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Bass Reeves · 23-09-2016 10:54PM

degetme wrote: »

just looking back on last years lot. average weight 558.5kg
price 1.715kg

So they averages about 950 @ 558kgs last year. The heat is going out of the store market at present. Two reasons finished cattle are back 20+c/kg all year long that is 70+/head on steers. Winter finishers got badly burnt last year and are not filling sheds this year. Cattle are coming off grass lighter so it is likely you cattle will be back 20-40kgs off last years weight.

Last year lads were expecting a base 4.2/Kg from Christmas on, your stores at nearly 560kgs would have been ideal if bought in early October. Put straight on to 4kg+ good silage and then 8-10kgs+silage for last 70 days by end of January they would be hitting or over 680kgs. Killing 340kgs they were expected to make 1380+. Instead they were 3.9 and only came into less than 1300 euro. The 80 yoyo's was the profit margin

whelan2 · 24-09-2016 08:28AM

leg wax wrote: »

next door had 12 culls straight out of parlour pure skin and bone 360 average, i had 1 dry 6 weeks and on meal 580kgs 840,,any big frames of cows going over 800 easy with a bit of cover.

They must have been fairly bad to get that price. I am bringing 1 br/fr good cover on her, straight out of parlour

dh1985 · 24-09-2016 02:12PM

Does anyone know why 250-300kg continental weanlings are making almost as much as 400kgs weanlings. Is it just a price limit for lads buying that they don't want to exceed or is there something else?

Bass Reeves · 24-09-2016 02:23PM

dh1985 wrote: »

Does anyone know why 250-300kg continental weanlings are making almost as much as 400kgs weanlings. Is it just a price limit for lads buying that they don't want to exceed or is there something else?

Lot of lads buying cattle for steers prefer to buy a lighter animal for to squeeze. Also they are easier kept over the winter. A 280kg animal will be 400ish at the most next March so easier left off to grass as well. A 420 kg bull could be a 530kg bullock next April

MIKEKC · 25-09-2016 06:14PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Lot of lads buying cattle for steers prefer to buy a lighter animal for to squeeze. Also they are easier kept over the winter. A 280kg animal will be 400ish at the most next March so easier left off to grass as well. A 420 kg bull could be a 530kg bullock next April

Hard to see 120 kg weight gain by March

Bass Reeves · 25-09-2016 09:36PM

MIKEKC wrote: »

Hard to see 120 kg weight gain by March

Lighter cattle like that can really thrive from now to middle of march is 165 days so an average gain of 0.7kgs/day. This is not exceptional gain for young cattle that are of good continental breeding.

MIKEKC · 26-09-2016 09:07PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Lighter cattle like that can really thrive from now to middle of march is 165 days so an average gain of 0.7kgs/day. This is not exceptional gain for young cattle that are of good continental breeding.

Cost about e200 to winter would it be as cheep to buy in spring? What would Fresians gain 2 kg meal and silage from November to end February?

Irish Beef · 27-09-2016 06:42AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Lot of lads buying cattle for steers prefer to buy a lighter animal for to squeeze. Also they are easier kept over the winter. A 280kg animal will be 400ish at the most next March so easier left off to grass as well. A 420 kg bull could be a 530kg bullock next April

Surly for the same money you'd rather have the 530Kg bullock next march and you could finish him a lot earlier as opposed to possibly keeping the lighter animal another winter.

I said · 27-09-2016 07:07AM

Irish Beef wrote: »

Surly for the same money you'd rather have the 530Kg bullock next march and you could finish him a lot earlier as opposed to possibly keeping the lighter animal another winter.

Yeah but where is the hardship in that

Bass Reeves · 27-09-2016 07:18AM

Irish Beef wrote: »

Surly for the same money you'd rather have the 530Kg bullock next march and you could finish him a lot earlier as opposed to possibly keeping the lighter animal another winter.

If I am buying stores I try to get as much weight as possible for the cheapest euro/kg. However I was just explaining the reason why lighter weanling suckler bred cattle make more/kg than heavier weanlings. Some l;ads just prefer to deal with lighter cattle over the winter.

Irish Beef · 27-09-2016 07:43AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

If I am buying stores I try to get as much weight as possible for the cheapest euro/kg. However I was just explaining the reason why lighter weanling suckler bred cattle make more/kg than heavier weanlings. Some l;ads just prefer to deal with lighter cattle over the winter.

Fair enough, and hopefully that's the case again this year, as most of my weanlings are on the light side.

Muckit · 27-09-2016 08:00AM

I think with weanlings it all depends how the weight went on. If it came out of a bag, I'm not interested. Cattle like that only go backwards after being bought unless you're going to keep feeding them, which l wouldn't be doing.

I'd prefer to buy a good honest store than a heavy weanling.

sonnybill · 27-09-2016 10:53PM

any specialist weanling sales on yet? 300- 300kg charolais yellows good ends, wide hairy , ai weanlings.. what they making?

charolais0153 · 28-09-2016 06:57AM

Too much ;)8-900 I'd say maybe

Welding Rod · 28-09-2016 07:28AM

sonnybill wrote: »

any specialist weanling sales on yet? 300- 300kg charolais yellows good ends, wide hairy , ai weanlings.. what they making?

850 to 900 for a cracker.

croot · 28-09-2016 09:00AM

sonnybill wrote: »

any specialist weanling sales on yet? 300- 300kg charolais yellows good ends, wide hairy , ai weanlings.. what they making?

According to the Farming Indo you should give them away because bad times are a coming.

I think every farmer knows there will be a glut but seriously every second week the bucking front page headline is pretty much "THE END IS NIGH".

I wonder is the editor or someone belonging to him trying to fill his sheds????

Bass Reeves · 28-09-2016 09:30AM

croot wrote: »

According to the Farming Indo you should give them away because bad times are a coming.

I think every farmer knows there will be a glut but seriously every second week the bucking front page headline is pretty much "THE END IS NIGH".

I wonder is the editor or someone belonging to him trying to fill his sheds????

No just warning lads of what is down the road. At present we are at a base of 3.7/kg DW for factory cattle That is 20-30c/kg lower than last years prices or nearly 100 euro/head. there are at least 100K more cattle to be killed next year compared to present year. That is 2K cattle/week. Take it as a given that factory prices will tumble another 30-40c/KG next year.

I think winter finishing prices may be a bit strong than last year. But lads that finish cattle will again lose there shirts. Very few filling sheds for thsi winter even with cheap grain prices. Take it as a given that next year kill will be up 3K/week for a good part of the year. History tells us that when this happens factory prices drop. Present store price being underpinned by processosr filling there own feedlots and lower stock farmers taht have grass buying cattle to eat it out. However when they finish buying in another 2-3 weeks I fear for the mart trade. Also no glut of cattle going throuh marts yet.

Welding Rod · 28-09-2016 10:06AM

Ah, same auld bull pooh every back end. Everything and anything from all quarters to make the suckler producer give away his calves.
Definitely the trade is cooler than last fall but good quality stock are still doing fairly ok.
The subsidy money starting to flow from now on will put another bit of jizz in the trade I expect. Rightly so, as producing good calves is no walk in the park.

Bass Reeves · 28-09-2016 10:19AM

Welding Rod wrote: »

Ah, same auld bull pooh every back end. Everything and anything from all quarters to make the suckler producer give away his calves.
Definitely the trade is cooler than last fall but good quality stock are still doing fairly ok.
The subsidy money starting to flow from now on will put another bit of jizz in the trade I expect. Rightly so, as producing good calves is no walk in the park.

I totally agree about producing good calves is no walk in the park. But neither si finishing cattle. Capital tied up is crazy. I am serious a lot of finishers are unwilling to stock sheds this year. Last year I fed nearly 40 cattle for finishing, this year I have put 9 in and that is it they will get fed silage anf 4-6kgs and can finish when they finish.

kk.man · 28-09-2016 11:06AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

No just warning lads of what is down the road. At present we are at a base of 3.7/kg DW for factory cattle That is 20-30c/kg lower than last years prices or nearly 100 euro/head. there are at least 100K more cattle to be killed next year compared to present year. That is 2K cattle/week. Take it as a given that factory prices will tumble another 30-40c/KG next year.

I think winter finishing prices may be a bit strong than last year. But lads that finish cattle will again lose there shirts. Very few filling sheds for thsi winter even with cheap grain prices. Take it as a given that next year kill will be up 3K/week for a good part of the year. History tells us that when this happens factory prices drop. Present store price being underpinned by processosr filling there own feedlots and lower stock farmers taht have grass buying cattle to eat it out. However when they finish buying in another 2-3 weeks I fear for the mart trade. Also no glut of cattle going throuh marts yet.

I total agree with BASS here...Mart Cattle have dropped a lot more than reported simply because Finished cattle have dropped...these are serious times...I am not a factory media spinner...Just sold a few store cattle I bought in the spring and they lost money...so suckler people if you think prices should hold up for you take your head out of the sand...I always said once the kill goes north of 30k per week the finisher is in trouble...the factories never loose.

eoinmk2 · 28-09-2016 10:18PM

Anyone know what in calf cows are making at the moment? Mostly Black Angus/limousine cross type, big and square, not out of Friesians. Back in calf to lm bull. Is the mart the best place to go with them?

Willfarman · 28-09-2016 10:18PM

kk.man wrote: »

I total agree with BASS here...Mart Cattle have dropped a lot more than reported simply because Finished cattle have dropped...these are serious times...I am not a factory media spinner...Just sold a few store cattle I bought in the spring and they lost money...so suckler people if you think prices should hold up for you take your head out of the sand...I always said once the kill goes north of 30k per week the finisher is in trouble...the factories never loose.

Did the cattle you sold actually sell for less than you gave for them?

sonnybill · 28-09-2016 11:49PM

kk.man wrote: »

I total agree with BASS here...Mart Cattle have dropped a lot more than reported simply because Finished cattle have dropped...these are serious times...I am not a factory media spinner...Just sold a few store cattle I bought in the spring and they lost money...so suckler people if you think prices should hold up for you take your head out of the sand...I always said once the kill goes north of 30k per week the finisher is in trouble...the factories never loose.

Yeah it's a given when the end product / finished animal is back then it filters down the line!

Silage 250
Ai 40
Dosing/ boluses 40
Tb test E15
Concentrates 30
Creep calf 30
Scanning 5
Fertiliser
Rent
Interest on borrowed money
Diesel
Machinery
I've no slurry

Knock my figures if you wish but The E700 euro figure quoted to keep a suckler cow for 365 days is not that far off.

You'd need e900 average across the board for the cows to pay their way. I accept that the next man had to live too and all that just stating our costs

50HX · 29-09-2016 07:33AM

240kg CH heifer 6mnth old - 540euro

2 x lm heifers 6mths old 190kg made 520e

that was in 2 marts that i dropped into in the last week

defo on the slide

surprised whoever had the CH let her go at that - she waas lovely and square - a steal ai thought

whelan2 · 29-09-2016 09:52AM

50HX wrote: »

240kg CH heifer 6mnth old - 540euro

2 x lm heifers 6mths old 190kg made 520e

that was in 2 marts that i dropped into in the last week

defo on the slide

surprised whoever had the CH let her go at that - she waas lovely and square - a steal ai thought

Was in Ardee mart on Tuesday, prices have dropped alot and as 1 lad said whats the point in bringing them home as land is now wet and he could get less for them in a few weeks

theaceofspies · 29-09-2016 10:39AM

ABP et al have now branched into the Entertainment business, namely comedy.

Have a read of this:
http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/irish-beef-output-can-increase-by-e500m-meat-industry/

They really take fellas for fools.

sonnybill · 29-09-2016 10:46AM

50HX wrote: »

240kg CH heifer 6mnth old - 540euro

2 x lm heifers 6mths old 190kg made 520e

that was in 2 marts that i dropped into in the last week

defo on the slide

surprised whoever had the CH let her go at that - she waas lovely and square - a steal ai thought

Those 3 cows didn't pay their way for the year!

tanko · 29-09-2016 11:00AM

theaceofspies wrote: »

ABP et al have now branched into the Entertainment business, namely comedy.

Have a read of this:
http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/irish-beef-output-can-increase-by-e500m-meat-industry/

They really take fellas for fools.

That's the funniest thing I've read for a while, he forgot to say how many horses they need next year.

Farrell · 29-09-2016 05:09PM

50HX wrote: »

240kg CH heifer 6mnth old - 540euro

2 x lm heifers 6mths old 190kg made 520e

that was in 2 marts that i dropped into in the last week

defo on the slide

surprised whoever had the CH let her go at that - she waas lovely and square - a steal ai thought

Say bills were calling, & just take what you can get

Buford T. Justice XIX · 29-09-2016 06:17PM

Farrell wrote: »

Say bills were calling, & just take what you can get

There's going to be a lot of that happening this Autumn, I'd say.

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