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Reggie. · 30-11-2016 11:57AM

Willfarman wrote: »

Pass it back down the line to the milk man . He can afford to give you a calf very cheap now with milk on the up!

Hard to when dealers roll in and order the first 40 or so calves from farmers

Bass Reeves · 30-11-2016 11:57AM

Willfarman wrote: »

Pass it back down the line to the milk man . He can afford to give you a calf very cheap now with milk on the up!

Young lad bought 10 nice little FR bulls. 4 nice square ones 4 middle of the road and two narrowish( but may still stretch to O- if carried to over 350kgs DW. They were about 230kgs delivered into the yard by seller for 290 euro. He had to bring then 40 miles in a jeep and box

Bass Reeves · 30-11-2016 12:01PM

Reggie. wrote: »

Hard to when dealers roll in and order the first 40 or so calves from farmers

Calves have dropped back from what I hear. It si the idiot in the mart that lets dealers drive them to 350 euro for a nice HE calf that is 5-6 weeks old that really drives the prices. Often it a case of holding your nerve and waiting. Always think it is easier to pick up value in weanlings rather than calves. Lower mortality, lower vets bills. etc

Willfarman · 30-11-2016 12:03PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Young lad bought 10 nice little FR bulls. 4 nice square ones 4 middle of the road and two narrowish( but may still stretch to O- if carried to over 350kgs DW. They were about 230kgs delivered into the yard by seller for 290 euro. He had to bring then 40 miles in a jeep and box

Papa thought that boy well!

Bass Reeves · 30-11-2016 12:13PM

Willfarman wrote: »

Papa thought that boy well!

I hate to be dealing with the f@@ker, way worse than me I inclined to send him buying alot of the time nows.

CHOPS01 · 30-11-2016 01:34PM

Hoping to go shopping over the next week or so to see if I can pick up a few. Is €2/kg the run of things for Hex 18 - 24 months

kk.man · 30-11-2016 02:18PM

Willfarman wrote: »

Papa thought that boy well!

BASS
Will ya leave them whole?

marathon · 30-11-2016 02:27PM

Willfarman wrote: »

What mart? Were they very leggy?

Enniscorthy. No went leggy were good Angus I was going bring them home but decided to take my beating and let them on

Bass Reeves · 30-11-2016 02:29PM

kk.man wrote: »

BASS
Will ya leave them whole?

Until they come pout of the shed anyway. But might be a tad light to do as bulls for christmas 12 months. Will wait and see. Have about 20 weanling bulls at present mixture of Fresians and Shorthorns.

Mooooo · 30-11-2016 05:08PM

How are cull cows go in at the moment. straight from parlour or just soaked up?

patsy_mccabe · 30-11-2016 06:29PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Calves have dropped back from what I hear. It si the idiot in the mart that lets dealers drive them to 350 euro for a nice HE calf that is 5-6 weeks old that really drives the prices. Often it a case of holding your nerve and waiting. Always think it is easier to pick up value in weanlings rather than calves. Lower mortality, lower vets bills. etc

A Char bull calf, about a month old, made €520 yesterday in Ennis. He was some calf though, in fairness.:D

Bass Reeves · 30-11-2016 07:16PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

A Char bull calf, about a month old, made €520 yesterday in Ennis. He was some calf though, in fairness.:D

Like I said there is always some idiot

Cavanjack · 30-11-2016 07:18PM

How is the weanling trade at the minute? was keeping an eye on Roscommon last night online but there seemed to be a very small sale of Bulls. I suppose the bulk of them are sold now.

charolais0153 · 30-11-2016 08:03PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Like I said there is always some idiot

For a good charolais bull calf its not too bad if you had a cow that lost a calf he'd be worth 900+next September for minimal expense

Bass Reeves · 30-11-2016 08:20PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

For a good charolais bull calf its not too bad if you had a cow that lost a calf he'd be worth 900+next September for minimal expense

You would be better off with a Friesian bull calf you would get a goodish one for 100 euro he be worth 600-650 next autumn. Either would be weighing 400+ next autumn Fr would be giving better margin

Cavanjack · 30-11-2016 08:44PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

You would be better off with a Friesian bull calf you would get a goodish one for 100 euro he be worth 600-650 next autumn. Either would be weighing 400+ next autumn Fr would be giving better margin

Killed a few p grade friesians last week. €3.40 for p+ with a base of €3.70. If the base price does go to €3.50 next year you'd want to be getting them for nothing with a good luck penny to be bothered.

Bass Reeves · 30-11-2016 08:53PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Killed a few p grade friesians last week. €3.40 for p+ with a base of €3.70. If the base price does go to €3.50 next year you'd want to be getting them for nothing with a good luck penny to be bothered.

A Friesian bull that comes off a cow is totally different to a bucket fed one especially a good one they tend to grade 1-2 points higher on the scale than they should. If the base is at 3.5/kg it will hit the Charolais weanling that would come off taht cow just as hard next year. The friesian coming in 400 cheaper would still leave a better margin than the charolais

charolais0153 · 30-11-2016 09:24PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

You would be better off with a Friesian bull calf you would get a goodish one for 100 euro he be worth 600-650 next autumn. Either would be weighing 400+ next autumn Fr would be giving better margin

I don't think you'd pay 650 for a year old Friesian.

Willfarman · 01-12-2016 05:41PM

There'd be roughly 300 between a r grade Charolais and a o= Friesian at same age. Very roughly as there being so many variables.. Would 250 buy a black limo?

Bass Reeves · 01-12-2016 07:42PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

I don't think you'd pay 650 for a year old Friesian.

If he had been reared under a cow he be over 400kgs such a calf would be grading a point or two higher on the scale than he normally should be. You would be paying between 600 and 650. He be a totally different animal to you friesian that is bucket fed. The Charolais calf at 520 was horrible bad value compared to other calf options to put under a cow. The advantage of a Fr is you have a much larger selection, and two week old ones would be quite cheap. As willfarmer said a good LM would be ideal if got for 250 but could be hard to source, a HE if he was not too expensive would be another option but good Fr would nearly leave as much as any of them.

TBH if you were in the suckling game a LMX SIX or CHX heifer would be more advantageous and you could use her as a replacement

charolais0153 · 01-12-2016 11:10PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

If he had been reared under a cow he be over 400kgs such a calf would be grading a point or two higher on the scale than he normally should be. You would be paying between 600 and 650. He be a totally different animal to you friesian that is bucket fed. The Charolais calf at 520 was horrible bad value compared to other calf options to put under a cow. The advantage of a Fr is you have a much larger selection, and two week old ones would be quite cheap. As willfarmer said a good LM would be ideal if got for 250 but could be hard to source, a HE if he was not too expensive would be another option but good Fr would nearly leave as much as any of them.

TBH if you were in the suckling game a LMX SIX or CHX heifer would be more advantageous and you could use her as a replacement

270 days till 1st September.
2 calves 4 weeks old fr bull,CH bull
120£ £520
Fr-50 now. Ch-65kg
1.3kg/day. 1 .45kg/day. (CH is presumably >R+ so more efficient weight gain.)
400kg. 450kg
€1.8/kg. €2.45/kg
720. 1120
Now tell me how I'm wrong

Bass Reeves · 02-12-2016 12:26AM

charolais0153 wrote: »

270 days till 1st September.
2 calves 4 weeks old fr bull,CH bull
120£ £520
Fr-50 now. Ch-65kg
1.3kg/day. 1 .45kg/day. (CH is presumably >R+ so more efficient weight gain.)
400kg. 450kg
€1.8/kg. €2.45/kg
720. 1120
Now tell me how I'm wrong

On those figures both left the same margin between in and out
720-120=600 euro
1120-520 =600 euro.

Now why would you invest 520 euro when you would get exactly the same return for 120 euro. However you will be selling a dairy cross CH I would doubt if as a 450kg bull he would hit 2.45/kg more than likly back at the 2-2.2/kg. The Friesian would surprise you they have great weight gain it the f@@kin K/O and grading that kills you.

Who2 · 02-12-2016 12:28AM

charolais0153 wrote: »

270 days till 1st September.
2 calves 4 weeks old fr bull,CH bull
120£ £520
Fr-50 now. Ch-65kg
1.3kg/day. 1 .45kg/day. (CH is presumably >R+ so more efficient weight gain.)
400kg. 450kg
€1.8/kg. €2.45/kg
720. 1120
Now tell me how I'm wrong

Well if you can get a bought in calf to do 1.45kg a day your a genius. If you can get a bought in friesan to do 1.3 your a bloody miracle worker.

_Brian · 02-12-2016 12:34AM

Who2 wrote: »

Well if you can get a bought in calf to do 1.45kg a day your a genius. If you can get a bought in friesan to do 1.3 your a bloody miracle worker.

I agree.. weight gain of 1.3kg/day is substantial for bought in calves..

What sort of feeding regime is getting this and at what cost ??

charolais0153 · 02-12-2016 08:01AM

_Brian wrote: »

I agree.. weight gain of 1.3kg/day is substantial for bought in calves..

What sort of feeding regime is getting this and at what cost ??

Bass said the Friesian would be 400kg at 1st September 270 days from now .he'd have to put on 350kg so.350÷270=1.3. Tbh I wouldn't know what they'd thrive I gave the charolais a little extra because hes charolais

blue5000 · 02-12-2016 09:38AM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Bass said the Friesian would be 400kg at 1st September 270 days from now .he'd have to put on 350kg so.350÷270=1.3. Tbh I wouldn't know what they'd thrive I gave the charolais a little extra because hes charolais

It's a lot simpler to buy a beef x heifer, 5 star, and put her in calf;);)

Bass Reeves · 02-12-2016 10:45AM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Bass said the Friesian would be 400kg at 1st September 270 days from now .he'd have to put on 350kg so.350÷270=1.3. Tbh I wouldn't know what they'd thrive I gave the charolais a little extra because hes charolais

I did my calculation off over 300 days days. He was bought early this week and in reality you would not be selling a Friesian store bull until early October so 300ish days. Bought this lad about 8 weeks ago. Was outside on grass( being rationed by strip grazing) in a bunch getting a kg of nuts a head. He used to leave the nuts and follow me to the grass. I was wary of he always keeping the near the fence. The bunch he came in average at 270gs if I remember right and he was the strongest at nearly 300kgs. I say he has done a kg/day since, He was in a bucket fed bunch when bought

A calf like that under a cow for the 300 days would average 1.2/kg/day. I gamble he hit nearly 1.5/day for a small part of the summer on milk and good grass. If you are autumn calving and if Cont calves are not hitting 450 kgs in late September you are at nothing.

furandfeather · 06-12-2016 11:47PM

Last few of this year went yesterday
Sim x fr cull cow 560 kg. €850
Sim x fr cull cow 645 kg. €1000
Sim heifer 17months 455kgs. €940
Sim bull 9 months 450kg. €1070

locky76 · 07-12-2016 08:45AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

On those figures both left the same margin between in and out
720-120=600 euro
1120-520 =600 euro.

Now why would you invest 520 euro when you would get exactly the same return for 120 euro. However you will be selling a dairy cross CH I would doubt if as a 450kg bull he would hit 2.45/kg more than likly back at the 2-2.2/kg. The Friesian would surprise you they have great weight gain it the f@@kin K/O and grading that kills you.

Surely it feels better for the ego to be walking away from the mart with the €1,120 cheque in the arse pocket? ;-)

Bass Reeves · 07-12-2016 09:37AM

locky76 wrote: »

Surely it feels better for the ego to be walking away from the mart with the €1,120 cheque in the arse pocket? ;-)

It is a matter of risk. If anything happen to the Fresian Bull its a 100 euro down the drain, fresians are fairly robust animals so risk is low. IF anything happens to the ChX bull its 520 euro down the drain and in my experience the risk is slightly higher. The better the animal the higher the risk somthing will go wrong. If he coughs or a bit of snot is on his nose you are running to the vet as you have more invested.

It is Murphy 2nd law When a slice of toast falls the pobablity of it falling marmalde side down is porportional to the the value of the carpet underneath.

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