Boundary Extension for City?

Pathetic...all common sense said this should be done....Pathetic from coveney and politics again.

I thought this Fine Gael Government did not go against Independant advice like for example the 2nd Cath Lab. Its a pity Harris wasnt more like Coveney or Coveney more like Harris! Only when it suits them by the looks of it.

Coveney couldnt give a bollox about Waterford or Kilkenny. He just needed to appease the local KK Fine Gaelers and buy votes for his leadership bid. He has the Waterford FGs in his pocket promising us he will drive on development of the city.

He said, he expects Waterford city to expand into the area and that Kilkenny and Waterford councils to come up with new and imaginative ideas on how to do that,
How is that supposed to work, if there is any driving development being done it is mostly going to be from Waterford, but why would Waterford drive development for Kilkenny to take rates,
And why would Kilkenny drive development in the south of its county when they are more concerned with developing the city,
So if someone wants to set up business in south Kilkenny they will have to deal with two councils? Why would you bother.
This will stifle development in the area if anything,

Aquos76 wrote: »

Coveney is going to live on Claire Byrne Live shortly, what are the odds on him using the Waterford studios for his interview, the irony, hours after shafting Waterford, he then crosses over the bridge to use RTE's studios here.

"Shafted" Christ get a bloody grip...poor babies didn't get what they wanted eh? Always the victims...oh and no doubt those RTÉ studios "over the bridge" have been paid for by the exchequer (from which Waterford is a net recipient), they're not for the sole use of Waterford its politicians and propaganda so where is the irony?

Teebor15 wrote: »

I thought this Fine Gael Government did not go against Independant advice like for example the 2nd Cath Lab. Its a pity Harris wasnt more like Coveney or Coveney more like Harris! Only when it suits them by the looks of it.

Coveney couldnt give a bollox about Waterford or Kilkenny. He just needed to appease the local KK Fine Gaelers and buy votes for his leadership bid. He has the Waterford FGs in his pocket promising us he will drive on development of the city.

From a political standpoint it makes sense...Waterford is far left bordering Marxist in its politics (evident here daily). For FG to sacrifice a sure seat in Carlow Kilkenny to appease that element made no sense for them whatsoever.

gw80 wrote: »

He said, he expects Waterford city to expand into the area and that Kilkenny and Waterford councils to come up with new and imaginative ideas on how to do that,
How is that supposed to work, if there is any driving development being done it is mostly going to be from Waterford, but why would Waterford drive development for Kilkenny to take rates,
And why would Kilkenny drive development in the south of its county when they are more concerned with developing the city,
So if someone wants to set up business in south Kilkenny they will have to deal with two councils? Why would you bother.
This will stifle development in the area if anything,

Just look at Waterfords Original Submission to the Boundary Commission on this matter, there's various structures already set up for both councils to work and collaborate together to better the area which they argued weren't working.

The boundary commission examined this and from what I read they sided with Waterford City and County Council, hence it beggars believe that Coveney is returning us to the status quo that doesn't work and has been acknowledged as not working for the betterment of the area.

Mr Coveney came down am met with South KK residents to announce his decision, I wonder did he meet with the respective councils in advance to hear their points of view, rather than the wall of GAA drivel on which his decision was based?

Sosurface wrote: »

Plenty of clowns on here still singing Paudies name like he'd be some great saviour of Waterford though. Important to stamp in the memory exactly what Waterford means to Fine Gael.

Waterford means nothing to Fine Gael, their absolute contempt for the city and county during the bad times resulting in a Fine Fail chocolate teapot roaring back back in during the last elections proved that. If anything you'd think they would be trying to get their second seat back, but we are very much on the periphery of their viewpoint.

I'm sure there will be headlines in the Kilkenny People now along the lines of "peace in our time" or some such! :rolleyes:

However anyone who thinks this issue is going away now is having themselves on. The same problems that led to this being considered are still outstanding. Meanwhile, a growing city continues to spill into south Kilkenny, and the population of the Ferrybank area continues to grow strongly.

The only way Kilkenny County Council will hold on to this area is by love-bombing the residents with spending, e.g. parks, playgrounds, nice roads, etc., and also by cooperating with Waterford Council on planning. This means reorganising its structure to reflect Ferrybank's status as the second-largest urban area in Co Kilkenny, planning the area in an integrated way with the Waterford Metropolitan District, and putting an end to the continued efforts to undermine the city with aggressive planning decisions such as the Ferrybank shopping centre.

If they continue doing what they've always done, which is being a thorn in the side of the city while neglecting the residents, this issue will not go away, and the report which has been rejected on this occasion will be implemented as soon as the political weather is fairer.

To be frank, I don't hold out much hope that things will change from the way they've been all along. Since this is one of these things that is going to happen sooner or later, I fear we'll be back rehashing the same arguments in ten years' time, when a change is already long overdue.

I would think the best approach though would be a plebiscite of residents in the area. Has this even been put forward, or is it seen as being biased towards Waterford?

I think that the extension is dead for a long time to come. Fianna Fail came out against it and now Fine Gael have knocked it on the head. There will be no appetite to resurrect such a contentious issue again for many years. Indeed, it is entirely possible that some in Waterford CCC are quietly relieved. Any extension would have incurred a fine bill for WCCC and I suspect that some in the West of the county will have been a little lukewarm at the prospect of a boundary extension.

I don't think that there needs to be too much gloom on the Waterford side. As I've said before, I can see how, potentially, the overall area(i.e. Waterford and Ferrybank) could be better planned with one authority. However, that is potential only. Development in Ireland tends to end up being developer led as opposed to Council led. I suspect that there will not be a huge degree of difference to the area whether it is run from Kilkenny or Waterford.

Now, I can almost hear some of you shouting about Ferrybank shopping centre. Some think that this was a deliberate ploy by KKCC to torpedo Waterford and took it as proof that KKCC could not be trusted to administer the area. While I disagree with that, I do accept that it was a misguided development. However, it is worth considering the small print of Simon Coveney's words. He is proposing having some independent method to force cooperation between the two Councils, possibly on a statutory basis(as set out very clearly by Irishlad2004 above). Something like that could mean that WCC could veto proposals that it considers detrimental to Waterford, for example. My reading is that the boundaries will not change, but it may not be quite business as usual either.

Coveney seems to be serious about more development on the Ferrybank side. The important thing is to ensure that resources are put in place to support this, such as a second bridge between Ferrybank and Waterford. More resources plus a structure to facilitate cooperation could really drive development in the future in and around Ferrybank. And that's what you all want, isn't it? Or is it that some of you only want development in Ferrybank if it's part of Waterford?

Squidvicious wrote: »

I think that the extension is dead for a long time to come. Fianna Fail came out against it and now Fine Gael have knocked it on the head. There will be no appetite to resurrect such a contentious issue again for many years. Indeed, it is entirely possible that some in Waterford CCC are quietly relieved. Any extension would have incurred a fine bill for WCCC and I suspect that some in the West of the county will have been a little lukewarm at the prospect of a boundary extension.

I don't think that there needs to be too much gloom on the Waterford side. As I've said before, I can see how, potentially, the overall area(i.e. Waterford and Ferrybank) could be better planned with one authority. However, that is potential only. Development in Ireland tends to end up being developer led as opposed to Council led. I suspect that there will not be a huge degree of difference to the area whether it is run from Kilkenny or Waterford.

Now, I can almost hear some of you shouting about Ferrybank shopping centre. Some think that this was a deliberate ploy by KKCC to torpedo Waterford and took it as proof that KKCC could not be trusted to administer the area. While I disagree with that, I do accept that it was a misguided development. However, it is worth considering the small print of Simon Coveney's words. He is proposing having some independent method to force cooperation between the two Councils, possibly on a statutory basis(as set out very clearly by Irishlad2004 above). Something like that could mean that WCC could veto proposals that it considers detrimental to Waterford, for example. My reading is that the boundaries will not change, but it may not be quite business as usual either.

Coveney seems to be serious about more development on the Ferrybank side. The important thing is to ensure that resources are put in place to support this, such as a second bridge between Ferrybank and Waterford. More resources plus a structure to facilitate cooperation could really drive development in the future in and around Ferrybank. And that's what you all want, isn't it? Or is it that some of you only want development in Ferrybank if it's part of Waterford?

Course it's dead. It couldn't be clearer really. The boundary ain't changing- the policy going forward is to work with existing ones. Only a very slow learner will try revisit the issue again and waste vast sums of cash payers money on attempted political strokes. Now we all know Paudie is not the sharpest tool in the box but no doubt even he and his fanatics will eventually have to accept reality.

Sosurface wrote: »

From the intense love that dare not speak its name you show for him on every possible occassion, I'm not entirely convinced you're not Paudie. Max Powers is exactly the type of moniker that muttonhead would give himself.
I'll say one thing for him- he must know some **** about some people- from ESB to TD to Senator. A very well paid life all on the taxpayers back and after coming from a relative nobody......

I can confirm, I'm not p Coffey...I think its important to give people even TD's when they get jobs or investment into Waterford/SE and/or make conditions for more investment/jobs more likely.
I can see where you are coming from though because I find it hard to credit sometimes that the idiocy, short sightedness , negativity, small minded, blaming everyone but offering no credible alternatives or positives and even racist/stereotypical comments from sosurface are actually coming from multiple people...

Back on topic...I think some form of Waterford city council veto (someone else mentioned )or proper control to ensure likes of the empty shopping centre doesn't happen again, best outcome from this current terrible decision.