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90 day suspension of visas for certain countries

  • 29-01-2017 10:39am
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    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭woppi


    The impact of the suspension put into action on Friday is wide ranging. Those who can no longer transit through the US hub airports now have to make other arrangements which can be incredibly costly. Does anyone know if citizens from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, or Yemen have prevented from boarding US bound flights in Ireland?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Yes from what I've heard it's already in effect at Shannon airport.

    THE US EMBASSY in Dublin has confirmed that Donald Trump’s executive order of a 90-day ban on people from seven Muslim countries entering the US is in operation at Dublin and Shannon Airport.

    The US President has barred all refugees from entering the country for three months — and those from war-ravaged Syria indefinitely.

    Entry to the US is being denied to people from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.

    In a statement the Dublin Embassy confirmed, “The Executive Order suspends visa issuance and entry into the United States of nationals of countries of particular concern (Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen), including dual nationals of these countries.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭Panrich


    woppi wrote: »
    The impact of the suspension put into action on Friday is wide ranging. Those who can no longer transit through the US hub airports now have to make other arrangements which can be incredibly costly. Does anyone know if citizens from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, or Yemen have prevented from boarding US bound flights in Ireland?

    According to the US embassy, the new rules are being enforced at Irish airports.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 314 ✭✭Kitsunegari


    It's absolutely sickening that more people are out protesting against a US VISA ban to Yemenis rather than protest when the US was bombing Yemen.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,810 ✭✭✭budgemook


    It's absolutely sickening that more people are out protesting against a US VISA ban to Yemenis rather than protest when the US was bombing Yemen.

    The latter wasn't so widely reported although perhaps that is what you find sickening.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    The ordinary people in the US and in Europe are becoming increasingly fed up with the idea that countries such as Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen can be bombed back to the stone age with our consent and with western produced weapons.
    And then the solution proposed afterwards by our leaders is for the entire populations of these countries to move in with us as refugees.

    Knowing that they and their descendants will feel some sort of divine right to perpetrate bombings and shootings for generations. And we are supposed to tolerate this due to some form of collective guilt?

    No, its time they fcuked off and solved their own problems.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    recedite wrote: »
    The ordinary people in the US and in Europe are becoming increasingly fed up with the idea that countries such as Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen can be bombed back to the stone age with our consent and with western produced weapons.
    And then the solution proposed afterwards by our leaders is for the entire populations of these countries to move in with us as refugees.

    Knowing that they and their descendants will feel some sort of divine right to perpetrate bombings and shootings for generations. And we are supposed to tolerate this due to some form of collective guilt?

    No, its time they fcuked off and solved their own problems.

    The massive protest outside of JFK airport including striking taxi drivers indicates that there's plenty of opposition to this policy. The world seems pretty horrified at the moment tbh. The pope, leaders from across the globe have objected.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭PMBC


    recedite wrote: »
    The ordinary people in the US and in Europe are becoming increasingly fed up with the idea that countries such as Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen can be bombed back to the stone age with our consent and with western produced weapons.
    And then the solution proposed afterwards by our leaders is for the entire populations of these countries to move in with us as refugees.

    Knowing that they and their descendants will feel some sort of divine right to perpetrate bombings and shootings for generations. And we are supposed to tolerate this due to some form of collective guilt?

    No, its time they fcuked off and solved their own problems.

    Perhaps our governments should stop bombing them?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,930 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    The massive protest outside of JFK airport including striking taxi drivers indicates that there's plenty of opposition to this policy. The world seems pretty horrified at the moment tbh. The pope, leaders from across the globe have objected.

    Trump's actions are extreme and I'd expect them to be toned down in the short to medium term, but his election in the US, Brexit in the UK and the rise of the right in Europe tells us that people are not happy with open door policies, especially when such policy has been associated with mass sexual assaults in Germany and the murder of civilians in Paris.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,415 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    recedite wrote: »
    The ordinary people in the US and in Europe are becoming increasingly fed up with the idea that countries such as Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen can be bombed back to the stone age with our consent and with western produced weapons.
    And then the solution proposed afterwards by our leaders is for the entire populations of these countries to move in with us as refugees.

    Knowing that they and their descendants will feel some sort of divine right to perpetrate bombings and shootings for generations. And we are supposed to tolerate this due to some form of collective guilt?

    No, its time they fcuked off and solved their own problems.
    The inherent contradiction here, is inherent. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    Iraq, now that is a surprise. I thought Iraq was liberated by Bush and Blair. The current measure will be one of many. It won't be the first time the US has not thought things through.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    The inherent contradiction here, is inherent. :rolleyes:
    Read it again. There is no contradiction.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,415 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    recedite wrote: »
    Read it again. There is no contradiction.
    Really?

    We bomb them back to the stone age for (in many cases) no good reason at all and then having created their problems, tell them to fúck off and sort them out themselves?

    Yeah, not a bit contradictory. I can see that now. :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dissed doc


    It's absolutely sickening that more people are out protesting against a US VISA ban to Yemenis rather than protest when the US was bombing Yemen.

    Well Obama was in charge when they were bombing Yemen, so no protest was allowed or encouraged from the Soros-sponsored NGOs that organise these things. .

    Trump is simply stopping the consequences of Obama's actions: which would be, that Yemeni-Islamic terrorist risk is now much higher (much like Europe's risk is, although Merkel implemented the opposite policy: bomb the crap of stuff, and then welcome in anyone pissed off at you).


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Trump's actions are extreme and I'd expect them to be toned down in the short to medium term, but his election in the US, Brexit in the UK and the rise of the right in Europe tells us that people are not happy with open door policies, especially when such policy has been associated with mass sexual assaults in Germany and the murder of civilians in Paris.

    The people murdered in Paris were not killed by immigrants. There is no 'open door policy' in place in the EU or the US. Freedom of movement is restricted to internal Schengen or EU states alone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    We bomb them back to the stone age for (in many cases) no good reason at all and then having created their problems, tell them to fúck off and sort them out themselves?
    As I said, I'm not in favour of bombing them. And as another poster said, we should be protesting at what is happening in Yemen. The idea that Yemenis should move to the US to avoid being bombed is not a runner IMO.

    And BTW the wars between sunni and shia have been going on for nearly 2000 years. If the Saudis were not using western weapons against their neighbours in Yemen, they would be using swords, daggers and homemade guns.

    Afghans defeated the British army in the 19th century mainly because their homemade guns had a longer range than the standard British army issue. And fair play to them too.
    Don't be under any illusions that these guys are the defenceless and hapless victims of western intervention.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,318 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Mr.Micro wrote:
    It won't be the first time the US has not thought things through.

    It hasn't been thought through at all. I went to school with a girl who was born in Iran. Her cousin has been living (legally) in the US for the past 7 years. She was out of the country when the order was signed and is now stuck in Dubai having been denied boarding on her flight home and is wondering what the **** is going to happen now. To her dog. Her job. Her house. Her car that's parked at JFK airport.

    This is the reality of this ludicrous order. It's affecting real people with real lives, not just the swathes of wannabe terrorists that Trump imagines are trying to gain entry to the US. He's in "reds under every bed" territory here and I for one find it terrifying.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,472 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Doubt anything will change, only reason Obama could do anything is due to his executive powers. A removal of these powers would be in the Republicans benefit. Republicans have had a majority in congress for all but 2 terms in the last 20+ years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    budgemook wrote: »
    The latter wasn't so widely reported although perhaps that is what you find sickening.

    Of course but Obama was in power. RTE and the BBC will notice Yemen bombings now.

    As for trump applying this rule to green card holders and dual citizens is the height of folly. If he didn't there would have been no scenes at the airports.

    Otherwise the US already had countries where you needed visas to get in, and countries where visas were denied.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Dial Hard wrote: »
    It hasn't been thought through at all. I went to school with a girl who was born in Iran. Her cousin has been living (legally) in the US for the past 7 years. She was out of the country when the order was signed and is now stuck in Dubai having been denied boarding on her flight home and is wondering what the **** is going to happen now. To her dog. Her job. Her house. Her car that's parked at JFK airport.

    This is the reality of this ludicrous order. It's affecting real people with real lives, not just the swathes of wannabe terrorists that Trump imagines are trying to gain entry to the US. He's in "reds under every bed" territory here and I for one find it terrifying.

    It's appalling alright. Major political blunder.

    Immigration officers could always resist entry even to people who had valid visas though. It was always a worry when coming back to the US on my H1B visa. But rarely used.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    There are three separate powers in a republic; the executive, the legislature and the judiciary.
    In the USA, the President is the executive, therefore his administration is "the government" ... and so he governs. That is completely legit.

    The judiciary can only intervene in this "government" if an executive order breaks an existing law. If that is the case, then the executive order would have to be be retracted and modified accordingly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    As for trump applying this rule to green card holders and dual citizens is the height of folly. If he didn't there would have been no scenes at the airports.
    Can you cite any actual instances of this? There is a lot of fake news about.
    The nearest I can find with a quick google is...
    Pegah Rahmani, 25, waited at Washington's Dulles airport for several hours for her grandparents, both Iranian citizens with U.S. green cards. "They weren't treating them very well," she said.
    Rahmani's grandfather is 88 and legally blind. Her grandmother is 83 and recently had a stroke. They were released to loud cheers and cries.
    I'd imagine this couple got through once it was established they had valid green cards.

    As for dual citizens, why wouldn't they just show their "good" passport?
    Some will have been caught off guard, proudly travelling on their original "listed" passport, having left their adoptive country's one behind. But that's just a teething problem.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    recedite wrote: »
    As for dual citizens, why wouldn't they just show their "good" passport?
    Some will have been caught off guard, proudly travelling on their original "listed" passport, having left their adoptive country's one behind. But that's just a teething problem.

    Simply because it doesn't work like that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Simply because it doesn't work like that.
    Not a great standard for a post. No explanation of how it does work, or actual examples, or citations?


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    recedite wrote: »
    Not a great standard for a post. No explanation of how it does work, or actual examples, or citations?

    Your standard of posting doesn't warrant me bothering to explain this to you, go do your own research, but you will however find I am correct on this matter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Perhaps you are alluding to some distinction between nationality and citizenship. But if somebody is privileged enough to be offered the citizenship of an adoptive country, they are automatically invited to adopt that new nationality. If they don't, it is their own choice not to.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dissed doc


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Simply because it doesn't work like that.

    If you are a US citizen/passport holder and enter the US on another passport, it is breaking the (long existing) law. That is why they are blocking dual citizens who do not travel as US citizens despite that being a condition of the passport.
    Any dual citizen who is stopped while abroad has exactly zero excuses; this is enforcing already existing laws.

    Green cards: a condition of a green card while having a foreign citizenship includes even not informing the authorities of a new address within 10 days of moving while continuously residing int he US, or not being able to demonstrate your primary residence is the US. They were pretty relaxed under Obama and CLinton, but now with terrorism, using Green Cards to simply turn up once per year and go back to your home country is not an option. Again, these laws and conditions existed for years; due to abuse by nationals of countries with high rates of terrorism, they are enforcing the laws on the books.

    Why Yemen now? Well Obama has been bombing the crap out of it for a while, with no protests against it because well, he was Obama and a demagogue.

    This is what the Dept. Foreign Affairs and Trade says about Yemen:
    "Security status
    We advise Irish citizens against all travel to Yemen and urge all Irish nationals currently in Yemen to leave immediately."


    "
    Violent unrest
    The political situation in Yemen is extremely unstable and continues to deteriorate.  Violent clashes are being witnessed.  If you are in Yemen, we advise you to leave immediately.  Always keep yourself informed of what’s going on around you by monitoring local media and staying in contact with your hotel or tour organiser.  
    Terrorism
    The threat from terrorism in Yemen is high, and there is an extreme risk of indiscriminate terrorist attacks. 

    Kidnapping
    Foreign nationals are potential targets for kidnapping so you should take particular care when travelling in Yemen:
    Get advice from your local contacts about staying safe
    Avoid travelling at night, particularly inter-city
    Avoid travelling alone
    When driving, ensure all car doors are locked
    Vary your routes and departure times – avoid patterns which could be tracked
    Pay careful attention to local media for reports of kidnapping activities"


    So yes, basically, let someone with a passport in because they had a green card that was renewed once a year?

    Pull the other one! Anyone coming from a country where our own DFA has such an advisory, should also be heavily screened, every time on return, as to their activities (Garda Stamps for residency or not).

    It has zero to do with being a "ban on Muslims". UK heavyu screening of Irish passport holders in the 1980s and 1970s was not a "ban on Irish". That is the straight dope.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Green card holders situation:
    The Department of Homeland Security said that the order also barred green card holders from those countries from re-entering the United States. In a briefing for reporters, White House officials said that green card holders from the seven affected countries who are outside the United States would need a case-by-case waiver to return.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,114 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It's absolutely sickening that more people are out protesting against a US VISA ban to Yemenis rather than protest when the US was bombing Yemen.

    This is a fair comment. However the narrative/mission in Yemen is counter-terrorism. Compare that to say, how people protested Vietnam, and how our forces also were conducting themselves in Vietnam, in which it was a lot of widespread violence and crime - the two are quite different.

    Speaking of Yemen though, it hit everyone's radar when there was a horrific misunderstanding in military execution:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/16/world/middleeast/yemen-doctors-without-borders-hospital-bombing.html?_r=0

    But even this had some 'air' of accountability, and while I guarantee you no one in brass got much more than a slap, the matter was handled seriously by the administration in so far that this was not normal, it was not condoned, and its hard to protest against that..


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,015 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    If this was at all about counter terrorism then surely Saudi nationals would be top of the banned list seeing as they have killed far more US citizens in terrorist attacks than those of any other country, US domestic terrorism excepted.


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