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Technically Hillary Clinton could still be elected President.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Apparently telling citizens the truth about their Government influenced the election. Good.

    The spin of the left is that the Russians have been hacking US systems for decades, which in all likelihood is true, and also true the US have been doing the same to many other countries. So based on that, they've decided to declare they influenced Trump winning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKx8s8otZ30&feature=youtu.be&t=147

    They have NO evidence linking Wikileaks to Russia, what they're saying is systems have been hacked before, but we don't know what the Wikileaks source is.

    This is yet another spin by the twisted left and the owned MSM to propagate a false narrative led by hacks at the Washington Post.

    Even if it was TRUE, which it's not, is it no excuse for the corruption. First it was their influence on the voting machines, now this. It's utter desperation and an attempt to deflect from Clinton using an unencrypted private email server containing several top secret documents. The hypocrisy is mind blowing. Change your electoral vote for me! Forget I've been highly negligent and hacked with high certainty according to the FBI.

    The Russians might have given Wikileaks information that is true which exposed corruption in our government, now go turn your back on the American voters. No wonder Podesta crawled out from under his rock telling the electoral voters he'll show them some powerpoint slides, which of course would be in no way biased. The only people still trying to influence people is the left establishment. Electoral voters have been receiving death threats and bribes to change the vote ever since Trump won. http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/30/politics/banerian-death-threats-cnntv/ The tolerant left indeed.

    It makes me gag the depths these people will sink too, from paying mentally ill people to incite violence ( EVEN AT SCHOOLS RALLIES ) Wikileaks exposed so much and now we're seeing it again. Forget about the alt right and there pepe memes, the conniving and decetefulness of the left masked by the MSM is downright disgusting.

    Rant over :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Bluff is being called, starts @ 40 seconds in.



    Edit: More updates.

    Craig Murray, a former British ambassador to Uzbekistan and a close associate of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, said in the report by the Daily Mail that he flew to Washington for a clandestine handoff with one of the email sources in September.
    He said he received a package in a wooded area near American University.
    “Neither of [the leaks] came from the Russians,” Mr. Murray told the British newspaper. “The source had legal access to the information. The documents came from inside leaks, not hacks.”

    Mr. Murray said the leakers were motivated by “disgust at the corruption of the Clinton Foundation and the tilting of the primary election playing field against Bernie Sanders.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/14/craig-murray-says-source-of-hillary-clinton-campai/

    This won't help the Seth Rich conspiracy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Just in 2014 alone... The White House was hacked, the State Department was hacked, the US Postal Service was hacked, the Office of Personnel Management was hacked, the Government Printing Office was hacked, the Government Accountability Office was hacked, HealthCare.gov was hacked, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission was hacked, the Energy Department was hacked, and the Census Bureau was hacked. And those are just the federal government departments that the public has been told about. What else was hacked? Where was Democratic outrage? Where were the calls for investigations?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Bluff is being called, starts @ 40 seconds in.



    Edit: More updates.

    Craig Murray, a former British ambassador to Uzbekistan and a close associate of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, said in the report by the Daily Mail that he flew to Washington for a clandestine handoff with one of the email sources in September.
    He said he received a package in a wooded area near American University.
    “Neither of [the leaks] came from the Russians,” Mr. Murray told the British newspaper. “The source had legal access to the information. The documents came from inside leaks, not hacks.”

    Mr. Murray said the leakers were motivated by “disgust at the corruption of the Clinton Foundation and the tilting of the primary election playing field against Bernie Sanders.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/14/craig-murray-says-source-of-hillary-clinton-campai/

    This won't help the Seth Rich conspiracy.

    And back in August, Julian Assange suggested that Seth Rich, a 27 year-old Democratic staffer, was the source for the leaked DNC emails. Rich was murdered in DC back in July. The killer or killers took nothing from him, leaving behind his wallet, watch and cell phone. The killer or killers were never found.

    Too many things seem to be linked together for the CIA not to investigate, IMO. But what if it was true that Rich was killed because of what he did, and the DNC was involved? It would absolutely destroy the DNC as a political party if they had any involvement in his murder. If true that the DNC was involved, would we ever know? Perhaps it is better for the country to just blame the Russians or some other boogieman. The Democrats are accustomed to that sort of thing... remember the video and Benghazi?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    Astounding that Clinton fans are insisting Trump be done for treason when the CIA are passing information anonymously to sympathetic media while refusing to co-operate with their own oversight committee. 100% rogue. Even without decades of known lies from them, why would anybody believe a word of their shyte?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Rainman16 wrote: »
    If the electoral collage can get enough faithless electors, They would most likely just abstain from voting for Trump and not vote for Clinton. Thereby creating a situation where neither candidate has 270.

    In that senerio, It is the United States House of Representatives that elects the president, which has a Republican Majority.

    In order for Trump not to win, Republicans would have to turn on him on mass and vote for another republican to be president.

    Could happen though. Certainly the McCain wing of the party would like to see him out.

    The electors vote on Monday. On Tuesday stories of Russian hacking will disappear.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Bluff is being called, starts @ 40 seconds in.



    Edit: More updates.

    Craig Murray, a former British ambassador to Uzbekistan and a close associate of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, said in the report by the Daily Mail that he flew to Washington for a clandestine handoff with one of the email sources in September.
    He said he received a package in a wooded area near American University.
    “Neither of [the leaks] came from the Russians,” Mr. Murray told the British newspaper. “The source had legal access to the information. The documents came from inside leaks, not hacks.”

    Mr. Murray said the leakers were motivated by “disgust at the corruption of the Clinton Foundation and the tilting of the primary election playing field against Bernie Sanders.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/14/craig-murray-says-source-of-hillary-clinton-campai/

    This won't help the Seth Rich conspiracy.

    Yes. The fact that the leaks happened during the DNC primaries and seemed to benefit sandars to begin with has been conviently forgotten.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    Yes. The fact that the leaks happened during the DNC primaries and seemed to benefit sandars to begin with has been conviently forgotten.

    Bernie has been left as the only real opposition voice to Trump

    Clinton has disappeared


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,716 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha



    Well you have no respect for the American people who made the decision to elect Donald. Get over it or get out as some promised to do.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    Well you have no respect for the American people who made the decision to elect Donald. Get over it or get out as some promised to do.
    I'm not asking you to vote for Hillary Clinton... what a f**king joke! Half the twats in that video campaigned for her!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    That's an absolutely dire video. Having flashbacks to Josh Whedon's dreck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Astounding that Clinton fans are insisting Trump be done for treason when the CIA are passing information anonymously to sympathetic media while refusing to co-operate with their own oversight committee. 100% rogue. Even without decades of known lies from them, why would anybody believe a word of their shyte?
    CIA engaging in espionage somehow surprises you... isn't that their entire purpose?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Could happen though. Certainly the McCain wing of the party would like to see him out.

    The electors vote on Monday. On Tuesday stories of Russian hacking will disappear.
    Moderate and socially liberal Republicans do not like Trump. He's not going to have the easy ride in the Federal Legislature that people seem to be suggesting.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    CIA engaging in espionage somehow surprises you... isn't that their entire purpose?
    Engaging in espionage and lying to the American people is the CIA's entire purpose? You sure about that?


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,863 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Engaging in espionage and lying to the American people is the CIA's entire purpose? You sure about that?

    You seem very sure that they're lying.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    You seem very sure that they're lying.
    You seem very sure they aren't lying.
    They have produced zero evidence, so please tell us exactly what part of nothing at all convinced you?


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,863 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    You seem very sure they aren't lying.
    I don't know whether or not they're lying. I think that deflecting the conversation to one about whether or not they are lying is one fairly effective way of changing the subject away from what it is they're saying.

    Do you think they are lying? If so, what (apart from the logical fallacy of "they've lied before therefore they're lying now" or the rather more obvious "I disagree with them therefore they're lying) makes you think so?

    And if you do think they're lying...
    oscarBravo wrote: »
    ...if you believe they are lying about this, then you either believe that they are lying to the President about it, which is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence, or that they are lying on behalf of the President, which is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence.

    Bear in mind we're not just talking about the CIA; we're talking about all seventeen intelligence agencies. So, again: if you believe the entire intelligence community (did you look that up yet?) is lying, do you believe that they're lying to or on behalf of the President? And why do you believe that?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    I don't know whether or not they're lying. I think that deflecting the conversation to one about whether or not they are lying is one fairly effective way of changing the subject away from what it is they're saying.
    Deflection? Laughable. Who cares "what they are saying" if it's lies, with no evidence whatsoever to back it! We should focus on "what creationists are saying" now too should we? What about "focus on what the flat earthers are saying"?
    No, sorry, I'm not having such a woeful attempt at evasion. We're not allowed to consider whether they're lying because that's "changing the subject away from what it is they're saying."
    That's pretty close to the worst one I've ever heard tried online TBH.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,863 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    We're not allowed to consider whether they're lying because that's "changing the subject away from what it is they're saying."
    Only in a Trumpian, post-fact world could someone respond to a post containing, inter alia, "I don't know whether or not they're lying... Do you think they are lying? If so, what... makes you think so? And if you do think they're lying... if you believe [they are] lying..." with "We're not allowed to consider whether they're lying..."

    No deflection here, no sirree bob.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Only in a Trumpian, post-fact world could someone respond to a post containing, inter alia, "I don't know whether or not they're lying... Do you think they are lying? If so, what... makes you think so? And if you do think they're lying... if you believe [they are] lying..." with "We're not allowed to consider whether they're lying..."

    No deflection here, no sirree bob.
    Only in an SJW, post-sense world could someone say "I believe this and I am extremely proud to say I have no evidence whatsoever for it. Because, you know, it suits my agenda."
    So, to sum your argument: you got nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    The last time a President wanted to curtail the influence of the CIA he ended up being murdered, what an odd coincidence. They are rotten to the core, and have been for decades.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭Count Dooku


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Bear in mind we're not just talking about the CIA; we're talking about all seventeen intelligence agencies. So, again: if you believe the entire intelligence community (did you look that up yet?) is lying, do you believe that they're lying to or on behalf of the President? And why do you believe that?
    Do you mean that Coastal Guard Intelligence is capable to solving who hacked DNC server?
    From one side we have statement without any evidence and very good reason to lie about Russian hackers
    On second side we have Anyway - good video that most of Americans outside of big cities don't believe to Democrats and their biased media


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Only in an SJW, post-sense world could someone say "I believe this and I am extremely proud to say I have no evidence whatsoever for it. Because, you know, it suits my agenda."
    So, to sum your argument: you got nothing.

    First time I have heard Trump called an SJW:p.

    Seriously it is kinda hard to argue that people don't have enough evidence when Trump is in power. I agree it should be supplied but the sudden fascination for evidence from the right is hilarious to watch.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Seriously it is kinda hard to argue that people don't have enough evidence when Trump is in power. I agree it should be supplied but the sudden fascination for evidence from the right is hilarious to watch.
    Who's on the right? Oh we can just have the entire debate here run on assertions then can we? You actually want the same standards here as Breitbart?
    "Something similar happened once so it's OK now..."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Who's on the right? Oh we can just have the entire debate here run on assertions then can we? You actually want the same standards here as Breitbart?
    "Something similar happened once so it's OK now..."

    I specifically said it wasn't ok. I have specifically said repeatedly that I am waiting for the evidence.

    I just note that there are a fair few shouting for evidence who haven't been so worried about it in the past. Quoting may or may not have been unfair as I can't remember any specific examples of you not needing evidence but it has certainly been a strong theme from Trump supporters with regards to millions of immigrants voting when they shouldn't have, Hillary being on deaths door with all the illnesses she was supposed to have, anything she was close to was insanely corrupt etc.

    Heck I haven't even checked back to see if you are a Trump supporter.

    In fact my assertion that evidence should be provided is even the part you quoted! Come on, that isn't a serious counter argument.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    Christy42 wrote: »
    I specifically said it wasn't ok. I have specifically said repeatedly that I am waiting for the evidence.

    I just note that there are a fair few shouting for evidence who haven't been so worried about it in the past. Quoting may or may not have been unfair as I can't remember any specific examples of you not needing evidence but it has certainly been a strong theme from Trump supporters with regards to millions of immigrants voting when they shouldn't have, Hillary being on deaths door with all the illnesses she was supposed to have, anything she was close to was insanely corrupt etc.

    Heck I haven't even checked back to see if you are a Trump supporter.

    In fact my assertion that evidence should be provided is even the part you quoted! Come on, that isn't a serious counter argument.
    But you were talking about people here and the "irony" of them doing x and y! Now you're claiming you don't know who you're talking about and you can't be bothered to find any of them?
    Powerful, powerful argument!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    But you were talking about people here and the "irony" of them doing x and y! Now you're claiming you don't know who you're talking about and you can't be bothered to find any of them?
    Powerful, powerful argument!

    Stop misrepresenting my argument.

    I said I could not remember if you had held such a position.

    I gave the example of the illegal immigrants voters. This was Trump himself. Amerika and My Little Pony also exprrssed those views here. Hank Scorpio posted about the birther conspiracy the other day and again this was Trump for years.

    As for the health claims they were made on here quite a while ago but are pretty widespreadhttps://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world/709081/Hillary-Clinton-health-US-presidential-election-year-vascular-dementia-claim/amp?client=ms-android-h3g-ie. Again nothing backing them up.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,863 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    I don't know whether or not they're lying.
    Only in an SJW, post-sense world could someone say "I believe this and I am extremely proud to say I have no evidence whatsoever for it. Because, you know, it suits my agenda."

    It's a pretty weak form of argument, pretending that someone has said something in order to disagree with it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Some interesting maps

    Clinton - https://i.sli.mg/4tG354.png
    Trump - https://i.sli.mg/efqo9B.jpg


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