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Cyclist assaulted

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  • #62
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    No, just no. It would be mayhem.

    You think people would actually cede right of way in reality?
    We don't do civic responsibility in this country, people here don't even pick up the sh*te from their own dog here.

    You would think that, then you travel to other countries and think "good god, Ireland is incredibly clean".

    Mixing padestrians and cyclists works elsewhere, it just requires education.


  • #63
    Chiparus
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    He won't get a conviction, might make it difficult for work.


  • #64
    Chuchote
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    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    I wouldn't advise you to do that but depending on the situation it might be understandable. Happens every day in major cities. Someone gets sick of someone elses anti-social behaviour, snaps, a few slaps, nothing serious. A day in court. A fine or whatever. Everyone goes home.

    "A few slaps"? Not anything any civilised person does.

    And when we're talking about antisocial behaviour, we're not necessarily talking about taking a hop on to the pavement in an area that I wouldn't personally call "city centre", a seldom-used street around the corner from the NAMA offices with the woman crawling up the wall.

    Paschal Donohoe, by the way, excluded cycling on the pavement from his recent blitz of fines for cycling offences, on the basis that it would stop parents from cycling to school with kids. I disagree with the Minister — the correct solution is to provide protected cycle lanes where parents can cycle safely with small children. But that's what the Minister said:

    http:// www. independent.ie /irish-news/politics/cyclists-who-use-footpaths-will-not-be-fined-31342974.html
    ted1 wrote: »
    Kids yes, but I don't see why adults need to go on a path. I commute daily into the city centre and have never had to go on a path yet I see plenty that do. If something is blocking your way , go around it.

    Did I read that there were vans blocking the street? I'd normally get off and walk up a blocked street, but probably not Clanwilliam Terrace, which is usually an empty echoing canyon; I'd cycle slowly along the path there, and would be a little surprised to provided with any 'dental injuries' or strangling with my helmet strap in response for doing so.


  • #65
    Jawgap
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    nelbot wrote: »
    I mean dangerous as in potential for serious injury. Of course there are far less accidents outside the city, the ratio of cyclists to motorists is minute in comparison. I was a cycle courier in Dublin for a number of years, the city so dangerous for cyclists. I wouldn't have the nerve to do it now. I walk, drive and cycle, there is no question that cyclists are given the least consideration of any category.
    I have been knocked off the bike on numerous occasions while obeying the rules of the road by both pedestrians and motorists, buses are the worst of all, they just pull in on top of you all the time. Drivers turning left often ignore cyclists, pedestrians step onto the road in front of them all the time, everyone ignores the cycle lanes. Traffic lights have no green lights for bicycles that allow them to start before other traffic. This alone makes traffic lights dangerous especially when larger vehicles are stopped at the lights.
    While I agree there are lots of cyclists causing problems and creating danger, there will never be any middle ground until the anti-cyclist brigade start to accept there are very real and very dangerous grievances suffered by cyclists all the time.

    As I said, 'your mileage may vary' - I cycle a fair bit with a commute that takes in the full range of roads - from rural lanes, R and N road to inside the M50 - I don't find it dangerous or especially hazardous.

    I also have no idea who the 'anti-cyclist brigade' are. Do you have a head office address for them so these grievances I'm supposed to have suffered can be registered?


  • #66
    delta_bravo
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    Was quite saddening to see the general discussion tone on Facebook about this incident ignored the assault and just was a collection of anti cyclist ranting. I presume the cyclist will now pursue a civil suit against this thug and hopefully he cleans him out


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  • #67
    Darkglasses
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    delta_bravo wrote: »
    Was quite saddening to see the general discussion tone on Facebook about this incident ignored the assault and just was a collection of anti cyclist ranting. I presume the cyclist will now pursue a civil suit against this thug and hopefully he cleans him out

    It's strange how a cyclist being involved completely blinds people isn't it. "He shouldn't have assaulted him BUT...."


  • #68
    OleRodrigo
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    An additional fine for awful eyewear would have been appropriate.

    And how does one become a senior executive whilst being fond of dishing out random slaps ?


  • #69
    Calahonda52
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    What is the law re cycling on the footpath anyway?

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • #70
    ThisRegard
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    Calahonda52 wrote: »
    What is the law re cycling on the footpath anyway?

    A beating apparently, as long as the assailant can afford it. It's the city equivalent of those asshole big game hunters.


  • #71
    Tenzor07
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    Whatever about anything else.. just for some contrast..

    A woman was awarded €55,000 for slipping on a patch of yogurt in Tesco..
    A guy punches and strangles someone on the street and the victim gets €3,930


    Irish justice for ya! :mad:


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  • #72
    Jawgap
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    Calahonda52 wrote: »
    What is the law re cycling on the footpath anyway?

    It's an offence punishable by a good slapping which may or may not include a headlock fixed charge penalty of €40 or a trip to the district court.


  • #73
    Darkglasses
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    Calahonda52 wrote: »
    What is the law re cycling on the footpath anyway?

    It's illegal, but it wasn't added onto the list of offenses which you will get a FPN for.

    We have a good thread on that kind of thing here - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=88726862


  • #74
    Hrududu
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    I cycle this route every day and every morning there will be cyclists that will go on the path, presumably to avoid the cobbles. I can understand people being pissed off at cyclists on the path. But this wasn't just a shove, he punched, kicked and strangled the guy. The judge pointed out that he had seen the cyclist coming and had time to get out of the way. So it's not like the cyclist caught him on the hop and he reacted instinctively.

    I don't like the idea that you can pay a little money and walk away from something like that. Your average person doesn't react with that level of violence to something so small. I doubt it's the first or last time yer man will lose the head and hurt someone


  • #75
    Eamonnator
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    Jawgap wrote: »
    It's an offence punishable by a good slapping which may or may not include a headlock fixed charge penalty of €40 or a trip to the district court.

    Sounds good, but cycling on a footpath isn't included in the the fixed charge penalty scheme.
    Back to a good slapping so, I'm afraid.


  • #76
    Jawgap
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    Eamonnator wrote: »
    Sounds good, but cycling on a footpath isn't included in the the fixed charge penalty scheme.
    Back to a good slapping so, I'm afraid.

    True, but maybe "driving a pedal cycle without reasonable consideration"?

    Failing that, a simple bitch slap, without the attempted strangulation should be sufficient :)


  • #77
    Eamonnator
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    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Just a little bit of fisticuffs i'm sure. There are cyclists that go around Dublin like it is Saigon. The behaviour of a lot of them shows a total disregard for everyone around them. Inevitable that someone will snap once in a while. Maybe the man was barged off the path once too often. Understandable really.

    Understandable, perhaps, if the culprit was barged off the path once too often by the victim in this case. Is there any evidence, that this is what happened in this instance??


  • #78
    magicbastarder
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    Weepsie wrote: »
    Some eejit on broadsheet
    oddly enough for broadsheet, it didn't turn into the usual 'cyclists are assholes' free for all.
    yer man behind broadsheet must love it when there's something about cycling in the news. utter clickbait for them.


  • #79
    Tony EH
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    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    He got what he deserved. Cyclists in Dublin are arrogant, even anti-social some of them. They deserve some comeuppance.

    You'd want to have some small mind on you to try and justify an assault because you have a mild irritation about something.

    :rolleyes:


  • #80
    Unknown Soldier
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    oddly enough for broadsheet,


    They went down the toilet 12 months ago.

    I wouldn't worry about them.


  • #81
    delta_bravo
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    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Whatever about anything else.. just for some contrast..

    A woman was awarded €55,000 for slipping on a patch of yogurt in Tesco..
    A guy punches and strangles someone on the street and the victim gets €3,930


    Irish justice for ya! :mad:

    That woman took a civil case. This was a criminal case. The victim can now take a civil case against the attacker separately which I'm sure he will.


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  • #82
    Darkglasses
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    delta_bravo wrote: »
    That woman took a civil case. This was a criminal case. The victim can now take a civil case against the attacker separately which I'm sure he will.

    What makes you so sure?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100292001&postcount=5


  • #83
    ThisRegard
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    Unknown Soldier wrote: »
    They went down the toilet 12 months ago.

    I wouldn't worry about them.

    Off topic I know, but it really went downhill didn't it.


  • #84
    HivemindXX
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    Darkglasses wrote: »
    It's strange how a cyclist being involved completely blinds people isn't it. "He shouldn't have assaulted him BUT...."

    That's it exactly. The is the reason so many pitiful excuses for human beings comment they way they do here. I'd say they have crawled out from under their rocks, but to be honest this sort of scumbaggery is totally acceptable to enough people that they are not in the least bit ashamed.

    If, instead of committing a serious assault on a cyclist, this person had found someone had blocked the footpath with their car and decided to give it some stripes with his keys I have no doubt the same people would be baying for blood. None of this "understandable", "probably just snapped", "I don't condone this but", "good enough for 'em" nonsense.

    Did the happen when the road was closed off leaving only the footpath open? At that point I saw motorcyclists driving down that footpath. I always walked my bike, as anyone should, but it might have been less disruptive to cycle slowly since it was significantly more difficult to get past someone walking a bike and it was extremely busy in the evening around 6pm. There was a bin in the middle making it very difficult to get by at all in fact. The road was closed because the people building Dennis O'Brien's penthouse office needed somewhere to store their stuff. They could have left an additional 2m of space on the road very easily and put up a covered walkway like lots of building sites do if falling debris was judged to be a risk, which I very much doubt it was.


  • #85
    alaimacerc
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    delta_bravo wrote: »
    That woman took a civil case. This was a criminal case. The victim can now take a civil case against the attacker separately which I'm sure he will.

    My guess is that if he were of the inclination -- not to mention the means -- to do that, he'd have refused the offered compensation in this case, seen the perp formally convicted, and then taken the civil case.

    I don't doubt the assurances here that such a case is still in theory possible, but I'm sure if he were to do so, the respondent would give it full-bore whingeing. "No criminal conviction was obtained in this case", "compensation already given", "plaintiff had earlier indicated contentment at the remedy offered", yadda-yadda.


  • #86
    Pinch Flat
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    I don't condone cycling on the path, but can see where it might happen. For example, I'd rather see school kids cycling on the paths around me rather than being ferried in suv's. As for adults, the roads have become intimidating so again can see where some would opt for the path, particularly on narrow / busy roads.

    In saying that, as long as the cyclist doesn't act the d!ck and acts civil and the pedestrian likewise, occurrences usually pass off without incident.


  • #87
    alaimacerc
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    Darkglasses wrote: »
    It's strange how a cyclist being involved completely blinds people isn't it. "He shouldn't have assaulted him BUT...."

    No, of course not! I'm sure they say similar things in corresponding cases. "He shouldn't have dragged that motorist out of his car, barged him to the ground, semi-strangulated him, and kneed him causing severe dental damage... but it's the only language these scum understand!"


  • #88
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    its thuggish bully boy behaviour ..if he didn't do it to the cyclist he would have done it to someone else, its obvious he's got anger management issues


  • #89
    Chuchote
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    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    I don't condone cycling on the path, but can see where it might happen. For example, I'd rather see school kids cycling on the paths around me rather than being ferried in suv's.

    Yeah, but that's not fair to old people who are often afraid of falling already, and get really terrified by adults cycling on paths, and even by kids cycling fast.

    We really need proper protected bike paths in Dublin (and other cities and towns), with a pavement outside the cyclists.

    It's not only good for cyclists, it's also good for the Corpo and ESB and gas workers who take their lives in their hands working on manholes; if the manholes are in that strip of pavement it's good for them. And if the drains are in alcoves recessed into those pavements, it's good for cyclists.


  • #90
    tomasrojo
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    It's definitely possible to cycle on the footpath without causing any bother to anyone; plenty of people do cause bother by cycling on the footpath inconsiderately or gratuitously. I've no idea if there was something objectionable about the way this particular man was cycling, but the guilty party's reaction was insanely disproportionate to even the most boorish behaviour. Knocking him to the ground was bad enough, but trying to strangle him?!


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  • #91
    alaimacerc
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    Chuchote wrote: »
    Yeah, but that's not fair to old people who are often afraid of falling already, and get really terrified by adults cycling on paths, and even by kids cycling fast.
    I'm not quite in the old and infirm category myself just yet (though tell it to my throbbing leg veins), but I'd say that an adult cycling cautiously and way-yieldingly at walking speed isn't going to be especially intimidating. Compared to, I dunno say a flying wedge of runners, which are of course perfectly legal on the pavement...
    We really need proper protected bike paths in Dublin (and other cities and towns), with a pavement outside the cyclists.

    It's not only good for cyclists, it's also good for the Corpo and ESB and gas workers who take their lives in their hands working on manholes; if the manholes are in that strip of pavement it's good for them. And if the drains are in alcoves recessed into those pavements, it's good for cyclists.

    Sure, but that's not going to happen especially fast, and never on every single road...


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