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Jobstown 6 Not Guilty

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  • #512
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Whats with the victim blaming?.

    God that awful meaningless pc phrase - victim blaming???

    Where did I blame the 'victim'?

    I believe the victim blew what happened out of proportion and have accepted and not condoned the thuggish behaviour by some that day.
    I also accept that all kinds of groups from the elderly to farmers to middle class workers have used 'blockade and disruption' as a form of protest.


  • #513
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Yeh, terrified for their lives they opened the window for some fresh air........

    And someone reached in the window


    That's why they should have been in a 4x4 - higher up and they've enough torque to plough through sh!te


  • #514
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Why post that comment?
    Was that her key concern that day?

    It was a cynical attempt (she has form here - 'expensive phones' comment) to portray the crowd in a certain way. In a derogatory way.

    Yeah but you said this:

    "Joan sought immediately to capitalise politically on what was happening by blowing it out of proportion."

    When I asked you how, you said this:

    "'Sought' to capitalise on it while the event was ongoing by instructing her aide to get on social media."

    Then I asked you what she posted during the event and you quoted this:

    "What you should do now is go on social media and say it is just shameful, all the little kids there no one minding them they were just free to roam the streets".

    She could have been concerned about children being in the vicinity of a crowd of thugs. It could have anything. It certainly wasn't Burton trying "to capitalise politically by blowing it out of proportion.".


  • #515
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    God that awful meaningless pc phrase - victim blaming???

    Where did I blame the 'victim'?

    I believe the victim blew what happened out of proportion and have accepted and not condoned the thuggish behaviour by some that day.
    I also accept that all kinds of groups from the elderly to farmers to middle class workers have used 'blockade and disruption' as a form of protest.

    You are attacking her account. Diminishing any responsibility and actions of AAA actvits. Even laughing about what a funny situation it was to you.

    Standards people.


  • #516
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Yeah but you said this:

    "Joan sought immediately to capitalise politically on what was happening by blowing it out of proportion."

    When I asked you how, you said this:

    "'Sought' to capitalise on it while the event was ongoing by instructing her aide to get on social media."

    Then I asked you what she posted during the event and you quoted this:

    "What you should do now is go on social media and say it is just shameful, all the little kids there no one minding them they were just free to roam the streets".

    She could have been concerned about children being in the vicinity of a crowd of thugs. It could have anything. It certainly wasn't Burton trying "to capitalise politically by blowing it out of proportion.".

    Yes, you are terrified for your life, you joke and laugh in the car, refuse the opportunity to reverse out of a blockade and are calm enough to instruct your aide to go on social media to express your concern for the young abandoned children of Jobstown.
    Sorry, I am not buying that for a minute from a TD with form for trying to depict objectors to her policies in a derogatory way. Or her co partners in government at the time who also have form in this the technique -'us early risers' etc

    I said she blew the event out of proportion not the amount of children BTW.


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  • #517
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    You are attacking her account. Diminishing any responsibility and actions of AAA actvits. Even laughing about what a funny situation it was to you.

    Standards people.

    She and her advisor were laughing in the car during the event. Seemingly, that is what you do in terrifying situations, according to the testimony of her aide.


  • #518
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    She and her advisor were laughing in the car during the event. Seemingly, that is what you do in terrifying situations, according to the testimony of her aide.

    Your diminishing what happened again.


  • #519
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Your diminishing what happened again.

    No, I think I have it in perspective, some thuggish behaviour at a perfectly normal protest. (Normal in the sense that many many similar protests have been held by everybody from students to the elderly)


  • #520
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No, I think I have it in perspective, some thuggish behaviour at a perfectly normal protest. (Normal in the sense that many many similar protests have been held by everybody from students to the elderly)

    It wasn't a normal protest francie. What was the protest even about? It wasn't anything to do with right2water crowd, they got rid of Murphy a while back.


  • #521
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,734 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    That photo of them sitting behind the car blocking it from reversing is pretty damning. Did the jury see that?


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  • #522
    Donal55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Donal55


    tayto lover wrote: »
    That photo of them sitting behind the car blocking it from reversing is pretty damning. Did the jury see that?


    Looks fairly peaceful to me. I was on a IW march in Dublin and some crowd sat on O Connell bridge and blocked a double decker.
    Should they have been done for false imprisonment?


  • #523
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Donal55 wrote: »
    Looks fairly peaceful to me. I was on a IW march in Dublin and some crowd sat on O Connell bridge and blocked a double decker.
    Should they have been done for false imprisonment?

    That was a group called eirigi, I believe the next month they held up another bridge hours after the protest was over which caused mayhem for commuters.


  • #524
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    It wasn't a normal protest francie. What was the protest even about? It wasn't anything to do with right2water crowd, they got rid of Murphy a while back.

    People on protests don't block traffic? Have you been/seen many protests at all?


  • #525
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    People on protests don't block traffic? Have you been/seen many protests at all?

    The car wasn't in traffic Francie. It was surrounded by people.


  • #526
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    The car wasn't in traffic Francie. It was surrounded by people.

    They were blocking a car. A car is traffic.

    Keep up the pedantry but it won't change the fact that it is a method of protest used by many differing groups on many many occasions.

    Thugs have latched on to many protests too.


  • #527
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    They were blocking a car. A car is traffic.

    Keep up the pedantry but it won't change the fact that it is a method of protest used by many differing groups on many many occasions.

    Thugs have latched on to many protests too.

    Glad for clearing that up. I mean this was a group of murphys friends.


  • #528
    Donal55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Donal55


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    That was a group called eirigi, I believe the next month they held up another bridge hours after the protest was over which caused mayhem for commuters.


    .....and were they charged with false imprisonment?


  • #529
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Donal55 wrote: »
    .....and were they charged with false imprisonment?

    They certainly should have been charged with public disorder.


  • #530
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    They certainly should have been charged with public disorder.

    Should the elderly who blocked traffic on College Green during their protest have been hauled into court on public order offences?

    Do you believe in the right to protest BTW?


  • #531
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Should the elderly who blocked traffic on College Green during their protest have been hauled into court on public order offences?

    Do you believe in the right to protest BTW?

    I have no idea what your talking about involving the elderly. I was talking about a bunch of head bangers called eirigi.

    Your question is a bit silly.


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  • #532
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    I have no idea what your talking about involving the elderly. I was talking about a bunch of head bangers called eirigi.

    Your question is a bit silly.

    No different to you bringing in another protest where traffic was blocked.
    2013 pensioners marched on the Dail to protest, and a group blocked traffic on college green. Should they have been charged with public order offences?


  • #533
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No different to you bringing in another protest where traffic was blocked.
    2013 pensioners marched on the Dail to protest, and a group blocked traffic on college green. Should they have been charged with public order offences?

    I didn't bring that up.

    I wasn't comparing either protest with each other. I just highlighted the name of one group.


  • #534
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    I didn't bring that up.

    I wasn't comparing either protest with each other. I just highlighted the name of one group.

    You said they should have been charged with public order offences. Should the pensioners in 2013 have been charged?


  • #535
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    FrancieBrady wrote: »


    You said they should have been charged with public order offences. Should the pensioners in 2013 have been charged?

    I don't care about the 2013 .

    Threads about Paul Murphy and his group of activists.


  • #536
    Ursus Horribilis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭Ursus Horribilis


    Regardless of what you think of Joan Burton or the Labour Party, it is a disgrace that the Tánaiste of our country was put into this position in the first place. I have no problem with people being allowed to protest but the thuggery displayed that day was contemptible. It's all too easy for people to say they should've reversed the car, that there was an escape route and that the bitch deserved it. When all hell is breaking loose, dealing with these things is easier said than done. There was such anger whipped up during that protest, how was anyone to know what was going to happen? Would she have been beaten to a pulp if they'd managed to get their hands on her?


  • #537
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    I don't care about the 2013 .

    Threads about Paul Murphy and his group of activists.
    :D:D


  • #538
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    FrancieBrady wrote: »


    You said they should have been charged with public order offences. Should the pensioners in 2013 have been charged?

    Were the pensioners firing missiles at one particular person, shaking that person's car, pounding on their car, screaming abuse at the person? Did they have a TD with them who was asking them by megaphone if they should keep that person surrounded?

    If that happened, then they most certainly should be prosecuted.


  • #539
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    :D:D

    The Murphy protest took place in 2014 there francie. Close.


  • #540
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Were the pensioners firing missiles at one particular person, shaking that person's car, pounding on their car, screaming abuse at the person? Did they have a TD with them who was asking them by megaphone if they should keep that person surrounded?

    If that happened, then they most certainly should be prosecuted.

    You are emoting again, we were talking about blocking traffic.
    The gardai should have arrested those doing what you outlined above and charged them with those offences. But they didn't.


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  • #541
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You are emoting again, we were talking about blocking traffic.
    The gardai should have arrested those doing what you outlined above and charged them with those offences. But they didn't.

    Emoting? Do you even know what that means?

    Anyway, the Guards did arrest Paul Murphy and charged him with false imprisonment. Glad to see you agree with them.


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