Best option for Online Gaming

c0y0te

Which of the DSL options out there is better for online gaming performance? And of course... why? Thanks in advance.

c0y0te

flamegrill

Esat IMO - pings are very very low to all the gaming servers even on the 90 euro/month package. On average 50ms lower than eircoms 90/m package.

Pings from esat to clarity:

64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=2 ttl=248 time=24.8 ms
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=3 ttl=248 time=24.5 ms
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=4 ttl=248 time=24.2 ms
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=5 ttl=248 time=24.4 ms
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=6 ttl=248 time=25.6 ms
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=7 ttl=248 time=24.3 ms

Those are tiny in comparison to Eircoms which on average would be 70-75ms, now I dont know what VIA or Eircom or Esat's RADSL services are like as I dont have access to any of them yet.

Paul

p.s. i think i posted eircom pings on another thread here or on ioffl forum.

Sloth

Reports of Eircom's pings (and subsequently Via's) that you give there are now out of date as interleaving has been turned off.
I'd go for Via mainly because they use ethernet which means you can play online with xbox live whereas as far as I know Eircom use USB modems. I won't know for sure what type of pings I get from Via's service until next week but I'll give a full listing then of all the pings I get.
Roll on next week then.

ando

those pings from esat are pretty damn sweet

if netsource's pings are disappointing I'm going to esat, forget the cap, I'm in it for the gaming

Conlai

You might be a little bit surprised with the amount you will download when playing online with ADSL when in comparison with a standard dailup.

Dustaz

Not really conlai, ive never gone near my cap due to gaming.


Via are potentially awful for gaming since it is uncapped. If you end up on an exchange with a couple of warez monkeys your ping will suffer. Takeup is low at the moment so this is unlikely, but the possibility remains.


Sloth: You can use usb modems, ethernet modems, routers etc with any companys DSL.

Cian

Originally posted by Sloth
Reports of Eircom's pings (and subsequently Via's) that you give there are now out of date as interleaving has been turned off.

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My ping is the same as it always was. Can anyone point me to any proof that Eircom have turned interleaving off?

Mountjoy Mugger

Originally posted by Cian
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My ping is the same as it always was. Can anyone point me to any proof that Eircom have turned interleaving off?

Pings have been turned off for RADSL. If you have the earlier product, and haven't switched, you won't see any change in your ping times.

Cian

Damnation. Why can't they just switch it off for all of us. (
I thought the point of radsl was to serve a wider range of areas, I would have thought they'd leave interleaving on for that.

Mountjoy Mugger

Originally posted by Sloth
I'd go for Via mainly because they use ethernet which means you can play online with xbox live whereas as far as I know Eircom use USB modems.

Eircom use both. I've got an ethernet modem from eircom, am switching to RADSL and won't have to switch to a USB modem. The only reason to go to Via would be for the domain name, more money out of your pocket, and no cap.

GUI

flamegrill,
pings well improved on eircoms RADSL service..

check out

Pinging clarity.jolt.co.uk [195.149.21.11] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=249
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=249
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=249
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=249

Sloth

Dustaz, it's true that maybe you'll have bad pings if your stuck on a bad exchange but since I'm going for the SoHo connection with a better contention ratio thats not going to really be an issue.
Interleaving is a thing of the past now for most now, I've been guaranteed that it will be off when I have the connection installed.

Mountjoy Mugger

Originally posted by Sloth
Interleaving is a thing of the past now for most now, I've been guaranteed that it will be off when I have the connection installed.

Please clarify what you mean by saying that interleaving is a thing of the past for most now....

Are you referring only to RADSL connections or not?

crazyasafox

I would not get your hopes up Sloth about the interleaving being turned off of the SOHO package.As far as I know netsources's SOHO package is eircoms I-Stream solo which my mate has and the pings are still the same.As far as I can tell interleaving is only turned off on netsources radsl packages.I have mailed them asking to clarify this but no response yet.

c0y0te

... the general concensus is, given a choice between Esat's DSL or €eircon's DSL (residential package).. the best option is Esat?

That right?

c0y0te

ando

yes

Sloth

Well when I rang them yesterday I was told that interleaving was definitly off on all packages. What more do you want me to say? When I asked about the SoHo package I was told again that it definitly would be off.

crazyasafox

As you say Sloth you can only repeat what you are told,and as far as I can remember you were the first to bring to light the fact that interleaving was being turned off in the first place(which at the moment has only been proven on radsl).And even though you were told by some of the longer posters here that interleaving would never be turned off??Point being is never say never.I realy hope I am wrong but as of yet the pings are still hight on the mates package.

Conlai

What's the story with esat & their usb modem. I was planning to use a ethernet modem through a hub in order to give in order to use 3 pc's and a laptop on the single connection. Is this possible
with esat.

Thanks

shabbyroad

can anyone confirm whether interleaving is turned off for Eircom / Esat RDSL offerings ?

Mountjoy Mugger

Originally posted by shabbyroad
can anyone confirm whether interleaving is turned off for Eircom / Esat RDSL offerings ?

Louise, from Netsource has said in the IrelandOffLine Forum that eircom have interleaving "toned down" so to speak. I've definitely got better pings today on RADSL.

Seemingly eircom told porkies initially about interleaving being switched off. Imagine that.

Praetorian

1MB EIRCOM ADSL...PING STILL WOEFUL.

Pinging www.eircom.net [159.134.237.56] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 159.134.237.56: bytes=32 time=62ms TTL=59
Reply from 159.134.237.56: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=59
Reply from 159.134.237.56: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=59
Reply from 159.134.237.56: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=59

Ping statistics for 159.134.237.56:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 47ms, Maximum = 62ms, Average = 50ms

Z:\>ping www.jolt.co.uk

Pinging clarity.jolt.co.uk [195.149.21.11] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=78ms TTL=248
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=78ms TTL=248
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=62ms TTL=248
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=62ms TTL=248

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 62ms, Maximum = 78ms, Average = 70ms

Z:\>

Download speeds are excellent. 115K a sec is not unusual. I'm going to have a go at our account manager tomorrow about interleaving.

Praetorian

64 K ISDN at home

G:\DOCUME~1\DAMIENC>ping www.eircom.net

Pinging www.eircom.net [159.134.237.56] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 159.134.237.56: bytes=32 time=29ms TTL=59
Reply from 159.134.237.56: bytes=32 time=29ms TTL=59
Reply from 159.134.237.56: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=59
Reply from 159.134.237.56: bytes=32 time=29ms TTL=59

Ping statistics for 159.134.237.56:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 29ms, Maximum = 30ms, Average = 29ms

G:\DOCUME~1\DAMIENC>ping www.jolt.co.uk

Pinging clarity.jolt.co.uk [195.149.21.11] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=53ms TTL=248
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=52ms TTL=248
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=52ms TTL=248
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=51ms TTL=248

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 51ms, Maximum = 53ms, Average = 52ms

G:\DOCUME~1\DAMIENC

How depressing. My isdn has far superior pings

SkepticOne

Originally posted by Mountjoy Mugger
Seemingly eircom told porkies initially about interleaving being switched off. Imagine that.

Indeed, shocking.

p2p

Why have eircom suddenly only 'toned down' interleaving,
what a **** ing joke, I ordered my service from via on a few criteria one being interleaving off (admittedly not the main criteria but still). Why are eircom suddenly reverting on this??
Surely a complaint must be lodged about their misinformation..

Please note i am not blaming via in any way, how were they to know..

Gonzo

Here are my ping results using 64k isdn connected to Esat Surf No limits using an internal TA

Pinging Eircom 159.134.237.56 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 159.134.237.56: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=56
Reply from 159.134.237.56: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=56
Reply from 159.134.237.56: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=56
Reply from 159.134.237.56: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=56

Ping statistics for 159.134.237.56:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 28ms, Maximum = 28ms, Average = 28ms

Pinging Jolt 195.149.21.11 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=36ms TTL=248
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=36ms TTL=248
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=36ms TTL=248
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=36ms TTL=248

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 36ms, Maximum = 36ms, Average = 36ms

ando

is netsmart as good as that? 64kisdn

Terra

so which gives the best deal and speed ?

Esat/eircom or netsource

And what exactly is interleaving ?

bizmark

interleaveing is a selfcorrecting thing on the line (not techy but i bleave true) which pushs up your pings so games will l........a.....g

im going for esat now seeming their interleaveing is off and should be at lest 20ms faster that netsources (vias) its 20 euro cheaper 2 and u get to use their modem for 90 euro (it maybe usb but i dont care and i wont have to spend more on modems that could well not work with esat)

so i changed my mind from netsources to esat forget the cap i dont download anything but patchs for my games (and thats around 900 meg a month out of a 5 gig cap so no biggy)


esat im calling ya in 2 hours!!!!

bizmark

well seems esat is bull****ing about the 90 euro plus modem

its now JUMPED to 145 euro idoits
i hope the girl didnt have a clue

NóMur

is netsmart as good as that? 64kisdn

Here are my ping results for Netsmart & 64k to boards.ie and www.jolt.co.uk

BOARDS.ie
C:\>ping boards.ie

Pinging boards.ie [217.114.166.147] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=55
Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=55
Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=55
Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=55

Ping statistics for 217.114.166.147:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 30ms, Maximum = 31ms, Average = 30ms

JOLT.co.uk
C:\>ping www.jolt.co.uk

Pinging clarity.jolt.co.uk [195.149.21.11] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=248
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=248
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=41ms TTL=248
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=248

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 39ms, Maximum = 41ms, Average = 39ms

crazyasafox

Just wondering NoMur if the exchange you are on in Cork in unbundled or do eircom supply the last mile?.The reason I ask is because a mate is using netsmart on isdn here in Dublin but the last mile is supplied via eircom and his pings are not to hot
Thanks

De Rebel

C:\>ping www.eircom.net

Pinging www.eircom.net [159.134.237.56] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 159.134.237.56: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=61
Reply from 159.134.237.56: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=61
Reply from 159.134.237.56: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=61
Reply from 159.134.237.56: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=61

Ping statistics for 159.134.237.56:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 30ms, Maximum = 39ms, Average = 33ms

C:\>ping boards.ie

Pinging boards.ie [217.114.166.147] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=55
Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=55
Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=36ms TTL=55
Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=55

Ping statistics for 217.114.166.147:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 35ms, Maximum = 40ms, Average = 36ms

C:\>ping clarity.jolt.co.uk

Pinging clarity.jolt.co.uk [195.149.21.11] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=48ms TTL=251
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=48ms TTL=251
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=59ms TTL=251
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=49ms TTL=251

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 48ms, Maximum = 59ms, Average = 51ms

C:\>

NóMur

As far as I know its an eircom exchange. I inquired about Esats previous ADSL packages but they weren't available to me. So from this I'm guessing its eircom only.

I'll probably get Esats RADSL when it comes out, but so far netsmart and ISDN hasn't been bad for gaming. I just hope I don't go over the 5gig cap.


On another issue are ethernet and USB modems just as good for pings? I only have one computer so I don't need an ethernet modem for hooking up to a home network.

CyberMart

Originally posted by Conlai
What's the story with esat & their usb modem. I was planning to use a ethernet modem through a hub in order to give in order to use 3 pc's and a laptop on the single connection. Is this possible
with esat.

Thanks

I have the Esat ADSL modem and it can take USB or Ethernet

hope that helps

-Wheeler-

To add my tu'pence -

My pings are averaging around 23ms over the last 2 days with eircom starter 516kbps, which is pretty good as far as I know, although I'm no expert. (Dundrum Exchange, D14)

Wheeler_1028