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General Ongoing Doctor Discussion

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  • #152
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    Doctor Who was one of the very few genuine good male role models left out there for young men sad to see that change I must say.

    Yes, they're are so few male lead roles left in tv...


  • #153
    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    Doctor Who was one of the very few genuine good male role models left out there for young men sad to see that change I must say.

    Why does the Doctor have to be male. The Master has been female for the last few seasons.


  • #154
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,924 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    After been forced to watch St. Trinians years ago, my patience for those actors is low

    She's in those for like 2 minutes.
    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    Doctor Who was one of the very few genuine good male role models left out there for young men sad to see that change I must say.

    I can see your point, to a degree, but I think we should be at a point in time now where boys don't think they can only be influenced by men. Same goes for girls with women. If the Doctor still has all the qualities of the previous 12 then why can't a young boy look up to her?


  • #155
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,320 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Great decision, she was great in Attack the Block too. Would have liked Richard Ayode myself but this is pretty awesome too.


  • #156
    Ben Gadot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭Ben Gadot


    snowflaker wrote: »
    You knew it was female by the frame

    Didn't myself by the angles at first. Looked too broad shouldered.


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  • #157
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,924 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Ben Gadot wrote: »
    Didn't myself by the angles at first. Looked too broad shouldered.

    Same. I immediately thought it was too broad to be a woman.


  • #158
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    I figured the second they were hiding the hair, it was a woman. If it was a guy with short hair, they'd have shown it but they were hiding her features.


  • #159
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,320 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    McLoughlin wrote: »
    Put up with allot of nonsense over past 10 years of Nu Who but kept watching out of habit but a female doctor feels too much of a desperate gimmick and is enough for me not to tune in.

    A regenerating alien time lord who battles unfathomable enemies to save a multitude of civilisations on a regular basis is believable but it's her being a woman that's the gimmick to far for you? Riiiiight.


  • #160
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,081 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    Doctor Who was one of the very few genuine good male role models left out there for young men sad to see that change I must say.

    Young men have had several decades of a good male role model that aren't suddenly erased by this announcement, y'know! And female characters can be role models for young men, too!

    Let's hope this take on one of pop culture's most changeable, dynamic characters is remembered not only as a belated pioneer, but a genuinely worthy addition to a television tradition.


  • #161
    coffee_cake
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    I was driving when the announcement was made - who is it? Olivia whatsherface?
    Edit: i see now, interesting. Don't know her at all really.
    I'll find it strange if it's not a guy anymore but sure looking forward to seeing how this goes!definitely not got a problem with it


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  • #162
    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Is the who point of been called The Doctor was to not distinguish a gender. As another post said the regeneration process is meant to be lottery you could have 2 heads, a tail, look like other species. So why not another gender. Those who chose to throw there toys out of the box and not watch because WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH the Doctor is a female should have a look at themselves. Now for someone who has a name like James Bond I be saying its a gimmick. Would still watch but be saying it was a gimmick


  • #163
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    bluewolf wrote: »
    I was driving when the announcement was made - who is it? Olivia whatsherface?

    Jodie Whittaker


  • #164
    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Ben Gadot wrote: »
    Didn't myself by the angles at first. Looked too broad shouldered.

    Thought that 2


  • #165
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,320 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    johnny_ultimate wrote: »
    Young men have had several decades of a good male role model that aren't suddenly erased by this announcement, y'know! And female characters can be role models for young men, too!

    Captain Picard, Superman, Professor Xavier and Malcolm Reynolds are all dead now, killed by the 13th Doctor. RIP.


  • #166
    ebbsy
    Registered Users Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Death blow for Doctor Who.


  • #167
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    Blah.
    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Meh.

    Wont be that interested in the next season.
    McLoughlin wrote: »
    Put up with allot of nonsense over past 10 years of Nu Who but kept watching out of habit but a female doctor feels too much of a desperate gimmick and is enough for me not to tune in.
    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    Doctor Who was one of the very few genuine good male role models left out there for young men sad to see that change I must say.

    +1 Yep, Game Over for me. There has been more than enough Right On BBC style ham fisted virtue signalling and gender politics in the last while, so this hardly comes as a shock.
    martingriff wrote:
    Why does the Doctor have to be male. The Master has been female for the last few seasons.
    Which was also a gimmick.
    Now for someone who has a name like James Bond I be saying its a gimmick. Would still watch but be saying it was a gimmick
    Jesus.
    super_furry wrote:
    A regenerating alien time lord who battles unfathomable enemies to save a multitude of civilisations on a regular basis is believable but it's her being a woman that's the gimmick to far for you? Riiiiight.
    Yep, because it's BBC politics playing fast and loose.
    johnny_ultimate wrote:
    Young men have had several decades of a good male role model that aren't suddenly erased by this announcement, y'know! And female characters can be role models for young men, too!
    I disagree. And look at the current crop of fantasy/sci fi shows. Even where the men are leads they're regularly seen as a bit silly and need a woman to steer them right.
    CastorTroy wrote: »
    If she can be quirky and they don't play up her gender too much, she'll be grand.
    "they don't play up her gender too much"? The last series was all about that kind of nonsense.

    So yeah...

    headdesk.jpg?w=240

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #168
    coffee_cake
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    I absolutely and utterly love missy. Michelle gomez is fantastic.
    Hey missy you so fine


  • #169
    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Wibbs wrote: »
    +1 Yep, Game Over for me. There has been more than enough Right On BBC style ham fisted virtue signalling and gender politics in the last while, so this hardly comes as a shock.

    Which was also a gimmick.

    Jesus.

    Yep, because it's BBC politics playing fast and loose.

    I disagree. And look at the current crop of fantasy/sci fi shows. Even where the men are leads they're regularly seen as a bit silly and need a woman to steer them right.

    "they don't play up her gender too much"? The last series was all about that kind of nonsense.

    So yeah...

    headdesk.jpg?w=240

    May have been at the start but hey it worked and people like her character. Yes I think James Bond as a woman would be a gimmick but I would still watch to see if it was any good and make a decision to see if it would fit.

    But your stance of oh its a woman so be crap has to be a man and not watching to find out is crazy

    But hey your choice. Just do not det defensive when people point it out


  • #170
    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Death blow for Doctor Who.

    Without even watching it.


  • #171
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    My attitude with any casting choice for a character I know would be to write a list of ten characteristics about them, and see how many the casted actor hits.

    Admittedly, "The Doctor is a man" would be on that list, and Jodie doesn't hit it....but if she can hit the other 9, who cares if she misses what is, ultimately, one of the least significant ones.


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  • #172
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,320 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Some really nice stuff from Colin Baker on twitter about the new Doctor.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/sawboneshex/status/886608978138083335


    https://mobile.twitter.com/sawboneshex/status/886613052447129601


  • #173
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Why does the doctor have to be a man?


  • #174
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Wibbs wrote: »
    +1 Yep, Game Over for me. There has been more than enough Right On BBC style ham fisted virtue signalling and gender politics in the last while, so this hardly comes as a shock.

    Which was also a gimmick.

    Jesus.

    Yep, because it's BBC politics playing fast and loose.

    I disagree. And look at the current crop of fantasy/sci fi shows. Even where the men are leads they're regularly seen as a bit silly and need a woman to steer them right.

    "they don't play up her gender too much"? The last series was all about that kind of nonsense.

    So yeah...

    headdesk.jpg?w=240

    Ay right. People have different opinions to yours. Best to ridicule......


  • #175
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Wibbs wrote: »
    +1 Yep, Game Over for me. There has been more than enough Right On BBC style ham fisted virtue signalling and gender politics in the last while, so this hardly comes as a shock.

    Which was also a gimmick.

    Jesus.

    Yep, because it's BBC politics playing fast and loose.

    I disagree. And look at the current crop of fantasy/sci fi shows. Even where the men are leads they're regularly seen as a bit silly and need a woman to steer them right.

    "they don't play up her gender too much"? The last series was all about that kind of nonsense.

    So yeah...

    headdesk.jpg?w=240

    Ay right. People have different opinions to yours. Best to ridicule......


  • #176
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    The broflakes are out in force already it seems...


  • #177
    CastorTroy
    Registered Users Posts: 28,786 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Wibbs wrote: »
    "they don't play up her gender too much"? The last series was all about that kind of nonsense.

    So yeah...

    Pretty sure it was a man playing the Doctor in the last season


  • #178
    alchemist33
    Registered Users Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    My attitude with any casting choice for a character I know would be to write a list of ten characteristics about them, and see how many the casted actor hits.

    Admittedly, "The Doctor is a man" would be on that list, and Jodie doesn't hit it....but if she can hit the other 9, who cares if she misses what is, ultimately, one of the least significant ones.

    Quite a sensible way to see it.

    Unlike the previously mentioned James Bond whose maleness is so essential to the character that changing that one characteristic would invalidate her/him.


  • #179
    pixelburp
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    ebbsy wrote: »
    Death blow for Doctor Who.

    Oh come on. Don't like the choice if you want, but don't bow to hyperbole, just cos a fictional time travelling alien who changes faces, changes to a version you don't approve of.


  • #180
    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    alchemist33 wrote: »
    Quite a sensible way to see it.

    Unlike the previously mentioned James Bond whose maleness is so essential to the character that changing that one characteristic would invalidate her/him.

    The only reason I would call the cast of James Bond a gimmick is because of the name James which is a males names and brings up the thought of a man. I also said I would watch the movie to see how the actress would fit in and it could work.

    A female spy I be up for it I think it be a great concept. It was only because of the name James

    The Doctor to me is gender neutral


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  • #181
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,081 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    At first the insane reaction from the small few twitter crazies to casting females in popular genre fiction infuriated me.

    Now I just find it kind of absurdly funny, with a hint of pity.

    Doctor Who will survive and continue to thrive.


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