the ground and leave it there.

There is a bin for rubbish beside it and a bin for cardboard, but oh no "I ll throw it on the ground".

You see threads here from people giving out they got caught leaving boxes and rubbish beside the bins.
"Shure it was close enough".

I do think the govt should have an rubbish amnesty every so often. Have a free weekend where you can bring all your sh*t and old furniture and appliances to the dump, just to take it out of circulation.

I don't know why access to recycling centers isn't free. It really shouldn't cost you money to recycle.

Owryan · 05-08-2017 06:24PM

eeguy wrote: »

You see threads here from people giving out they got caught leaving boxes and rubbish beside the bins.
"Shure it was close enough".

I do think the govt should have an rubbish amnesty every so often. Have a free weekend where you can bring all your sh*t and old furniture and appliances to the dump, just to take it out of circulation.

I don't know why access to recycling centers isn't free. It really shouldn't cost you money to recycle.

The landfill in Carlow is €2 for recycling. There are bottle banks around the town and they are free.

There have been free recycling drives where you could get a skip for your estate or bring whatever to a collection point. Ended up being abused.

The last collection was for electrical goods, they even collected if you couldn't bring it. People ended up dumping furniture, black sacks of rubbish and garden waste. Not surprisingly hasn't been done since.

Galwayguy35 · 05-08-2017 06:47PM

I live in a small village and we have a tidy up every few months, the area around the bottle banks are a disgrace and there have been complaints that all sorts of sh1te are being thrown into the clothes bank.

The area around the village is ideal habitat for deer and other animals and because the land was unsuitable for farming is pretty much the same as it was before there were people.

But everything from fridges to beds and everything in between is regularly dumped there, and although I wish it wasn't true it's probably locals doing it.

Zero respect for our environment?

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