Jobstown 6 Not Guilty

Wombatman wrote: »

I'd prefer state resources be directed to investigate Doherty's shady company dealings rather than a few mild tweets.

Oh yes let's pick crimes that are worth investigating. Murder over rape, robbery over intimidating neighbors. You can pass all the information you have on Doherty's shady dealings to Garda.

Bambi wrote: »

the real shady thing about the bould Regina's episode is that the Gardai actually acted on a complaint of harassment. You wouldn't see two coppers showing up in a departure lounge because joe citizen complained that someone was at him on twitter.

We don't know the complaint was about 'harrassment' per se in fairness.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I thought early morning raids only happened to Trotskyists?

Early Morning Raids on Motor Insurers and Brokers

Who said that?

Bambi wrote: »

"A number of insurance companies and brokers in Ireland have been raided by EU competition authorities."

Little details, pay attention

Apparently the EU take a different view of the "best little country to do business *wink* *wink* " approach

Thankfully. Too many cartels.

seamus wrote: »

Satisfied that there is nothing to see, no. You can't prove a negative.

Satisfied that there is no evidence yet presented of collusion between Doherty and the Gardai in this case? Yes.

All I see is a prolific regurgitator and conspiracy theorist making claims about collusion with zero evidence.

We know Doherty made a complaint. We know the investigation is ongoing.
We also know that Kelly has not accused anybody of collusion with Gardai but has told a story about what happened to her in the context of what happened in Jobstown.

But again we see the rush to diminish what happened and claims of it is ordinary behaviour. Even though it has been shown that the issuance of a 'caution' at an airport during an 'outstanding' investigation is far from normal and needs further scrutiny.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's an accepted fact amongst Murphy's defenders. Trawl through all of the posts and you'll see.

I see. So you cannot prove that many people have said 'morning raids only happen to Trotskyists'.

Well done on the emotive stuff...again.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I see. So you cannot prove that many people have said 'morning raids only happen to Trotskyists'.

Well done on the emotive stuff...again.

You keep using that word but, again, I'm afraid your use of it means that you don't understand its meaning.

To be honest, of all the posters I engage with on Boards, you make the most snide comments. Not just to me, but to everyone who disagrees with you. Just an observation.

To the topic, much of the debate here has been outrage about the timing of Murphy's arrest as if it only happened because of who he is. I don't agree.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

You keep using that word but, again, I'm afraid your use of it means that you don't understand its meaning.

To be honest, of all the posters I engage with on Boards, you make the most snide comments. Not just to me, but to everyone who disagrees with you. Just an observation.

To the topic, much of the debate here has been outrage about the timing of Murphy's arrest as if it only happened because of who he is. I don't agree.

There is nothing 'snide' (derogatory or mocking in an indirect way.) about what I said. I openly called you on your mistruth/lie.

Telling lies, mistruths to make a point is to be emotive (arousing or able to arouse intense feeling) You are appealing to the emotional side of people, as shown by your total inability to back up what you said. i.e. It was a mistruth/lie.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We also know that Kelly has not accused anybody of collusion with Gardai

Oh really?

political power is being wielded through the instruments of the state to suppress dissent and protest and to cause widespread fear among the citizenry lest they raise their heads above the parapet.

In view of these matters raised by the Jobstown show trial, I had my own experience very recently with law enforcement and the political establishment.

That's a clear claim that her own experience is because of "political power being wielded through the instruments of the state."

But again we see the rush to diminish what happened and claims of it is ordinary behaviour. Even though it has been shown that the issuance of a 'caution' at an airport during an 'outstanding' investigation is far from normal and needs further scrutiny.

We have no evidence that a caution was issued; not in the legal sense.

In fact, if it had, Kelly would be in possession of a document she could use to prove it.

Like I say, her account is too vague to be of use. Demanding "further scrutiny" first requires that Kelly be a little bit more specific than, "Two Gardai who I can't identify stopped me, warned me to stop communicating with someone and then told me to sign something I didn't read".

The onus would appear to be on Ms. Kelly now to go and speak to the Gardai. Maybe find out who spoke to her? What she was being cautioned for? What she signed? Without that information, there is practically nothing to be scrutinised.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Grand job. Carry on.

And now you try to opt out with a trite remark.

Maybe if you treated the debate with a bit of respect and backed up what you are saying?