Technically Hillary Clinton could still be elected President.

FreudianSlippers · 19-12-2016 10:39AM

osmiumartist wrote: »

and lying to the American people is the CIA's entire purpose? You sure about that?

Where did I say that again?

FreudianSlippers · 19-12-2016 10:51AM

osmiumartist wrote: »

Deflection? Laughable. Who cares "what they are saying" if it's lies, with no evidence whatsoever to back it! We should focus on "what creationists are saying" now too should we? What about "focus on what the flat earthers are saying"?
No, sorry, I'm not having such a woeful attempt at evasion. We're not allowed to consider whether they're lying because that's "changing the subject away from what it is they're saying."
That's pretty close to the worst one I've ever heard tried online TBH.

I think you have this "debating" thing very confused.

If the CIA, White House and FBI are all making the same allegation, based on facts, the onus is on you to prove they are lying; not on us for believing them.

You seem to be either a victim of argumentum ad nauseam or are attempting to fallaciously post in this thread with the agenda to reach argumentum ad nauseam.

ligerdub · 19-12-2016 11:31AM

Surely the onus is on backing up the facts?

FreudianSlippers · 19-12-2016 12:20PM

ligerdub wrote: »

Surely the onus is on backing up the facts?

I don't believe the CIA or the FBI are answerable to a few posters (presumably Irish citizens and residing in Ireland) who believe there is a conspiracy with regard to alleged lies in relation to their statements.

If you have factual evidence that these organisations are not telling the truth, then you are welcome to present same; until such a time, I reserve your opinions as both unfounded and conspiracy theory.

ligerdub · 19-12-2016 12:24PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I don't believe the CIA or the FBI are answerable to a few posters (presumably Irish citizens and residing in Ireland) who believe there is a conspiracy with regard to alleged lies in relation to their statements.

If you have factual evidence that these organisations are not telling the truth, then you are welcome to present same; until such a time, I reserve your opinions as both unfounded and conspiracy theory.

That's a totally unreasonable assertion in my opinion.

The subtle message here is that the CIA and the FBI aren't prone to lying or deception, when they have historically been probably one of the most guilty organisations of that in the world over the years.

Amerika · 19-12-2016 01:38PM

It keeps getting better every day. The reasons for Clinton’s loss has an interesting timeline. First it was Comey, then the Russians, then Loretta Lynch, then Fake news, then white women’s “internalized misogyny,” and now “suppression” of the vote because of new Voter ID laws. What will be the excuse tomorrow?

I was watching MSNBC this morning and they showed Hillary Clinton’s poll numbers before the reports on email leaks (40.0% if I recall correctly) and her actual outcome (40.2% if I recall correctly). They theorized that perhaps the leaks increased her numbers by .2% (in a sarcastic way).

Funny in all this is no talk from democrats that it might have been Hillary herself responsible for her loss.

The Electoral College will elect Trump president today. Deal with it.

Hank Scorpio · 19-12-2016 07:55PM

http://www.270towin.com/live-2016-presidential-election-vote-of-electors/

Trump will hit 270 in a few minutes when the Texas electors cast, no surprises at all.

Hank Scorpio · 19-12-2016 08:20PM

Faithless elector count, some reports of electors changing Clinton votes. No surprises overall really after all the media talk the last week

Clinton: 3+
Minnesota elector refuses to vote Clinton, but is replaced by another elector
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-19/first-faithless-elector-emerges-minnesota-refuses-vote-hillary-clinton
Maine elector tries to vote Bernie, but reverted back to Clinton
http://latestnewsheadlines.ddns.net/news/democratic-maine-electors-vote-for-us-sen-bernie-sanders-ruled-improper-he-switches-vote-to-hillary-clinton
One or more Colorado electors try to vote Kasich, but reverted back to Clinton
https://twitter.com/MAGAtrump5/status/810934812462546944

Trump: 0

PopePalpatine · 19-12-2016 08:31PM

IIRC there's also a pro-Bernie elector in Washington who was planning on voting against Hillary, probably due to the DNC scandal.

Hank Scorpio · 19-12-2016 08:33PM

https://www.facebook.com/FOX7austin/videos/vb.125200554188098/1387893071252167/?type=3&theater

Texas live stream, it should put Trump over the 270

Hank Scorpio · 19-12-2016 09:01PM

3 electors vote Colin Powell and 1 for an one for Faith spotted eagle in Washington.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/electoral-college-donald-trump_us_58581038e4b08debb78a05e8

Hank Scorpio · 19-12-2016 10:29PM

All over, Trump is officially elected.

ligerdub · 19-12-2016 11:05PM

Glorious.

I look forward to the next thread where somebody puts up the hope of him dying before inauguration or some equally mental statement (without much in the way of criticism of course).

Hank Scorpio · 19-12-2016 11:08PM

ligerdub wrote: »

Glorious.

I look forward to the next thread where somebody puts up the hope of him dying before inauguration or some equally mental statement (without much in the way of criticism of course).

The next thing will be the Russia garbage going full scale.

Pretty funny there was more faithless electors against Clinton than Trump after all the shill "celebrities" and Podesta were pushing for it.

Hopefully Merkel get's fecked out too after what happened today.

Hande hoche! · 19-12-2016 11:29PM

ligerdub wrote: »

Glorious.

I look forward to the next thread where somebody puts up the hope of him dying before inauguration or some equally mental statement (without much in the way of criticism of course).

Imagine the next great "hope" will be for impeachment.

ligerdub · 19-12-2016 11:36PM

Ah yes, forgot about that option.

At some point these guys will be tired of losing.

I see that Blindboy Boatface was on TV again tonight. He was giving a spiel on "post-truth" being the word of the year and what it means. To me it is the absolute peak of how low rent the sorts that were on the wrong side of the major votes this year are. It's described as a sense of "the facts don't matter", what a load of bollox! The extremely thinly veiled story here is that "we know the reality, the idiots voted on lies, we're better than you". It just couldn't be any other reason could it.

Count Dooku · 19-12-2016 11:36PM

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Imagine the next great "hope" will be for impeachment.

CNN proposed today that Senate and house should reject votes of electors

The electoral votes will be officially counted on January 6, when Congress returns. Vice President Joe Biden will preside over the count.
Lawmakers can technically object -- in writing, with objections signed by at least one House and one Senate member -- to individual electoral votes or entire states' results. If the House and Senate support that objection, the vote or votes in question are thrown out. But that has never happened.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/19/politics/electoral-college-donald-trump-vote/index.html

or it will be something else

ligerdub · 19-12-2016 11:38PM

Christ. I mean ****ING HELL, can they not just give it up?

Hank Scorpio · 19-12-2016 11:47PM

ligerdub wrote: »

Christ. I mean ****ING HELL, can they not just give it up?

Never, thankfully most people are awake to the narrative and lies now.

The democrats have made a complete fool of themselves.

Hank Scorpio · 20-12-2016 12:13AM

This is hilarious

Inquitus · 20-12-2016 12:30PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Never, thankfully most people are awake to the narrative and lies now.

The democrats have made a complete fool of themselves.

Most people on a global scale recognise that Trump is not fit to be president, in fact most American Voters felt the same given Hillary won the popular vote by close to 3m. His conflicts of interest, his cabinet picks, his narcissistic personality, nothing about him says fit to lead.

FreudianSlippers · 20-12-2016 01:17PM

ligerdub wrote: »

Christ. I mean ****ING HELL, can they not just give it up?

Are you even a US citizen or lawful resident?

Riva10 · 20-12-2016 01:19PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Most people on a global scale recognise that Trump is not fit to be president, in fact most American Voters felt the same given Hillary won the popular vote by close to 3m. His conflicts of interest, his cabinet picks, his narcissistic personality, nothing about him says fit to lead.

And is Hillary Clinton any more suited.?

FreudianSlippers · 20-12-2016 01:23PM

ligerdub wrote: »

That's a totally unreasonable assertion in my opinion.

The subtle message here is that the CIA and the FBI aren't prone to lying or deception, when they have historically been probably one of the most guilty organisations of that in the world over the years.

In fairness, your opinion is little more than a wild conspiracy theory unsupported by any evidence or fact. There is a forum for that on boards.ie, I just don't think that it's this one.

FreudianSlippers · 20-12-2016 01:25PM

Riva10 wrote: »

And is Hillary Clinton any more suited.?

Merely on political experience, I would argue the answer is yes.

Until the nomination of Trump, I was registered as a Republican and had there been a better Republican candidate I would not have voted for Clinton. I have to be honest, I struggled in the primaries as well though given the field all had significant negatives to my political leanings.

nhunter100 · 20-12-2016 01:28PM

Inquitus wrote:

Most people on a global scale recognise that Trump is not fit to be president, in fact most American Voters felt the same given Hillary won the popular vote by close to 3m. His conflicts of interest, his cabinet picks, his narcissistic personality, nothing about him says fit to lead.

Mmmm... the American people had a great choice Clinton vrs Trump. 'Nothing about him says fit to lead' yet he's the President elect. Guess alot of folks are going to have to suck it up for the next 4 years providing he manages not to get assassinated by a 'snowflake' or impeached.

FreudianSlippers · 20-12-2016 01:41PM

nhunter100 wrote: »

Mmmm... the American people had a great choice Clinton vrs Trump. 'Nothing about him says fit to lead' yet he's the President elect. Guess alot of folks are going to have to suck it up for the next 4 years providing he manages not to get assassinated by a 'snowflake' or impeached.

I think impeachment is a hell of a lot more likely to be honest.

However, that aside, I think that no matter who it is that is President-elect, the accusations of Russian ties and/or hacking must be investigated thoroughly.

nhunter100 · 20-12-2016 01:49PM

FreudianSlippers wrote:

However, that aside, I think that no matter who it is that is President-elect, the accusations of Russian ties and/or hacking must be investigated thoroughly.

Of course an investigation should happen, although personally I think nothing will come of it. More pressing matters are coming to the fore.

ligerdub · 20-12-2016 01:50PM

I never made any claims that aren't supported by claims already accepted by the CIA themselves.

Their actions over the years reflect the sort of thing they are prepared to do, including attempted (and indeed successful) killings of heads of state. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's a fact.

K-9 · 20-12-2016 02:05PM

Well we shouldn't really believe Russian denials either if we are going down the spy agencies are lying, double crossing scoundrel lines!

Technically Hillary Clinton could still be elected President.

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