Upcoming DC Extended Universe (DCEU) Movies

Hb6g6 · 23-08-2016 1:31pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

I'm a big fan of both companies in general, but Iron Man took nearly 4 times its budget. That's a humongous return on investment compared to the DC films, and when it comes to funding, that's what counts, and if questions are being asked in Warner that's what they will be focused on.

That said the immediate follow up for marvel- Hulk- did nothing like that, and people weren't up in arms, so your point still stands

I also agree fanboyism is getting kinda tired. I just want excellent films featuring these characters I've loved since I was young!

Iron man from 2008 returned 4 times its production budget but that does not include marketing cost so its unclear how much profit the film really made.

It wasn't until Avengers that Marvel started to kick off to the amazing heights the franchise has reached.

Marvel is 8 years and 13 films deep into the marvel franchise while DC is only beginning. Fans have to stop treating it has a competition between both companies and fighting with one another and be happy that we have so many movies that are dedicated to both franchises

Doctor DooM · 23-08-2016 2:26pm

Hb6g6 wrote: »

Iron man from 2008 returned 4 times its production budget but that does not include marketing cost so its unclear how much profit the film really made.

It wasn't until Avengers that Marvel started to kick off to the amazing heights the franchise has reached.

Marvel is 8 years and 13 films deep into the marvel franchise while DC is only beginning. Fans have to stop treating it has a competition between both companies and fighting with one another and be happy that we have so many movies that are dedicated to both franchises

Nah, sorry. That's the equivalent of "just turn your brain off".

I think BvS is very boring: I will not just be happy it's there.

This does not mean I wish to gloat like a Marvel fanboy: I want my DC films to be successful, to propagate and continue, and most importantly, to be good

Penn · 23-08-2016 2:31pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Nah, sorry. That's the equivalent of "just turn your brain off".

I think BvS is very boring: I will not just be happy it's there.

This does not mean I wish to gloat like a Marvel fanboy: I want my DC films to be successful, to propagate and continue, and most importantly, to be good

Agreed. I'd much rather the Batman V Superman we got was better than just be happy we got one at all, because it's worse when it doesn't live up to (realistic) expectations.

Hb6g6 · 23-08-2016 2:42pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Nah, sorry. That's the equivalent of "just turn your brain off".

I think BvS is very boring: I will not just be happy it's there.

This does not mean I wish to gloat like a Marvel fanboy: I want my DC films to be successful, to propagate and continue, and most importantly, to be good

All I'm saying is when fans talk about how much a Marvel movie makes in comparison to a DC movie the comparison isn't really fair as Marvel has had 8 years and 13 movies to build up its audience.

I haven't said anything about the quality of either franchise's movies

Nervous Wreck · 23-08-2016 4:07pm

Hb6g6 wrote: »

All I'm saying is when fans talk about how much a Marvel movie makes in comparison to a DC movie the comparison isn't really fair as Marvel has had 8 years and 13 movies to build up its audience.

I haven't said anything about the quality of either franchise's movies

That doesn't hold up too well for me tbh. Marvel have laid a solid groundwork that DC should be able to capitalise on. And they have been, to an extent. The popularity of superhero movies (Marvel & otherwise) has led to DCEU movies having huge opening weekends. Their lack of quality has led to huge drop-offs.

Marvel has certainly had loads of time to build their world but that doesn't mean DC has to 'catch up' with their world-building. That's a logical fallacy that WB has fallen into and it's the exact thinking that's preventing them from putting out solid standalone works.

Doctor DooM · 23-08-2016 7:25pm

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

That doesn't hold up too well for me tbh. Marvel have laid a solid groundwork that DC should be able to capitalise on. And they have been, to an extent. The popularity of superhero movies (Marvel & otherwise) has led to DCEU movies having huge opening weekends. Their lack of quality has led to huge drop-offs.

Marvel has certainly had loads of time to build their world but that doesn't mean DC has to 'catch up' with their world-building. That's a logical fallacy that WB has fallen into and it's the exact thinking that's preventing them from putting out solid standalone works.

Yeah, I think DC movies should simply be concentrating on making good movies right now.

Ben Gadot · 23-08-2016 8:58pm

Suicide Squad has topped the box office 3 weekends in a row and last I checked, is on course for 650 million worldwide.

"Huge drop offs" or not that's a brilliant achievement all things considered (secondary characters as the stars, critically eviscerated, accusations of sexism, an actor breaking ranks, etc.....). Surpassing a billion or getting close to it seems to be the tentpole decided by many people and that is crazy to me.

How many blockbusters are going to break that number or get anywhere near it? According to Google, BvS' BO take was 872m in US Dollars, but you'd have people actually arguing that's a failure. It's only a failure in comparison to WB's own lofty hopes. In all other considerations it's a resounding success.

It's actually funny because imagine what an actually well received WB/DC film could make if critical flops like BvS and SS are taking in that much money.

Nervous Wreck · 23-08-2016 9:10pm

In fairness, SS had practically no competition in August. It made a shîtload of money but had a huge budget, which lessened to actual profit - now that's only a problem for WB and I'm not using that to diminish the amount it's made. What I'm saying is Suicide Squad didn't need a budget nearly as big as it got. I think it would have been better off with a smaller budget. I also agree that the financial expectations on movies in general, but particularly superhero movies, is out of line.

Some things that WB is actually gonna do well out of, against all odds, is the order/timing of the movies:

Man of Steel - a Superman movie that looked badass
BvS - it had Batman AND Superman. Couldn't fail, financially
Suicide Squad - no competition in the box office
Wonder Woman - first female fronted superhero movie in decades (Catwoman is too shît to count) so it WILL be a success
Justice League - more Batman and will get extra steam from the success of WW

They could and should have done it better but those things aligned reasonably well for them.

Doctor DooM · 24-08-2016 9:24am

Do people generally agree the reviews of SS were far too harsh? I genuinely did enjoy it far more than the other two DC films despite it having problems.

I really like the idea of Affleck being this big deus ex batima that shows up briefly in other films like the big scary, almost mythical figure the character is supposed to behave like.

Brief_Lives · 24-08-2016 9:34am

I liked a lot of Suicide Squad... The baddie was a supreme let down, as was the final edit, as some of the Joker/Harley scenes disappeared and made the film a little disjointed... especially her about turn to help the team at the end..
But mostly I thought the film let itself down with the baddie, the baddie's brother... that gyrating mess of uselessness had me rolling my eyes.. And DC are known for having decent bad guys...

Hb6g6 · 24-08-2016 9:37am

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Do people generally agree the reviews of SS were far too harsh? I genuinely did enjoy it far more than the other two DC films despite it having problems.

I really like the idea of Affleck being this big deus ex batima that shows up briefly in other films like the big scary, almost mythical figure the character is supposed to behave like.

I watched it without knowing any of the reviews and I really liked it, I thought it was a very enjoyable movie, better than most tentpole films I've seen this year. The reviews shocked the hell out of me because the movie I saw wasn't a bad movie

pixelburp · 24-08-2016 9:51am

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Do people generally agree the reviews of SS were far too harsh? I genuinely did enjoy it far more than the other two DC films despite it having problems.

I really like the idea of Affleck being this big deus ex batima that shows up briefly in other films like the big scary, almost mythical figure the character is supposed to behave like.

You can argue the value of hyperbole 'til the early hours & how OTT reviews went, but I agreed with their base assessment; that the movie was a total mess & felt like a after-the-fact patch job on a completely different film, by people who didn't know what they were doing. It was a bit more enjoyable than BvS sure, but that was a terrible film applying different metrics of terribleness.

Doctor DooM · 24-08-2016 10:33am

pixelburp wrote: »

You can argue the value of hyperbole 'til the early hours & how OTT reviews went, but I agreed with their base assessment; that the movie was a total mess & felt like a after-the-fact patch job on a completely different film, by people who didn't know what they were doing. It was a bit more enjoyable than BvS sure, but that was a terrible film applying different metrics of terribleness.

I honestly thought it was an order of magnitude better. It was obviously hacked to pieces and I get the feeling the bits I really enjoyed (the bar scene, Harley's little moment sitting on top of the car) were all Ayer's work. I don't feel "As bad as Fant4stic" or any of that malarky was justified at all.

I'd love to see the original cut, I think there'd be loads to learn from comparing the two.

FunLover18 · 24-08-2016 10:37am

pixelburp wrote:

You can argue the value of hyperbole 'til the early hours & how OTT reviews went, but I agreed with their base assessment; that the movie was a total mess & felt like a after-the-fact patch job on a completely different film, by people who didn't know what they were doing. It was a bit more enjoyable than BvS sure, but that was a terrible film applying different metrics of terribleness.

Agree with this.

Will Smith and Robbie put in good performances but their characters, like all the characters in the film, were badly written with little to no motivations (that includes the villain) and the overall plot doesn't do much either to explain why certain characters are even there. The action I thought was boring with a climax only a small step above that of Fantastic Four. Definitely more enjoyable than BvS but for me that also comes down to the fact it was shorter but unlike BvS I do believe they're might be a better film hidden somewhere beneath the horrible edit.

Penn · 24-08-2016 10:41am

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Do people generally agree the reviews of SS were far too harsh? I genuinely did enjoy it far more than the other two DC films despite it having problems.

The reviews probably were too harsh, as were the ones for BvS. The percentages both films got on Rotten Tomatoes were too harsh.

But whereas BvS had huge problems throughout, saved only for some genuinely great moments, SS was just average. Everything about it was average. The acting, the characters, the action scenes, the CGI, the story... everything was either plain ol' average or the bits that were above average almost completely balanced with the bits below average.

SS for me would be a 50% and BvS a 40-45%.

Nervous Wreck · 24-08-2016 11:47am

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Do people generally agree the reviews of SS were far too harsh? I genuinely did enjoy it far more than the other two DC films despite it having problems.

In general, I don't think te critics were harsh enough. They were certainly hyperbolic in their criticisms but I felt that a lot of the big problems the film had were overlooked in many reviews, due to critics giving more column space to comparing the film to Marvel efforts etc. There's so much bad stuff about this movie that has only been given cursory mentions.

Extra annoying because I really want this universe work...

pixelburp wrote: »

You can argue the value of hyperbole 'til the early hours & how OTT reviews went, but I agreed with their base assessment; that the movie was a total mess & felt like a after-the-fact patch job on a completely different film, by people who didn't know what they were doing. It was a bit more enjoyable than BvS sure, but that was a terrible film applying different metrics of terribleness.

I agree with all of this!

Doctor DooM wrote: »

I really like the idea of Affleck being this big deus ex batima that shows up briefly in other films like the big scary, almost mythical figure the character is supposed to behave like.

I also like this. I don't think he's necessary for all films but his inclusion in SS was welcome. Though, the idea of Batman following a small child and their parent down a dark alley is pretty far from what he should be doing, given his origins. It's a small point but I think it was an off moment.

Penn · 24-08-2016 11:58am

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

I also like this. I don't think he's necessary for all films but his inclusion in SS was welcome. Though, the idea of Batman following a small child and their parent down a dark alley is pretty far from what he should be doing, given his origins. It's a small point but I think it was an off moment.

After causing a car with 3-4 henchmen in it to crash, then using the Batmobile to drag their car for a while, then using that car to crush another car with 3-4 henchmen in it, almost certainly killing all of them in one go if the ones in the first car weren't already dead... Him going after Deadshot in front of his daughter... not that big a leap...

Nervous Wreck · 24-08-2016 1:17pm

Penn wrote: »

After causing a car with 3-4 henchmen in it to crash, then using the Batmobile to drag their car for a while, then using that car to crush another car with 3-4 henchmen in it, almost certainly killing all of them in one go if the ones in the first car weren't already dead... Him going after Deadshot in front of his daughter... not that big a leap...

No, not at all! Just the imagery of Batman being the aggressor in a situation that basically parallels the murder of his parents isn't something I thought we'd see!

Doctor DooM · 24-08-2016 10:23pm

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

No, not at all! Just the imagery of Batman being the aggressor in a situation that basically parallels the murder of his parents isn't something I thought we'd see!

I thought the film was trying to convey- badly- this was the one chance the Wall was giving Bats to get him, thus the "I don't want to do this in front of your child" thing. The police were coming regardless (you can hear the sirens in the background) and it would have been a bloodbath otherwise.

Agent Coulson · 25-08-2016 4:59pm

Justice League Dark

Doug Liman to Direct ‘Justice League Dark’ for Warner Bros, DC Entertainment

Doug Liman will direct “Justice League Dark” for DC Entertainment and Warner Bros., an individual with knowledge of the project told TheWrap.

Scott Rudin is producing the project. Michael Gilio is writing the script.

The story follows a dark Justice League team consisting of Det. John Constantine, Swamp Thing, Deadman, Zatanna and Etrigan the Demon. Plot details are being kept under wraps.

http://www.thewrap.com/doug-liman-to-direct-justice-league-dark-for-warner-bros-dc-entertainment/

Nervous Wreck · 25-08-2016 5:19pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

I thought the film was trying to convey- badly- this was the one chance the Wall was giving Bats to get him, thus the "I don't want to do this in front of your child" thing. The police were coming regardless (you can hear the sirens in the background) and it would have been a bloodbath otherwise.

What I mean is, irrespective of the narrative put around it, the creative decision to have Batman in basically the same situation that led to his parents' death as the aggressor was a really weird one that Ayer probably didn't consider the context of. It's not a big deal, just a 'lol, ya didn't?!' type moment...

Nervous Wreck · 25-08-2016 5:21pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Justice League Dark

Doug Liman to Direct ‘Justice League Dark’ for Warner Bros, DC Entertainment

http://www.thewrap.com/doug-liman-to-direct-justice-league-dark-for-warner-bros-dc-entertainment/

Given the great success they've had introducing loads of characters in one film so far, this seems like a greaaaat idea.

Agent Coulson · 25-08-2016 5:28pm

I like Liman as a director and think he could handle it but now I wonder what is happening with the Gambit film he was going to direct.

Slydice · 25-08-2016 6:27pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I like Liman as a director and think he could handle it but now I wonder what is happening with the Gambit film he was going to direct.

he does look like he has form alright:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Liman#Filmography

Ben Gadot · 26-08-2016 8:54am

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Justice League Dark

Doug Liman to Direct ‘Justice League Dark’ for Warner Bros, DC Entertainment

http://www.thewrap.com/doug-liman-to-direct-justice-league-dark-for-warner-bros-dc-entertainment/

An interesting concept but it's hard to get excited about.

Announcing the likes of this and MOS2 just seems so random. They need to start worrying about delivering on what's already on the slate instead of diluting things further.

Brief_Lives · 26-08-2016 9:42am

whats not to like..?

WB are a big enough studio to get loads of projects off the ground.. they just have to improve the storytelling quality..
I'm a massive fan of the 2005 Keanu film, Constantine.. great to see him back on screen..

Mickeroo · 26-08-2016 9:51am

Normally I'd be delighted with that announcement but it's hard to get excited after the last three films for me. Still, Doug Liman has made some very good films and he's established enough that he'd be let do his own thing I would hope.

Nervous Wreck · 26-08-2016 6:05pm

Ben Gadot wrote: »

An interesting concept but it's hard to get excited about.

Announcing the likes of this and MOS2 just seems so random. They need to start worrying about delivering on what's already on the slate instead of diluting things further.

This. Why are they planning these random movies so far out without having one good film yet?!

Mickeroo wrote: »

Normally I'd be delighted with that announcement but it's hard to get excited after the last three films for me. Still, Doug Liman has made some very good films and he's established enough that he'd be let do his own thing I would hope.

Edge of Tomorrow is easily one of the best sci-if films of the last decade so I agree about Liman anyway.

Doctor DooM · 28-08-2016 10:51am

Brief_Lives wrote: »

whats not to like..?

WB are a big enough studio to get loads of projects off the ground.. they just have to improve the storytelling quality..
I'm a massive fan of the 2005 Keanu film, Constantine.. great to see him back on screen..

I'm a massive fan of the Transformers, and I don't get excited (or at this point, even bother watching) by Transformers films because the quality is so poor. The only thing that would bring my interest back is a change in director, and probably a hard reboot.

Man of Steel was poor-ish, to me, BvS was absolutely awful, why should I give them money for a third one?

I've always had a soft spot for JL dark so along with that director that's good news.

IncognitoMan · 29-08-2016 4:01pm

Ben Affleck posted this to his Facebook page. Looks like we're getting big screen

Deathstroke

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/ben-affleck-shares-video-seemingly-featuring-our-first-awesome-look-at-a144874

Upcoming DC Extended Universe (DCEU) Movies

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