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tellmeabit · 10-10-2016 04:48PM

What Mart in kerry? Seems to be big nuff difference in some marts down there

Bass Reeves · 10-10-2016 04:54PM

tellmeabit wrote: »

What Mart in kerry? Seems to be big nuff difference in some marts down there

Castleisland last Monday and Kenmare on Thursday from the information I got.

kollegeknight · 10-10-2016 06:33PM

Ennis mart last Thursday. Two heifers that scanned not in calf about 19 months.?4* with low rating €78-€79 genotype tagged.

Red limo 380kg - €885
Black limo 400kg -990

CloughCasey1 · 10-10-2016 08:20PM

degetme wrote: »

Sold for 915 Average weight 549
Spring 15 fr bullocks.

I wasnt far out.☺. You happy enough with price?

degetme · 10-10-2016 08:33PM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

I wasnt far out.☺. You happy enough with price?

Ya you were close. 45e a head less than last year's lot. I've no winter facilities for them so I have to be happy with price.

Muckit · 10-10-2016 10:35PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Forget about colour or hair. Third bull is the business. He has averaged 1.25kg/day since birth. Great shape two. Of the three IMO he is the best animal.

Yes he looks 'the business' now, but he'II not get into the same weights as the other two lads. He won't grow up and the Belgian blue haven't great legs. He'II never make a bullock. A fast finish is the only option and they are a harder finished animal. Plenty of meal required.

sonnybill · 10-10-2016 10:47PM

Muckit wrote: »

Yes he looks 'the business' now, but he'II not get into the same weights as the other two lads. He won't grow up and the Belgian blue haven't great legs. He'II never make a bullock. A fast finish is the only option and they are a harder finished animal. Plenty of meal required.

I hear no BB's on Turkish shopping list either

Bass Reeves · 10-10-2016 10:53PM

Muckit wrote: »

Yes he looks 'the business' now, but he'II not get into the same weights as the other two lads. He won't grow up and the Belgian blue haven't great legs. He'II never make a bullock. A fast finish is the only option and they are a harder finished animal. Plenty of meal required.

380kgs will be the cut off next year. If I am right he will be the only one of the three that will leave a few bob and it will only be a few bob. I often see those Black and white blue's to be the best of them what ever is in them. They tend to be a more sound animal that the real blue BB. The black BB is a goodish animal as well.

Would not be buying cattle to carry weight for next two years.

TITANIUM. · 11-10-2016 08:50AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

tellmeabit wrote: »

What Mart in kerry? Seems to be big nuff difference in some marts down there

Castleisland last Monday and Kenmare on Thursday from the information I got.

I cant speak for castleisland but last week in kenmare wasn't great. The weather drove the number of cattle on offer and you had no real buyers there on the day as they were all there the previous week at the S+S . It wasn't as bad as Bass says tho in fairness, most good weanlings were still making 500 with the weight.
A neighbour who couldn't afford anything the previous week bought a few in there. Hungry looking cattle,
I'd dismiss that sale last week as an anomaly. Lots of poor quality cattle and nobody there to bid on them.

Welding Rod · 11-10-2016 01:10PM

Saw a few lots selling just now in Ennis.

1. Char 430kg. 955. Great calf.
2. 3 Lim 262kg. 745
3. 3 Char 260kg. 750
4. 1 Lim 310kg. 790. Black. Super calf. Length, width and back end muscle. Not sold and rightly so.

Legalised highway robbery being carried out in broad daylight.

We ain't seen the half of Brexit yet.

Bass Reeves · 11-10-2016 01:37PM

Welding Rod wrote: »

Saw a few lots selling just now in Ennis.

1. Char 430kg. 955. Great calf.
2. 3 Lim 262kg. 745
3. 3 Char 260kg. 750
4. 1 Lim 310kg. 790. Black. Super calf. Length, width and back end muscle. Not sold and rightly so.

Legalised highway robbery being carried out in broad daylight.

We ain't seen the half of Brexit yet.

Only calf I see a margin for a finisher there is the first one. If he gains 1.1kg/day from now to next June and is slaughtered at a price of 3.9/kg he come into 1500 euro. I cannot see a margin in any one of the rest of themno matter what system you farm with the price outlook.

I do not know how you make it out to be highway robbery. Lads that buys them unless he is making a margin on flogging them to another fool or is getting an good export price is on a hiding to nothing.

Welding Rod · 11-10-2016 02:07PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Welding Rod wrote: »

Saw a few lots selling just now in Ennis.

1. Char 430kg. 955. Great calf.
2. 3 Lim 262kg. 745
3. 3 Char 260kg. 750
4. 1 Lim 310kg. 790. Black. Super calf. Length, width and back end muscle. Not sold and rightly so.

Legalised highway robbery being carried out in broad daylight.

We ain't seen the half of Brexit yet.

Only calf I see a margin for a finisher there is the first one. If he gains 1.1kg/day from now to next June and is slaughtered at a price of 3.9/kg he come into 1500 euro. I cannot see a margin in any one of the rest of themno matter what system you farm with the price outlook.

I do not know how you make it out to be highway robbery. Lads that buys them unless he is making a margin on flogging them to another fool or is getting an good export price is on a hiding to nothing.

It's highway robbery and nothing else.
That's not to blame the finisher.
It's to blame the processors and the retailers. CNUTS the lot of them. Fat overpaid and over bonused executives in the retail giants. Larry allowed to buy out half the processing capacity in the country, make mega profits, and invest it in the private hospital industry!

CloughCasey1 · 11-10-2016 02:09PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Only calf I see a margin for a finisher there is the first one. If he gains 1.1kg/day from now to next June and is slaughtered at a price of 3.9/kg he come into 1500 euro. I cannot see a margin in any one of the rest of themno matter what system you farm with the price outlook.

I do not know how you make it out to be highway robbery. Lads that buys them unless he is making a margin on flogging them to another fool or is getting an good export price is on a hiding to nothing.

Prices will find a level yet and until that happens there will be no margin for anyone. When it finds its level the person to suffer the most be the inital producer (suckler farmer). You could say same for dairy farmer but his/her income is not reliant on price they get from calves. I think there will be a serious correction in price over next few months and we cant do f-all about it and are all going to lose on our current stock.

Welding Rod · 11-10-2016 02:30PM

Sterling will be in the toilet for years to come. Can only be one outcome for beef prices. They take an awful lot of our beef and their pound will buy a lot less while this Brexit thing is ongoing.

Dairy at least is more diversified from market standpoint.

tellmeabit · 11-10-2016 03:51PM

anyone see any beef cows for sale? have one old lady(14) that im thinking of moving off before xmas, possibly with a (now 2 month old) heifer calf with her and a younger model (8) with heifer calf at foot too. neither in calf. should I let the bull at the younger cow?

TITANIUM. · 11-10-2016 03:56PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Welding Rod wrote: »

Saw a few lots selling just now in Ennis.

1. Char 430kg. 955. Great calf.
2. 3 Lim 262kg. 745
3. 3 Char 260kg. 750
4. 1 Lim 310kg. 790. Black. Super calf. Length, width and back end muscle. Not sold and rightly so.

Legalised highway robbery being carried out in broad daylight.

We ain't seen the half of Brexit yet.

Only calf I see a margin for a finisher there is the first one. If he gains 1.1kg/day from now to next June and is slaughtered at a price of 3.9/kg he come into 1500 euro. I cannot see a margin in any one of the rest of themno matter what system you farm with the price outlook.

I do not know how you make it out to be highway robbery. Lads that buys them unless he is making a margin on flogging them to another fool or is getting an good export price is on a hiding to nothing.

I love the lad's that finish cattle immediately turn on the suckler guy when things aren't looking good. "You should take/lose more money on those animals so I can make some money on them." why don't you make more noise about who you sell your cattle to not giving enough rather than expect the man who carries most of the risk and most of the workload to pick up the tab.If you don't want to buy them for what there worth then don't. Whenever I go to the mart and there's no serious buyers there I end up bringing animals home because I refuse to just give them away at a loss.
I'm not so naive as to think that falling factory prices won't knock the weanling or store trade but there's always a market for high quality animals (around here anyway) and that's what I try to produce.

If I don't get enough I don't sell. If only more finishers did the same.

+1 on the brexit issue. Tough times ahead for beef.

Bass Reeves · 11-10-2016 06:05PM

TITANIUM. wrote: »

I love the lad's that finish cattle immediately turn on the suckler guy when things aren't looking good. "You should take/lose more money on those animals so I can make some money on them." why don't you make more noise about who you sell your cattle to not giving enough rather than expect the man who carries most of the risk and most of the workload to pick up the tab.If you don't want to buy them for what there worth then don't. Whenever I go to the mart and there's no serious buyers there I end up bringing animals home because I refuse to just give them away at a loss.
I'm not so naive as to think that falling factory prices won't knock the weanling or store trade but there's always a market for high quality animals (around here anyway) and that's what I try to produce.

If I don't get enough I don't sell. If only more finishers did the same.

+1 on the brexit issue. Tough times ahead for beef.

The lad that has carried most of the risk in the beef game for the last few years is the finisher. Lads that filled sheds and finished 2-3 lots of cattle out of sheds over a 6-9 month period. These lads are exiting the game like it is going out of fashion and nobody is going to take there place.

Up until now this year prices have held as no glut of cattle have arrived at the marts. My own advice to anyone that I knew with stores was start selling during August/September and keep selling while the price held anyway well. It is holding because there is a perceived shortage from now to mid February. But when the cattle flood into the marts from now on prices will come under pressure.

I am not turning on anyone only pointing out the obvious if cattle fall by 50-80c/kg in the factory then it will be reflected in the store price. What is glaring obvious is that if weight limits come back in like in 2013/2014 then this will hit the store price further. Brexit is not the total issue we are looking at the kill being over 30K/week all next year. It will be even worse than that from Aug-November.

It is all very well to carry a few weanling home that you are throwing 1-2kgs of nuts/day to. It is another thing to have 700kg bullock ploughing up fields and giving them 5kg of ration/day. The other choice is house these cattle. If you do you cannot buy replacements. Then they go over age, weight and fat score and Larry penalizes you further. At the end of the day most finishers can do f@@k all about it when the number of cattle rise.

We all hear about the exporters, however they only appear when there is plenty of cattle around that can be bought cheap.What will they pay more than likely about 2.2/kg for coloured weanling's and it will be bulls only. I was annoyed at larger finishers last year. It seems that the factories contrived with these lads to drop the price of cattle for Aug/Sept. These lads taught Larry was there best friend, he f@@ked them over from before Christmas on.

It is up to every farmer to protect his own business. It is well to remember that a farmers only friend is his pocket. I am not turning on suckler farmers I am just not willing to pay the price that is expected for stores at present. If that means that I leave the shed 2/3 empty for the winter that is fine by me. If I make a mistake some other lads will make 100/head profit for wintering them. If some one else wants to finish cattle instead of me that is grand.

I am budgeting for a base of less than 3.5/kg for next summers. That means that Friesians will be only making 3.2/kg in the factory. A 350kg friesian will net me about 1100 euro. A 350kg Hereford will make 1250, a 340kg AA bullock will make 1200. However the real killer will be suckler bred cattle if weight limits come in and you have to slaughter them at an average of 370kgs cont will make about 1370 euro.

Most finishers myself included are selling cattle this year at over 30c/kg less that we expected. That equates to about 120/head on the average animal. Next year we will be back at least that again. So who the f@@k is robbing who.

CloughCasey1 · 11-10-2016 06:13PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The lad that has carried most of the risk in the beef game for the last few years is the finisher. Lads that filled sheds and finished 2-3 lots of cattle out of sheds over a 6-9 month period. These lads are exiting the game like it is going out of fashion and nobody is going to take there place.

Up until now this year prices have held as no glut of cattle have arrived at the marts. My own advice to anyone that I knew with stores was start selling during August/September and keep selling while the price held anyway well. It is holding because there is a perceived shortage from now to mid February. But when the cattle flood into the marts from now on prices will come under pressure.

I am not turning on anyone only pointing out the obvious if cattle fall by 50-80c/kg in the factory then it will be reflected in the store price. What is glaring obvious is that if weight limits come back in like in 2013/2014 then this will hit the store price further. Brexit is not the total issue we are looking at the kill being over 30K/week all next year. It will be even worse than that from Aug-November.

It is all very well to carry a few weanling home that you are throwing 1-2kgs of nuts/day to. It is another thing to have 700kg bullock ploughing up fields and giving them 5kg of ration/day. The other choice is house these cattle. If you do you cannot buy replacements. Then they go over age, weight and fat score and Larry penalizes you further. At the end of the day most finishers can do f@@k all about it when the number of cattle rise.

We all hear about the exporters, however they only appear when there is plenty of cattle around that can be bought cheap.What will they pay more than likely about 2.2/kg for coloured weanling's and it will be bulls only. I was annoyed at larger finishers last year. It seems that the factories contrived with these lads to drop the price of cattle for Aug/Sept. These lads taught Larry was there best friend, he f@@ked them over from before Christmas on.

It is up to every farmer to protect his own business. It is well to remember that a farmers only friend is his pocket. I am not turning on suckler farmers I am just not willing to pay the price that is expected for stores at present. If that means that I leave the shed 2/3 empty for the winter that is fine by me. If I make a mistake some other lads will make 100/head profit for wintering them. If some one else wants to finish cattle instead of me that is grand.

I am budgeting for a base of less than 3.5/kg for next summers. That means that Friesians will be only making 3.2/kg in the factory. A 350kg friesian will net me about 1100 euro. A 350kg Hereford will make 1250, a 340kg AA bullock will make 1200. However the real killer will be suckler bred cattle if weight limits come in and you have to slaughter them at an average of 370kgs cont will make about 1370 euro.

Most finishers myself included are selling cattle this year at over 30c/kg less that we expected. That equates to about 120/head on the average animal. Next year we will be back at least that again. So who the f@@k is robbing who.

+1

Muckit · 11-10-2016 06:47PM

TITANIUM. wrote: »

I love the lad's that finish cattle immediately turn on the suckler guy when things aren't looking good. "You should take/lose more money on those animals so I can make some money on them." why don't you make more noise about who you sell your cattle to not giving enough rather than expect the man who carries most of the risk and most of the workload to pick up the tab.If you don't want to buy them for what there worth then don't. Whenever I go to the mart and there's no serious buyers there I end up bringing animals home because I refuse to just give them away at a loss.
I'm not so naive as to think that falling factory prices won't knock the weanling or store trade but there's always a market for high quality animals (around here anyway) and that's what I try to produce.

If I don't get enough I don't sell. If only more finishers did the same.

+1 on the brexit issue. Tough times ahead for beef.

No need to take things so personally. The reality is that if the finisher isn't getting on well at factory, then where is the money going to come from to pay top dollar for weanlings he's buying back in? The weanling producer will have to feel some pain too. Ive heard the stories of suckler farmers crying CRYING in Tuam mart. I feel for them, but can they blame the buyers?

They are your animals. You are well entitled to bring your cattle home. But what then? As l have said before, perhaps it could be the answer and finish yourself. See the reality.

I hear stories of lads increasing suckler cow numbers. Increasing. More cows. Bad weather and poor prices. But no ....'I'm getting more cows. And did l tell you I've in for TAMS and a new shed be God. The price of steel is gone to hell!'

I paid good money for weanlings last back end. I only bought the bare minimum though. I could foretell the sh*t was going ro hit the fan. And sure enough. I'II break even at best on them when l factory them next June.

theaceofspies · 11-10-2016 07:12PM

Muckit wrote: »

No need to take things so personally. The reality is that if the finisher isn't getting on well at factory, then where is the money going to come from to pay top dollar for weanlings he's buying back in? The weanling producer will have to feel some pain too. Ive heard the stories of suckler farmers crying CRYING in Tuam mart. I feel for them, but can they blame the buyers?

They are your animals. You are well entitled to bring your cattle home. But what then? As l have said before, perhaps it could be the answer and finish yourself. See the reality.

I hear stories of lads increasing suckler cow numbers. Increasing. More cows. Bad weather and poor prices. But no ....'I'm getting more cows. And did l tell you I've in for TAMS and a new shed be God. The price of steel is gone to hell!'

I paid good money for weanlings last back end. I only bought the bare minimum though. I could foretell the sh*t was going ro hit the fan. And sure enough. I'II break even at best on them when l factory them next June.

Enough is enough. I feel for those men crying in the mart - I really do and I have been there but I can afford it fortunately. Those men though have to question the IFA, FF, FG and all the other parasites who come to the door looking for favours when the time comes. Larry Goodman is lapping all this Brexit bull**** up to cut prices down. People have got to understand that their vote counts whether it being 'subcribing' to a sell-out farmers union or political parties that have more in common with King George's coronation at the turn of the 1900's than today. The chicken is home to roost now and the only cock crowing is ABP. Farmer vs farmer is manna from heaven for the beef processors. Think of all the FG and FF euro ministers now in Brussels and their 'power' to stop the Goodman Empire expanding. Tough times are here and people have to start being ruthless when the snake comes to the door.

Welding Rod · 11-10-2016 07:23PM

Muckit wrote: »

TITANIUM. wrote: »

I love the lad's that finish cattle immediately turn on the suckler guy when things aren't looking good. "You should take/lose more money on those animals so I can make some money on them." why don't you make more noise about who you sell your cattle to not giving enough rather than expect the man who carries most of the risk and most of the workload to pick up the tab.If you don't want to buy them for what there worth then don't. Whenever I go to the mart and there's no serious buyers there I end up bringing animals home because I refuse to just give them away at a loss.
I'm not so naive as to think that falling factory prices won't knock the weanling or store trade but there's always a market for high quality animals (around here anyway) and that's what I try to produce.

If I don't get enough I don't sell. If only more finishers did the same.

+1 on the brexit issue. Tough times ahead for beef.

No need to take things so personally. The reality is that if the finisher isn't getting on well at factory, then where is the money going to come from to pay top dollar for weanlings he's buying back in? The weanling producer will have to feel some pain too. Ive heard the stories of suckler farmers crying CRYING in Tuam mart. I feel for them, but can they blame the buyers?

They are your animals. You are well entitled to bring your cattle home. But what then? As l have said before, perhaps it could be the answer and finish yourself. See the reality.

I hear stories of lads increasing suckler cow numbers. Increasing. More cows. Bad weather and poor prices. But no ....'I'm getting more cows. And did l tell you I've in for TAMS and a new shed be God. The price of steel is gone to hell!'

I paid good money for weanlings last back end. I only bought the bare minimum though. I could foretell the sh*t was going ro hit the fan. And sure enough. I'II break even at best on them when l factory them next June.

Yes. You are correct. As I said a few posts back it's the price paid by Larry which is the enabler for the finisher to buy in his stock. So the buck passes down the chain.
I'm one of the fellas who increased cow numbers!! Why? At the end of the day you need a certain volume of output even at a reasonably good weanling price to cover the overheads and leave a few shillings for your sweat.
I've come to realise that I'd be better off with absolutely MINIMUM expense, one single cut of silage, and cows enough to live on that amount of silage alone.

theaceofspies · 11-10-2016 07:34PM

Yet more proof of the ineffectiveness of the IFA lies in todays budget. They couldn't even get extra funding for ANC 'going forward' which was probably the proposal that they were pushing most in the last 3 months.
Yet Horse Racing Ireland gets an increase of €6 million on their allocation from last year; 90% of which will go into the pockets of Coolmore, JP McManus, Michael O'Leary et al via prizemoney.

Bass Reeves · 11-10-2016 07:36PM

Welding Rod wrote: »

Yes. You are correct. As I said a few posts back it's the price paid by Larry which is the enabler for the finisher to buy in his stock. So the buck passes down the chain.
I'm one of the fellas who increased cow numbers!! Why? At the end of the day you need a certain volume of output even at a reasonably good weanling price to cover the overheads and leave a few shillings for your sweat.
I've come to realise that I'd be better off with absolutely MINIMUM expense, one single cut of silage, and cows enough to live on that amount of silage alone.

Most of us have gone through the scale issue. We have all learned the hard way that scale is not the answer to low prices. It is a case of maximize the output off grass and reduce all other costs. Adding scale using fertlizer and ration is a loser in the beef game

theaceofspies · 11-10-2016 07:43PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Most of us have gone through the scale issue. We have all learned the hard way that scale is not the answer to low prices. It is a case of maximize the output off grass and reduce all other costs. Adding scale using fertlizer and ration is a loser in the beef game

Agreed. That principle was always a winner until now. This year is prooving that even with low costs and max. grass output that break-even is out of reach. What about the people out there with bank loans and/or renting land - they are paying for the privilege of going to work.

leg wax · 11-10-2016 07:51PM

anyone watching the sale in roscommon mart now http://myipstream.com/mart.html

Muckit · 11-10-2016 08:23PM

Good man legs. I should have been the one posting that link. Cattle are on the market from the get go.

You want quality cattle in roscommon. And look at the prices. It's market price.

Water John · 11-10-2016 08:31PM

Thanks lads. Better than Gogglebox.

Muckit · 11-10-2016 08:31PM

Anyone die of a heart attack?? Didn't see any bad cattle yet, only bad prices.

Muckit · 11-10-2016 08:48PM

God its going on late. You'd think it'd be all 'ounged' by now

Salrub · 11-10-2016 08:50PM

Muckit wrote: »

God its going on late. You'd think it'd be all 'ounged' by now

Be great if every mart had this. Be able to keep an eye on lads at it!!

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