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Government Capital Spending on Infrastructure

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  • #2
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,266 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    I do hope something happens soon, even a solid announcement. The state of transport in this country is atrocious, even Greece is miles a ahead of us.


  • #3
    D.L.R.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭D.L.R.


    Good. Outside help. The Irish state has proven itself incapable of doing the job itself.


  • #4
    CatInABox
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,226 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    D.L.R. wrote: »
    Good. Outside help. The Irish state has proven itself incapable of doing the job itself.

    Time and time again....

    Personally speaking, I think it's a little bit of cover for political spending. Everyone knows what has to be done, but getting it approved politically has always been the problem. Now Leo and the gang can point to the IMF report and say "These guys say it's vital, so we're going to prioritise that instead of the road in the middle of the nowhere that is only being considered because of one very vocal politician."


  • #5
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Ireland being benchmarked against similarly developed countries?

    Denmark, please benchmark it against Denmark.


  • #6
    bk
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    This is the important part:
    Ireland's infrastructure will be benchmarked against comparable developed countries

    I suspect that with the exception of the M20, they will find that we already have more then enough roads. But that we are seriously lacking in public transport infrastructure, in particular trams and Metros. Probably also cycling infrastructure.

    As others have said about, it is likely to be the necessary cover to get a big investment in Dublin going, without too much complaining from rural Ireland.


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  • #7
    myshirt
    Registered Users Posts: 5,245 ✭✭✭myshirt


    Ireland needs a strong Dublin, but Dublin needs a strong region. The M20 has to be the top of the list by a mile at only €1BN. A bargain. Do that, and develop the airports and raise the roof for investment. After that, yes we need more and more investment in Dublin because let's be fair, on a European wide level and global level Dublin is a small city, albeit a city that is boxing smart.


  • #8
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,446 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    myshirt wrote: »
    Ireland needs a strong Dublin, but Dublin needs a strong region. The M20 has to be the top of the list by a mile at only €1BN. A bargain. Do that, and develop the airports and raise the roof for investment. After that, yes we need more and more investment in Dublin because let's be fair, on a European wide level and global level Dublin is a small city, albeit a city that is boxing smart.

    I'm a Corkonian living in Dublin. The M20 is needed, but Metro North is far more important IMO.

    The regional airports don't really need any more development, we already have far too many for such a small country! And they are already pretty well developed. Dublin Airport on the other hand badly needs the second runway, badly needs Metro North and needs to start thinking about a third terminal.

    I suspect M20 will get the go ahead, but it will be the one project to say that areas outside of Dublin get development, while in fact the majority of investment will be heading to Dublin, as that is where it is really needed.

    Metro North will likely be priority number one.


  • #9
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    myshirt wrote: »
    Ireland needs a strong Dublin, but Dublin needs a strong region. The M20 has to be the top of the list by a mile at only €1BN. A bargain. Do that, and develop the airports and raise the roof for investment. After that, yes we need more and more investment in Dublin because let's be fair, on a European wide level and global level Dublin is a small city, albeit a city that is boxing smart.

    It's a pity that there's not one airport serving both Cork and Limerick equidistant between the two that would help transport links between the two cities, better air connections and allow the two cities to develop a hub to offer an alternative to Dublin.


  • #10
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    bk wrote: »
    without too much complaining from rural Ireland.

    Owe rural Ireland will still complain they'll jump in their cars and drive up the fancy motorways, some will even use their free transport to have a leisurely trip up in the failing railway to protest that bally3people doesn't have its motorway.


  • #11
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,266 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Just the other day a group of grain farmers blocked traffic on Stephen's Green with a combine harvester. Their demand: they want to be compensated for a bad harvest due to poor weather. The scary thing is a few years ago they almost certainly would have been given the cash and indeed they still might.

    This is the political climate we are coming from, we are the most rural orientated society in Europe and that is only changing at a glacial place. Investing in metro, BRT, Dublin airport and DARTu will be uphill all the way, there will be endless ill-informed rants about how Kilbeggan should have an airport and so on.


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  • #12
    Idbatterim
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    I suspect M20 will get the go ahead, but it will be the one project to say that areas outside of Dublin get development, while in fact the majority of investment will be heading to Dublin, as that is where it is really needed.

    Metro North will likely be priority number one.

    let that be the the deal then, cork-limerick get the m20 and dublin metro north. There are schemes nearing completion for hundreds of millions, that are mickey mouse schemes in terms of national importance, that will be completed soon, with MN and M20 etc going back to the drawing board. There isnt enough money to please everyone, schemes of national importance should now be fasttracked as much as possible. The other schemes can wait...

    looking forward to hearing what the IMF have to say, no doubt they will say MN is badly needed...
    As others have said about, it is likely to be the necessary cover to get a big investment in Dublin going, without too much complaining from rural Ireland.
    give them the m20, the insane billions that have been spent on rural motorways to link small towns to the motorway network is ridiculous. I couldnt care less about what some ignorant muppets down the country think about dublin getting everything, Dublin has been neglected far too long! What has the boom given us ? the port tunnel and two disconnected light rail lines, one using an old track bed for the most part. No other comparable capital in europe with a similar population has anything like the disgrace of the transport "system" we have in dublin


  • #13
    lisasimpson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭lisasimpson


    Base the metro north on something like the over/underground built in recent years in Porto. Was over there recently. Went from city center to the airport. Hassle free was the business


  • #14
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    lisasimpson wrote: »
    Base the metro north on something like the over/underground built in recent years in Porto. Was over there recently. Went from city center to the airport. Hassle free was the business

    make it driver-less too!
    This is the political climate we are coming from, we are the most rural orientated society in Europe and that is only changing at a glacial place. Investing in metro, BRT, Dublin airport and DARTu will be uphill all the way, there will be endless ill-informed rants about how Kilbeggan should have an airport and so on.
    Id really wonder if part of the problem with getting MN and DU built, is because it will allow and cause large growth in the region, allow far more homes to be built etc. thus giving dublin and the greater dublin area far more influence.


  • #15
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    make it driver-less too!
    Id really wonder if part of the problem with getting MN and DU built, is because it will allow and cause large growth in the region, allow far more homes to be built etc. thus giving dublin and the greater dublin area far more influence.

    Dublin's influence is already massive and that's never going to change.


  • #16
    McAlban
    Registered Users Posts: 405 ✭✭McAlban


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Ireland being benchmarked against similarly developed countries?

    Denmark, please benchmark it against Denmark.

    Yes, Although Denmark is very Copenhagen Centred. I've been there a lot and the PT, and Cycling infrasturcture is excellent.
    Idbatterim wrote: »
    make it driver-less too!
    Id really wonder if part of the problem with getting MN and DU built, is because it will allow and cause large growth in the region, allow far more homes to be built etc. thus giving dublin and the greater dublin area far more influence.

    +1 on the Driver-less, Works Perfectly in Copenhagen.

    A lot of the development around MN is already planned, The Metro Economic Corridor in Swords for example. But FCC are not developing land too quickly, the 2017-2023 Development plan has a lot of sensible zoning.


  • #17
    lisasimpson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭lisasimpson


    True dublins influence will never change as is the case for most capital cities more of a case of helping to takethe pressure of dublin

    Would be happy to see metro north and M20 be the main projects. The rest of the capital spending into health and housing. If half of the plans for cork city esp the docklands came to pass it would do wonders for the city and south.

    The M20 will be massive to munster. Have friends working for a large multi national in limerick and the distances some people are commuting to work are crazy. Plus its an extremely dangerous road that links the two cities at present. Hopefully it wouldnt encounter all the objections and delays the Cork to Ringaskiddy propossed road is taking


  • #18
    BonnieSituation
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Ireland being benchmarked against similarly developed countries?

    Denmark, please benchmark it against Denmark.

    YUP!

    THIS!


  • #19
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Dublin's influence is already massive and that's never going to change.
    Oh I agree. But massive projects like MN and DU will boost this again big time and I think that politically is one of the reasons these vital projects are stalled as much as they have been...

    Dublin airport parking, taxi drivers, rural politicians, there are a lot of vested interests that want to see it stalled as long as possible...


  • #20
    McAlban
    Registered Users Posts: 405 ✭✭McAlban


    lisasimpson wrote: »
    The M20 will be massive to munster. Have friends working for a large multi national in limerick and the distances some people are commuting to work are crazy. Plus its an extremely dangerous road that links the two cities at present. Hopefully it wouldnt encounter all the objections and delays the Cork to Ringaskiddy propossed road is taking

    Also a huge amount of Air Freight going into Shannon which is being trucked from Shannon to Apple, Dell-EMC, Pfizer, Pepsi etc. etc. etc.


  • #21
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Dublin today only makes up 44% of urban Ireland. It is changing. Dublin will always have a massive influence but things are changing in Ireland.
    it would be a lot more than 44% if reasonable densities are implemented and the likes of MN and DU go ahead... There is a big break being put on growth here. I think ronan lyons the other day claimed there were 125,000 apartments that would be occupied now if they existed...


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  • #22
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    lisasimpson wrote: »
    The rest of the capital spending into health and housing.

    How much capital spending does health actually need? National Maternity Hospital and ?


  • #23
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Deedsie wrote: »
    Children's hospital.

    But that's being built. Do we need another one?


  • #24
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,446 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Government announces €1.5 billion extra for capital spending from 2019 to 2021:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0712/889566-governments-summer-economic-statement-published-today/
    It is viewed as significant that big projects such as Metro North, the Cork to Limerick motorway and a motorway for the northwest region were mentioned frequently during the Taoiseach's recent leadership campaign.

    I love this bit, MN and the M20 keep getting mentioned in articles and the press constantly over the last few months. There is a real pressure on now to get both of these done IMO.


  • #25
    lisasimpson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭lisasimpson


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    How much capital spending does health actually need? National Maternity Hospital and ?

    Cork Uni hospital stretched too. Only one A&E after hours now think the mercy only takes emergencies up to a certain time each day now


  • #26
    thomasj
    Registered Users Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭thomasj


    BonnieSituation wrote:
    But that's being built. Do we need another one?

    It's in the wrong location .

    Why is everything about city centre , should be near the M50


  • #27
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    thomasj wrote: »
    It's in the wrong location .

    Why is everything about city centre , should be near the M50

    Not much in the way of PT out on the auld M50


  • #28
    thomasj
    Registered Users Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭thomasj


    LeinsterDub wrote:
    Not much in the way of PT out on the auld M50

    That's the other problem that needs to be sorted.


  • #29
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    I wonder about the logistics of making one of the lanes on the m50 a bus lane during peak hours?


  • #30
    BonnieSituation
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    thomasj wrote: »
    It's in the wrong location .

    Why is everything about city centre , should be near the M50

    It 100% should have been built at Connolly Memorial. But better James' than the Mater.


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  • #31
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    thomasj wrote: »
    That's the other problem that needs to be sorted.

    I'd rather they just build it now at James than wait 30+ years for it .


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