anyone have netsource yet?

bizmark

as the title says ............any one connected yet ?

if you are or arent but will be soon what modem do u have and what do you thing of the servies

Rancid

Not connected yet, but should be by 6th or 7th May.
I've got a Netgear DG814 4-port ADSL Router.

Via are good to deal with and their uncapped offer is obviously better value than Esat's 5GB cap.

Mixie

Not connected yet, but should be in the next week or so. As for my router, its the D-Link DSL-504, Elara seem to have it cheaper (check their forum under Community >> Commercial Interaction). So far it's great - I can't see I'll have any trouble with setting it up due to its rather simple to use web-interface. Its a 4 port router, and while it only costs ~€160 ( Elara ) Netsource's cheapest Ethernet offering at €229 only has 1 port... if you want to buy their 4 port router it's €479 :eek:

No cap is the big seller for me since my phonebill for 56k/month will be roughly the same as what Netsource ( VIA ) will be charging -> more usage (4 people in house all net users) + faster speeds.

I am curious though, someone mentioned recently that Eircom don't have the facility to monitor downloads/uploads yet and while I'm not sure of its veracity, If Netsource are reselling the Eircom product whats the chance that when they can monitor up/downloads their "uncapped" product will have some sort of cap, or will they just do what Esat did and complain that your usage is not in keeping with "the spirit of the service" ?

ando

I signed up tuesday 22nd april. I got the Linksys BEFSR41 router/hub/firewall



I noticed there's no Rj11 port on it (WAN), only Rj45's, hope that won't be a problem

bkehoe

The WAN port is for connection to an ethernet ADSL, Cable, Wireless, etc modem - you cannot plug your phone line into it.

The Brigadier

You need to get an ethernet modem to connect to your router.

Not all DSL routers have a modem built in..

Sloth

Next week is the week the magic happens for me.

ando

the router I have is for dsl, rj11's will plug into the wan port no problem and the router has PPPoE settings in the configuration? Why would it say its a Dsl router if I cant use it with Dsl?

edit, ok so if I do need a dsl modem, any advice on any make/model?

MagicBusDriver

I have a ethernet modem for sale at €130. Its the one eircom supplied with the solo option, ALCATEL speedtouch home. I have never had any problems with it. If the RADSL is pppoe, the router would need a pppoe client.

bkehoe

Yes, you do need a modem; read the product page at Linksys for confirmation: http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=34&scid=29&prid=20 - "This unit requires an external Cable or DSL modem with an Ethernet RJ-45 interface.".

ando

nuts any suggestions on what modem to get?

disco_rob_funk

seeing as it's a router (assigns IP addresses to all comp's on network) and acts as firewall & gateway, for minimum confusion a basic basic adsl modem w/ ethernet interface will do. PCW Liffey Valley had the NetGear 602 for EUR130 hidden out back in the warehouse last week (I work there @ weekends), probably still there if you want. I got the Zoom modem, as that's the two products together (modem & router/gateway/firewall), but with only one RJ45 port; a basic 50 quid 8-port switch does the job for distributing into a network.

MrB

Should be getting my Netsource connection some time this week.
I got a D-link DSL-604+ from dsl-warehouse.co.uk, nice piece of kit, built in DSL modem, full router, 4 RJ-45 ports for wired net and 22Mbs wireless network! Bit pricy but very flexible and powerful, good wireless security options too.

carbsy

Got a call from Netsource earlier stating they wouldn't be able to process my order fully until after a meeting with €ircon this Thursday.Furthermore , it would take 10 working days from that point before my line would go live.

carbsy.

P.S. I was one of the first to order (nearly 2 weeks ago) so I pity the rest of ye....:rolleyes:

bizmark

well that doesnt supprise me m8
after all they only made a bussiness offering then they get a lot of home users to sign as well...............so their a bit backed up no douth

as long as their worth it no point complaning eh?

Conlai

Here's a question, slightly off topic but I'll ask anyway.
I have an ISDN line & contacted Netsource with regards to their broadband service. I was going for the self install pack and then just happened to mention that I had an ISDN line. The guy on the line then said that I'd have to not only a Netsource engineer but also an eircom engineer out at the same time. Now to tell the truth I reckon that trying to organise this will be a nightmare and I'll never see both at the same time.
Can this be right or is it just some gimp talking out of his arse?

Thanks in advance

shabbyroad

never having seen a gimp talking out of his arse I can't say for sure...


anyway - I've been looking into this because I've got ISDN and use both numbers.
Indeed, Eircom + NetSource have to work on this. The Eircom engineer downgrades your ISDN to Analogue and you lose the second phone number. The NetSource engineer enables rDSL at the exchange and once the microfilter is plugged into the phone socket in your house it's done.
This means you can't do the self install.

There are other options and this is the option I've decided to go for :
Downgrade both phone numbers from ISDN to 2 x analogue lines. Costs €50 incl. VAT. Eircom say it'll take a week or two to complete.
Have self-install done for one of the lines (no further engineer callout necessary). €100 incl. VAT

You could have the 2nd phone number setup to direct to a voicemessage for €36 setup plus €8 a month (saves you about €14 a month line rental). If you decide in the future to have the full line re-enabled it's €25 setup cost.

ando

right, I'm getting the D-Link 504 Adsl router:



Thats ok for Radsl, yes?

Xithus

Its the one I bought so I hope so

thats a yes btw.
Mind you it doesnt look as good as the linksys.

ando

coming into the 7th working day since I ordered it... there must be some ppl connected by now?

bizmark

i have 230 euro here waiting so i can self install and buy a modem but im not shelling out till i know some ones ping times!

me=gamer!

MadsL

Bizmark, have you complained to eircom about Netsource being denied interleaving off by eircom, despite being told it was possible and had already been switched off...???

I intend to lodge a strong written complaint once I'm installed.
Anyone with me?

Piliger

I am planning on ordering Netsource but am very confused by their pricing.

Their SOHO and SME products on their web page are idential except SME is 89+VAT and SOHO is 45+VAT. They are both 512k/128k !

When I rang they mentioned rate adaptive for SOHO.... is that bad ? Does it make a big difference to justify half the cost ?

They also have a number of asterisks on their pricing but no reference for their meaning.

Anyone clarify all of this ?

STaN

Originally posted by MadsL
Bizmark, have you complained to eircom about Netsource being denied interleaving off by eircom, despite being told it was possible and had already been switched off...???

I intend to lodge a strong written complaint once I'm installed.
Anyone with me?

Interleaving improves range and allows more people to get onto the service, how can that be bad?

Interleaving has been reduced by 31ms on the RADSL product and so the ping times will be comparable to current ISDN pings or lower.

Netsource resell Eircoms product and so its up to Eircom to do what they want with the connection between the consumer and the DSLAM and from the DSLAM to the web is Netsources business. Netsource resell Eircom's connection so have no cause for complaint unless they want to do it themselves.

MadsL

/me looks at STaN in disbelief :eek:

Interleaving improves range and allows more people to get onto the service, how can that be bad?

Because it is a redundant technology! ADSL was developed for Video over copper...TCP/IP takes care of it's own error correction thank you very much...so I only need extra error correction if my line is long or very noisy...it isn't - therefore give me ADSL with Interleaving off and let me have the benefit of lower ping times, snappier surfing and better streaming.

IF...I have a noisy line or live more than 3.5 clicks from the exchange THEN give me RADSL with Interleaving turned on to solve the problem.

eircom have both technologies still being offered, just at different prices.

To quote the Bitstream Product description on the eircom site

For the Bitstream 1M/256K and 512K/128K products (with ATM interface) each eircom ADSL Regional POP will service particular exchanges associated with that POP, as defined in the Deployment Plan. Access Seeker traffic for these products
will be handed over at each respective eircom ADSL regional POP.

For the Bitstream 512K/128K Rate Adaptive product (with IP interface) each eircom ADSL Regional POP may service all exchanges within the ADSL rollout area, as defined in the Deployment Plan. An Access Seeker may access their Bitstream
traffic for this product for the entire ADSL rollout area from any one or more of the eircom ADSL Regional POPs.

What really kills me is that the Alcatel 7300 ASAM line cards that eircom use are underused - for instance they could rollout g.SHDSL at between 192 kb/s to 2.3 Mb/s.

Interleaving has been reduced by 31ms on the RADSL product and so the ping times will be comparable to current ISDN pings or lower.

There are still 15ms of delay on every sodding packet that I didn't want, don't need and wasn't told I was getting when I ordered the product. :mad:

Netsource resell Eircoms product and so its up to Eircom to do what they want with the connection between the consumer and the DSLAM and from the DSLAM to the web is Netsources business. Netsource resell Eircom's connection so have no cause for complaint

Not if eircom materially change the product after the resellers have gone public with their offering..Read the thread on interleaving here ...would you be happy (say) with BMW if a dealer offered free air-con, you paid for and ordered the car and then BMW came up with some excuse about why they couldn't install it...???

Netsource specified their offering with interleaving off, eircom said OK and now eircom say no we can't do it.

unless they want to do it themselves.

Nobody IS doing themselves over DSL - it's ALL eircom, even esat gave up and are now resellers rather than offering their own residential product. I suspect those posters showing low pings on esat are those lucky enough to actually have the original residential ADSL.