Bujikan

Byzantine

Am thinking of taking up Bujikan.looks interesting,have looked at the website.There's a dojo off Haddington Rd. i believe.
Does anyone out there do this?
Can anyone give me some info/recommends?
P.s will be starting a Krav Maga course at end of month- looking forward to it......!

Unjaku

For those interested, the main Bujinkan website for Ireland can be found at www.bujinkan.ie which includes some articles, images and information on training locations and so on.

The website for the Bujinkan Meehan Dojo, which has articles and a FAQ page can be found at www.iol.ie/~alexm .

If you want more information about training in the Bujinkan, feel free to PM me with your quesitons.

nesthead

Im in the Bujinkan Brian Dojo on Parnell St. its excellent and imo (of course im biased) Ninjutsu is the best martial art cause its such of combination of the best aspects of other martial arts. our Sensei Brian McCarthy trained under Hatsumi Soke (current Grand Master) and was the first to bring Ninjutsu to Ireland. he set up dojos in the U.K. and Europe, we have an annual seminar where all the BBD dojo members from across Europe come to Ireland.
The Matsuri is (unfortunatly for me) on the day after the leaving cert finishes(12th).:(
its tough to come down sometimes as the 30min warm-up can be killer and we often do conditioning aswell.

for some reason noe of the BBDs are listed on the official Ninjutsu, sites, we dont have a website so maybe they just didnt bother......

Unjaku

Just in case there are any people out there who read this thread, and come to the wrong conclusions, I would like to clear something up.

Originally posted by nesthead
Im in the Bujinkan Brian Dojo on Parnell St.

The Bujinkan Brian Dojo organisation, or BBD, is headed by Mr. Brian McCarthy. Mr. McCarthy was indeed the first person to bring the Bujinkan martial arts to Ireland, and indeed one of the first Bujinkan black belts in Europe.

However, Mr. McCarthy is no longer a member of the international Bujinkan organisation which is headed by his former teacher, Soke Hatsumi Masaaki. The Bujinkan Brian Dojo prints its own grades, sets its own syllabus, and no longer has any connection with the Bujinkan proper in Japan.

Ninjutsu is the best martial art cause its such of combination of the best aspects of other martial arts.

I would like to point out that this statement certainly doesn't reflect the opinions of a majority of Bujinkan or 'Ninjutsu' practitioners. Any martial artist who has been around for a while appreciates that there is something useful to be found in every martial art, each to their own.

our Sensei Brian McCarthy trained under Hatsumi Soke (current Grand Master)
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for some reason noe of the BBDs are listed on the official Ninjutsu, sites, we dont have a website so maybe they just didnt bother......

The reason no BBD dojos are listed on any Bujinkan website is that they are no longer recognised.

BBD members do not train in Japan, do not study with Soke Hatsumi and the Japanese shihan like the rest of us, and have missed a decade or so of training and information. For example, every year Hatsumi sensei sets a yearly theme. Last year, it was Takagi Yoshin ryu Jutaijutsu, a school of indoor jujutsu designed for bodyguards. It is one of the nine schools of the Bujinkan. This year it is kyoketsu-shoge, kunai (obscure gardening tool and improvised weapon), ninja biken (the sword methods of our ninjutsu ryu ha) and juppo sessho, which is a philosophical concept applied to training. But clearly, you don't get this information, and do this training, if you are no longer in the Bujinkan.

When Mr. McCarthy resigned, and stopped training with his teacher, Soke Hatsumi, then he effectively left the Bujinkan proper. Why he still uses the name 'Bujinkan' is a puzzle to many people.

Nesthead, enjoy your training. If you are curious about authentic Bujinkan dojos in Ireland, whose instructors train in Tokyo with our Soke once or twice every year, then please look at www.bujinkan.ie or check out the best known of the global Bujinkan message boards, www.kutaki.org

Kungfu

Unjaku wrote: »

Just in case there are any people out there who read this thread, and come to the wrong conclusions, I would like to clear something up.



The Bujinkan Brian Dojo organisation, or BBD, is headed by Mr. Brian McCarthy. Mr. McCarthy was indeed the first person to bring the Bujinkan martial arts to Ireland, and indeed one of the first Bujinkan black belts in Europe.

However, Mr. McCarthy is no longer a member of the international Bujinkan organisation which is headed by his former teacher, Soke Hatsumi Masaaki. The Bujinkan Brian Dojo prints its own grades, sets its own syllabus, and no longer has any connection with the Bujinkan proper in Japan.




I would like to point out that this statement certainly doesn't reflect the opinions of a majority of Bujinkan or 'Ninjutsu' practitioners. Any martial artist who has been around for a while appreciates that there is something useful to be found in every martial art, each to their own.



The reason no BBD dojos are listed on any Bujinkan website is that they are no longer recognised.

BBD members do not train in Japan, do not study with Soke Hatsumi and the Japanese shihan like the rest of us, and have missed a decade or so of training and information. For example, every year Hatsumi sensei sets a yearly theme. Last year, it was Takagi Yoshin ryu Jutaijutsu, a school of indoor jujutsu designed for bodyguards. It is one of the nine schools of the Bujinkan. This year it is kyoketsu-shoge, kunai (obscure gardening tool and improvised weapon), ninja biken (the sword methods of our ninjutsu ryu ha) and juppo sessho, which is a philosophical concept applied to training. But clearly, you don't get this information, and do this training, if you are no longer in the Bujinkan.

When Mr. McCarthy resigned, and stopped training with his teacher, Soke Hatsumi, then he effectively left the Bujinkan proper. Why he still uses the name 'Bujinkan' is a puzzle to many people.

Nesthead, enjoy your training. If you are curious about authentic Bujinkan dojos in Ireland, whose instructors train in Tokyo with our Soke once or twice every year, then please look at www.bujinkan.ie or check out the best known of the global Bujinkan message boards, www.kutaki.org

More posts like this woukld be good. I formally instructed Choy Lay Fut kung fu but due to family and work commitments (I work on a rotating roster) I had to cease teaching regular classes. In my opinion too many instructors and organisations out there cling onto the past, instead of focussing not on the future so much as the present. I don't see why if they are confident in their own abilities they feel the need to latch onto the names of people or organisations with which they are no longer associated.

I am still a friend of my Sifu. However after so many years away from teaching and quite a lot of missed training sessions at my Sifus classes I would never return to teaching without asking his permission to do so and especially so if I were to use his name or that of his organisation to legitimize my classes. There is after all supposed to be honour within the martial arts.

Mellor

Kungfu wrote: »

In my opinion too many instructors and organisations out there cling onto the past,

Lol, the thread is over 10 years old.

Dyr

I like how post 3 predates the ameri-do-te slogan by a decade

Kungfu

Doesn't make a difference how old the original post or the reply which I commented on are. The points made were good and still valid. Those statements should be put on as a Sticky.

There are people going around even today saying that they trained with Bruce Lee. Easy thing to say when Lee isn't around to confirm or deny those claims. Likewise people who are no longer associated with certain instructors or organisations but still use their names in order to make themselves look good. It's a form of false advertising. If those doing it are so good then why the need to use somebody elses name? It's completely different if you are teaching at a club still affiliated to that instructor/organisation....but if not it is nothing less than fraud.

Dermighty

Kungfu wrote: »

There are people going around even today saying that they trained with Bruce Lee. Easy thing to say when Lee isn't around to confirm or deny those claims.

Who cares?!

For 99% of the worlds population Bruce Lee is a mythical person anyway, like Elvis, it's impossible to relate to him as anything but a legendary figure of the past.

Doug Cartel

Kungfu wrote: »

Doesn't make a difference how old the original post or the reply which I commented on are.

Just so you know, it's not usually considered good form to re-open an old thread, unless you have something significant to add to it.

Posting what basically amounts to "yeah, I agree", is not adding anything significant in my opinion. For a thread this old, unless you're correcting a major factual inaccuracy, or some major new event has occurred, no one is really going to be interested.

Fluffy Stuff Buffer

Holy ****, didn't even realise this thread was 10 years old til that guy mentioned it. Those three posters at the top are probably dead by now.

Kungfu

Just for the record. I was googling when I hit upon this thread. I didn't notice how old it was. Just going over followed threads this evening and happened across it again. If further comment on this thread is not wanted then why has the thread not been closed. Somebody else is just going to come across it when googling and not notice the date on it. Any chance of closing it?:)