Pope will vist Ireland in 2018(mod warning in Op)

The Draugan wrote: »

I hope we don't make a disgrace of ourselves fawning all over the man, with all of the abuses and cover ups by the RCC that have come to light in recent years , like the Queens visit a number of years ago this should be a visit of reflection, apology and healing relations by the pope on behalf of the church.

I fear however what we will see is a lot of ring kissing and in effect a papal victory lap of a country still deeply affected by the negative influence of the RCC in our recent past, still with draconian laws on Blasphemy and abortion , where the children of non religious parents can be bumped to the bottom of the waiting list to attend state funded primary schools , where victims of church abuse are still awaiting proper justice and compensation, while their abusers still walk free, protected by the Church .

I welcomed the visit of the Queen and appreciated its historic importance , i am yet to be convinced by the Papal visit.

The Pope is coming for the world meeting of families, it is a catholic event to celebrate the family as viewed from a catholic perspective. Which popes have attended in the past.
It is not a state visit like the Queen's visit was.
They won't be in Dublin castle having a state feast.
It is the Pope visiting for a catholic global event, I watched it on CNN last year, there will be people from around the world at it, as it is a global celebration of the family.
It is more than just about Ireland.

RobertKK wrote: »

The Pope is coming for the world meeting of families, it is a catholic event to celebrate the family as viewed from a catholic perspective. Which popes have attended in the past.
It is not a state visit like the Queen's visit was.
They won't be in Dublin castle having a state feast.
It is the Pope visiting for a catholic global event, I watched it on CNN last year, there will be people from around the world at it, as it is a global celebration of the family.
It is more than just about Ireland.

If it's not a state visit then why was this confirmed by Enda Kenny?

HellSquirrel wrote: »

I don't quite see the importance of the Papal visit, but you make good points.

I don't necessarily view the actual visit as at all important certainly not personally , i'm an atheist , have absolutely 0 interest in religion.

I do thinks its important in terms of how its handled , i would hate to see our politicians fall all over themselves for the pope, i think that would send a very negative message about where we are as a country and also would be hugely disrespectful to the victims of church abuse many of whom are still living and still fighting for justice.

RobertKK wrote: »

The Pope is coming for the world meeting of families, it is a catholic event to celebrate the family as viewed from a catholic perspective.

So basically same sex couples, unmarried families and single parents need not attend.

The Draugan wrote: »

I hope we don't make a disgrace of ourselves fawning all over the man, with all of the abuses and cover ups by the RCC that have come to light in recent years ,

I'm sure we can put together some sort of protest group to mix things up. Yeah, a quick google shows that the Free Presbyterians up the north are already planning a protest. I'm sure we've got some atheists and serial protester groups that will spawn when the pope shows up.

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

So basically same sex couples, unmarried families and single parents need not attend.

Isn't it shocking the Catholic church views the family from a Catholic perspective, they don't invite people to attend or ask if they are same sex couples or unmarried families or single parents, people are free to attend but should not be shocked that viewpoints at a catholic event are from a Catholic perspective.

RobertKK wrote: »

Isn't it shocking the Catholic church views the family from a Catholic perspective, they don't invite people to attend or ask if they are same sex couples or unmarried families or single parents, people are free to attend but should not be shocked that viewpoints at a catholic event are from a Catholic perspective.

Child abusers in the front row then.

Funny aul cult.

whisky_galore wrote: »

Apologies are cheap.

I'm sure he's a very nice man, but represents a horrible, outdated organisation which severely wronged many of its followers and ruined their lives.

The church is in terminal decline, I'll give it 10-15 years...20 tops..before we'll see next to no priests and empty churches up and down the country.

They will send missionaries

brickmauser wrote: »

Can you put a lip on the bigotry?

Have a go at the Muslims rather than an easy target.

Islamophobia is wrong but Catholicophobia is alright?

The correct word is pederastophobia

Dick phelan wrote: »

TBH because of my age i don't really care that much about what the Catholic Church did in the past in the same way i don't care what the IRA did, I often find a lot of the people who are very angry at the church are people who have never actually suffered under it, anyone who's in their 20s or even 30s has never really had to live under the control of the church, therefore i find their anger somewhat ridiculous, I understand older people having a deep hate for the church but many who do have never actually experienced things like industrial schools, laundries ect. I don't care about the Church, i feel no anger toward it, i personally think it's all a big fairy story but hey if people find some good in it as long as they leave me alone i'm fine with that. I really feel people who claim to not care about the church spend far too much time talking about it and getting themselves worked up into a rage over something they claim has no importance in their lives.

I disagree i don't think you have to of been personally affected in order to be angry at what was carried out and covered up by the church , they are still protecting pedophile priests to this day. And its not all that long ago the Magdalene laundries closed 1994 was the last one. we still have stupid laws here like the blasphemy law and the ban on abortion that was heavily influenced by the catholic church. No to mention the fact that our state school system still teaches more religion then science , geography and history up to second level. From a political Stan point the church and catholic organisations campaigned against marriage equality only 18 months ago.

I didnt live in Poland in 1938 or behind the iron curtain in the 50' and 60's either but I've no time for Nazis or Communists either.

brickmauser wrote: »

Can you put a lip on the bigotry?

Have a go at the Muslims rather than an easy target.

Islamophobia is wrong but Catholicophobia is alright?

Islam is a religion. The Catholic Church is not a religion - it is the richest cult in the world.

If you want to compare something against Islam you should be looking at Christianity. Christianity is the religion. I have no issues with Christianity.

My issue is with the wealthiest organisation in the world which thrives in the suffering of the poor and weak and takes advantage of that power. Mother Theresa being a recent example of someone that thrived in the suffering of others.

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Islam is a religion. The Catholic Church is not a religion - it is the richest cult in the world.

If you want to compare something against Islam you should be looking at Christianity. Christianity is the religion. I have no issues with Christianity.

My issue is with the wealthiest organisation in the world which thrives in the suffering of the poor and weak and takes advantage of that power. Mother Theresa being a recent example of someone that thrived in the suffering of others.

Give or take for the first 1,000 years of Christianity it was only the Catholic church that existed, all the other forms of Christianity have their origins in the Catholic church.
Roman Catholicism is the founding religion of all Christian religions.
Therefore your statement as highlighted is contradictory as you do have issues with Christianity since all the break off churches like Protestant churches have their origin in the Catholic church.

The Catholic church is the 2nd biggest provider in the world of both healthcare and education after state provided healthcare and education.
In some poor countries it is only the church who provides these services which help people to get out of poverty.
If you teach a person to read and write, do maths and learn them science, it is the basis to remove oneself from poverty.
Even in rich countries like the US, 15% of hospitals are catholic hospitals.
The Catholic church for 2010 spent $170 billion to provide services to people.

From the economist:

OF ALL the organisations that serve America’s poor, few do more good work than the Catholic church: its schools and hospitals provide a lifeline for millions. Yet even taking these virtues into account, the finances of the Catholic church in America are an unholy mess. The sins involved in its book-keeping are not as vivid or grotesque as those on display in the various sexual-abuse cases that have cost the American church more than $3 billion so far.

The Economist estimates that annual spending by the church and entities owned by the church was around $170 billion in 2010 (the church does not release such figures). We think 57% of this goes on health-care networks, followed by 28% on colleges, with parish and diocesan day-to-day operations accounting for just 6% and national charitable activities just 2.7% (see chart). In total, Catholic institutions employ over 1m people, reckons Fred Gluck, a former McKinsey managing partner and co-founder of the National Leadership Roundtable on Church Management, a lay organisation seeking to improve the way the church is run. For purposes of secular comparison, in 2010 General Electric’s revenue was $150 billion and Walmart employed roughly 2m people.

http://www.economist.com/node/21560536
There is a lot more in that link.