Tour de France Stage 12: Montpellier-Mt.Ventoux 184KM Spoilers

Pudsy33 · 14-07-2016 11:27PM

If Yates or Martin had have been hit while they chased, would they have gotten the time they had at the accident? Of course not. There lies my issue with the decision. Wipe it all off or stick to the result.

fishfoodie · 14-07-2016 11:31PM

Pudsy33 wrote: »

As Cosmo Catalano said on twitter. Either the race was fair for all, or not. All gaps stand, or stage neutralised. Can't have a jury inventing hypothetical finishing times.

Completely agree !!

The ASO put its hands on the scales today, & made a ruling that will mean that the results of the Tour won't be decided just by the riders on the road. If they wanted to do that, they should have at least picked a milestone on the route, like the last summit, or the base of the final climb, & not just an arbitrary place so they could manipulate the top 10.

We all know that if Froome & Sky hadn't been involved, it would have be TS for the riders.

If I were Froome, I'd learn how to take a wiz on the road, because there's a lot of disgruntled teams out there with this decision

Zzippy · 14-07-2016 11:32PM

I can barely walk on level ground in cleats. Froome runs up a friggin' mountain in them...

GT_TDI_150 · 14-07-2016 11:34PM

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

How was Froome just able to get up and run? I cant make 2 threads of a stairs after a bike ride ... No Jello legs for froome after hours on the bike?!

StevieGriff wrote: »

Implying something?

No, not at all actually ... Just an observation, I know triatlethes are able to go straight to running just didnt expect a cyclist to do it.

StevieGriff · 14-07-2016 11:42PM

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

No, not at all actually ... Just an observation, I know triatlethes are able to go straight to running just didnt expect a cyclist to do it.

I think it speaks volumes of how competitive Froome is (and probably a little bit tapped in the head) No diva antics of chucking his bike around and throwing a strop, just got on with getting to the line asap.

terrydel · 14-07-2016 11:43PM

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

No, not at all actually ... Just an observation, I know triatlethes are able to go straight to running just didnt expect a cyclist to do it.

Jaysus its not that hard, if you had to do it you would. Its not olympic gymnastics.

cunavalos · 15-07-2016 12:07AM

I think the official reasoning as to why elimination further penalties were not considered was due to interpretation of the UCI regulation.

The excerpt from the UCI 2016 rulebook is below

It could be argued that the placement of the comma could lead to an interpretation along the lines of "Wilful deviation from the course and/or a wilful attempt to be placed......"

It could easily be argued that this was not a wilful attempt by Froome at covering the entire course by bicycle and the sanction does not apply

CramCycle · 15-07-2016 12:37AM

Darkglasses wrote: »

Aside from the discussion of whether they would have changed the times for Quintana/Yates, I definitely think it was the right thing to do. Losing so much because of a fan/moto collision is not how I want the biggest race to be decided.

I think they should have just called it at the time of the crash. You would have arguments but TV tracking coupled with the GPS and they would not have been far out. Everyone loses equally.

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

My ask about penalties was due to the fact he kept running even without the bike ... He could have waited where he was or 20-30m up the road to prevent blocking the road... he went a few 100ms up the road. the rule posted earlier today clearly indicates there is a rule against not completing the entire race on a bike.

He seen the crowds, knew the bike was going to take an age if it came at all. Both the comms and neutral service seem to tell him to keep moving, which is why I suspect they are not punishing him, you can see them wave him on a little further up the road.

mhiggy09 · 15-07-2016 12:38AM

I hate when none cycling specific or the like report on these news stories. Always have wrong info. Like this. And earlier I seen somewhere that said bauke mollema won the stage.

GT_TDI_150 · 15-07-2016 01:18AM

CramCycle wrote: »

I think they should have just called it at the time of the crash. You would have arguments but TV tracking coupled with the GPS and they would not have been far out. Everyone loses equally.

He seen the crowds, knew the bike was going to take an age if it came at all. Both the comms and neutral service seem to tell him to keep moving, which is why I suspect they are not punishing him, you can see them wave him on a little further up the road.

Porte in the giro knew his team car was ages away and took the wheel off a orica rider to avoid waiting too long for his own crew ...

Not sure the neutral service waved him on. The lad on the motorbike actually points back to the service car for the bikes.

Look, damage is done imo, as stated earlier there were 2 option let result stand or neutralise the stage. They did neither and came out with a scenario where froome benefits.

Not that it matters because i expect him to do what wiggens did when people were saying froome would beat him if he had free reign, i reckon he'll murder that timetrail tomorrow putting more than the 56s he was off yellow directly after the stage into all his competitors and then some.

Trojan · 15-07-2016 01:31AM

From that link on the service bikes:

Mavic Rep wrote:

“The service course mechanics have done testing with the different pedal ‘options’. The problem is the same no matter what you do,” said Mavic’s Chad Moore. “Wrong clipless pedals are the same problem as with flat pedals. Your feet move everywhere. Pedals with toe straps are impossible to put your foot into. So, there is no perfect solution. The best option is to get on a bike and keep moving until your car can arrive.”

Darkglasses · 15-07-2016 07:10AM

Trojan wrote: »

From that link on the service bikes:

Have three bikes with Look, Shimano and Speed play and dump the useless Time/Mavic pedals that no teams use?

Sundy · 15-07-2016 07:24AM

MrMischief wrote: »

carltonleon wrote: »

Just as well for Dan that the stage was shortened or else he could have lost 3/4 mins.

If the stage wasn't shortened, Movistar/Sky wouldn't have attacked as early and the steeper inclines up to Mont Ventoux would have actually suited Dan so I don't agree! He looked like he was getting back in anyway prior to the crash.....

The latter part of the climb is actually not as steep as the part they completed yesterday so it wouldn't have suited Dan any better.

However the attacks may not have come so early.

carltonleon · 15-07-2016 07:42AM

Any word on Mollema's supposed appeal or was that all hearsay ?

Brendan Filone · 15-07-2016 08:40AM

Missed opportunity for today's tabloids to use the headline:

"DO YOU REALLY VENTOUX HURT ME? Froome urges fans to consider riders' safety"

CantGetNoSleep · 15-07-2016 08:47AM

secman wrote: »

Will the groupset and other parts be up on cycling adverts on boards.ie ?

Probably someone offering them as a swap

gordongekko · 15-07-2016 08:52AM

Brendan Filone wrote: »

Missed opportunity for today's tabloids to use the headline:

"DO YOU REALLY VENTOUX HURT ME? Froome urges fans to consider riders' safety"

Bravo... I tip my hat to you.:D

Lusk_Doyle · 15-07-2016 09:31AM

Brendan Filone wrote: »

Missed opportunity for today's tabloids to use the headline:

"DO YOU REALLY VENTOUX HURT ME? Froome urges fans to consider riders' safety"

Post of the day!!!

GT_TDI_150 · 15-07-2016 09:48AM

carltonleon wrote: »

Any word on Mollema's supposed appeal or was that all hearsay ?

He wasnt very happy on twitter last night anyway.

Asking why every one around him got 'time bonusses'

Rambling Man · 15-07-2016 10:07AM

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

He wasnt very happy on twitter last night anyway.

Asking why every one around him got 'time bonusses'

Link? had a look at his Twitter a/c and couldn't see those comments.

Edit: oh I see, thought you were referring to Froome.

brianomc · 15-07-2016 10:16AM

Quintana got a sticky neutral service bike wheel up the mountain

https://twitter.com/assekevin/status/753720450551836673

godtabh · 15-07-2016 10:18AM

brianomc wrote: »

Quintana got a sticky neutral service bike wheel up the mountain

https://twitter.com/assekevin/status/753720450551836673

Beaten again!

Defo should be thrown out of the race. Or maybe the top four should ride the stage again and ducke it out for actual times. No team mates. Just the top 4

CramCycle · 15-07-2016 10:30AM

brianomc wrote: »

Quintana got a sticky neutral service bike wheel up the mountain

https://twitter.com/assekevin/status/753720450551836673

That has to be a ban or a severe time penalty

gordongekko · 15-07-2016 10:32AM

Did aru get any penalties for his carry on earlier in the stage?

brianomc · 15-07-2016 10:37AM

It's safe to say that the commissaries wish yesterday never happened. So many decisions to make involving all the top riders.

godtabh · 15-07-2016 10:37AM

CramCycle wrote: »

That has to be a ban or a severe time penalty

Clearly knew what he was doing. Best way to clear a crowd (most of the time) is to follow the moto. Or get a tow from it.

I was only half joking about a ban earlier but I think after his time was reset this needs to be looked at but it wont. At this stage just leave it as is

fryup · 15-07-2016 10:39AM

is there a danger the TDF will be cancelled because of what happened last night in Nice??

GT_TDI_150 · 15-07-2016 10:40AM

fryup wrote: »

is there a danger the TDF will be cancelled because of what happened last night in Nice??

The TT is going ahead anyway

gordongekko · 15-07-2016 10:40AM

fryup wrote: »

is there a danger the TDF will be cancelled because of what happened last night in Nice??

No.

There are cyclists racing in the time trial as we speak

Boscoirl · 15-07-2016 10:41AM

So was Dan the only one to lose out yesterday?

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Tour de France Stage 12: Montpellier-Mt.Ventoux 184KM Spoilers