esat's "iol broadband" response to eircom's radsl

zynaps

Sorry if this has been posted ages ago, I was too lazy to have a look, but this is the first I've heard of it.

Basically they're releasing their own RADSL thing, the same bandwidth as eircom, with the following differences.

(inc. vat)..esat.........eircom
install.......€190........€199.65?
monthly....€49.49.....€54.45
cap...........5 gig........4 gig
cap dosh..3c/meg.....3.6c/meg over the cap

Interleaving is off, but other than that they apparently use the same configuration as istream (pppoe over ATM I think), so ping times will be a bit faster.

The (very nice) girl on the phone to esat, who actually answered while eircom just played "your love is my love" for 8 or 9 minutes before I hung up (twice) said that their install charge included a USB modem which you use but remains property of esat, and you can't supply your own.
I asked her was it not like.. illegal to do this, since comreg busted eircom up a bit about it, and she claimed it was probably because eircom was the incumbent, while they can force the user to use their modems if they want, though this may change before the product is released.
Is she right? I'd rather get my own ethernet modem for it...

Anyway, I like the cap being a bit bigger, and the price being a bit less, and the fact that they're not eircom, but I'd rather get wireless if it was (baaaaahh) available in Cabra.
It shows that they're juuust about trying to undercut eircom, dunnit... but not by a lot

zynaps

Boston

their not forcing your to buy their modem, jsut use it, and besides you can still go out and buy your own, even though she siad you couldn't. they just say that so you dont buy an ehternet model and share it

_Kaiser_

apologies if this seems like a stupid question....

but, regardless of whether it has its own ethernet ports or not, can I not (as I do now with the 56k modem I have) just install it in my "server" PC and share it out thru the existing network/hub setup I have now?

Bard

FYI, register your interest at : http://register.iol.ie/broadband

zynaps

Originally posted by Boston
their not forcing your to buy their modem, jsut use it, and besides you can still go out and buy your own, even though she siad you couldn't. they just say that so you dont buy an ehternet model and share it

She said the install fee includes the modem (which remains their property).
This implies (to me) that they're forcing you to pay for their modem to have their service.

zynaps

Bard

You have to use their modem...?

Why is that a problem?

shinzon

one thing comes to mind

100 quid self install on eircom and VIA, you get to keep modem

190 for ESATS and you dont get to keep your modem

So id say 90 euros difference would be a big problem

shin

Boston

Originally posted by Bard
You have to use their modem...?

Why is that a problem?

because USB is a piece of ****. try to keep up bard. Kaiser2000 is that nto want i saidi nthe post directly above yours, jsut get your own, once it has the right protocol, i presume this service will be pppoa. Its all about how they get around it, you no longer pay rental for a gas meter to pay smf for connection. you don't actually pay for a modem you pay to get conencted

shinzon, just what are yo utalkign about "don't, keep your modem" As i've said you can still use any adsl modem you want. I big bloke isn't going to kick your door it and rip your old modem out of the wall.

zynaps

Originally posted by Boston
shinzon, just what are yo utalkign about "don't, keep your modem" As i've said you can still use any adsl modem you want. I big bloke isn't going to kick your door it and rip your old modem out of the wall.

Yes but as I said, you PAY for a modem they supply you with as part of the mandatory install fee.
So while you may not be forced to USE that modem, you're sure as jaysus paying for it as part of the install, which is a bit unfair if you have one of your own or would prefer to find your own.
IE. Waste of money.

zynaps

Boston

don't have to explain it to me. I'm jsut saying esat would argue that its an installation fee no a modem fee

kamobe

It seems to me that none of the various 'competitors' are making it easy for people to switch from one operator to another....

If I were to be an Eircom DSL subscriber, running towards the end of my contract, I could very well be considering one of Esat's, or Via Net's offerings. But it isn't very likely that I'd do so if I were forced to pay for bloody installation again is it?

Surely it's very much in Esat's favour (in particular), to be offering a 'self install' option to be winning over Eircom's customers. Forcing people to pay €100 just isn't going to work.

byrnenj

Originally posted by BOSTON
once it has the right protocol, i presume this service will be pppoa

PPPoE i would have thought.

ando

Originally posted by Boston
i presume this service will be pppoa

what exactly is pppoa ?

Boston

Originally posted by byrnenj
PPPoE i would have thought.

Why? not saying it isn't since the first ive heard of this service is this thread. Reasons for thinking it will be pppoa.
1) its from Esat and all their adsl services so far have been pppoa
2)its radsl, while that should mean nothing in this sense, eircom and via seem to be offering pppoa radsl services,
3)this service, as i think mentioned somewhere is not llu, but jsut simply reselling eircoms product, therefore if eircom are using pppoa for their radsl service so will esat.


I don't really know the full extent of easts llu, i know its not full but hours of trawling through ****e on eircoms,comreg,and esat sites has not left me any better off.

Ando, pppoa is an access protocol for adsl, most modems will specify weather they support pppoa,pppoe,or both, dont really know if theres a difference between preformance between the two, is basically to do with where the connection terminates. that said i'm not an engineer

DSLinAbsentia

USB MYTHS

Unless you're a 1MB connection user (a.k.a., lucky bas%ard), then USB 1.0 is fine. Even the ****tiest one will give a throughput that's faster than the DSL input. USB 2.0 will take all of that and more (like WinTV and a WebCam). Hang more than 2 devices off a 1.0 port and you're gonna get bandwidth contention problems.

This really belongs in the broadband forum - sorry!

zynaps

PPP over ethernet over ATM... so I guess your machine would just use a PPPoE client..
Same as istream.

zynaps

Frank Grimes

Originally posted by zynaps
PPP over ethernet over ATM... so I guess your machine would just use a PPPoE client..
Same as istream.

They're slightly different protocols, take a look here:
http://www.dslreports.com/faq/1416

flamegrill

Eircoms offerings use PPPoE, which is different than PPPoA (obviously). I've got it here (i-stream) and i configured the router so there is no question as to what protcol it uses.

Paul

Lunar superstar

Esat are now probably going to offer a self-install option for around €90 and are apparantly going to go with a dual modem(USB and Ethernet) now aswell.

flamegrill

Originally posted by Lunar superstar
Esat are now probably going to offer a self-install option for around €90 and are apparantly going to go with a dual modem(USB and Ethernet) now aswell.

Thats the standard one they sell with the 89 euro/month package.

Paul

Boston

Originally posted by flamegrill
Eircoms offerings use PPPoE, which is different than PPPoA (obviously). I've got it here (i-stream) and i configured the router so there is no question as to what protcol it uses.

Paul

sorry could you read the thread before you post. Have you eircoms new r-adsl service, probably not. Thats the one that the rumor is flooting about will be pppoa, its a well established fact that the current eircom adsl services are pppoe.

zynaps

According to that lass I was talking to in ESAT, they will be using PPPoe, which I'll assume to be the case unless I hear otherwise (maybe she didn't have a clue, but she sounded quick enough).

So whatever about eircom and rumours

zynaps

BendiBus

Excerpt from a chat session I had with eircom

"i-stream : you'll get: free mbytes web space, 1 login account pppoe, iemail/popmail address dynamic public ip address install cd"

Please note PPPoE

I was initially told (and queried it here) that it was PPPoA. Further enquiries by myself and a colleague made it clear that its actually PPPoE

So I'm pretty sure at this stage that Eircom will be using PPPoE

(Edited to ask was it my innocent enquiry that started the 'A' rumour?)

zynaps

Again with the confusion of eircom's already in existence istream ADSL service and their new RADSL service.
While it is known that istream is based on pppoe, noone seems to have come forth with any reason to assume whether the new RADSL yoke uses pppoe or pppoa.
Unless that was what you were talking about bendy....
According to your woman, again, esat's radsl will be using pppoe.

[edit: by the way, what's the frigging difference which one they use anyway? does it really bear such lengthy hypothesising?]

flamegrill

I have it on good authority that Eircom's RADSL service will be PPPoE, therefore since esat/via will be reselling it, it will infact be PPPoE from them also.

Paul

rabbitinlights

Ive bought the ADSL router/modem thingy from Marx-computers that was 155Euros, it has since been taken off the site, i got it yesterday and all im waiting for now is the splitters and the "call"
Im at work at the moment and i dont know if this is PPPoE or PPPoA? does anyone know?
Im also guessing that if its the wrong one for i-stream starter im fairly fuked?
When i bought it, it clearly stated on the site:
"Suitable for eircom ADSL line"
Any one else bought this?
Please?
rabbit

carbsy

Originally posted by flamegrill
I have it on good authority that Eircom's RADSL service will be PPPoE, therefore since esat/via will be reselling it, it will infact be PPPoE from them also.

Paul

Yup , Flamegrill is correct.If you check the Netsource site , under the support section , it quite clearly states PPPoE.

carbsy.

Balfa

I've been assuming up to now, but i think i should really make sure...

Any router that supports PPPoE or PPPoA will store the PPP username/password in the router and terminate the DSL there, then just provide DHCP etc. to the machines connected to the router?
So i won't need any additional software/drivers on my computer, right? Just an ethernet port?

Hobbes

So is it only USB they do? I have ethernet cards already and 16 port switch. Does IOL's service lock you into one machine?

Urban Weigl

You can still buy your own modem, or enable internet connection sharing on your primary machine, so no they don't.

_Kaiser_

You can still buy your own modem, or enable internet connection sharing on your primary machine, so no they don't.

That's from a technical standpoint, but from a contractual one? Basically I have a LAN and ICS enabled now for 2 machines (and my laptop) and what I'm really asking I guess is do I have to pull the whole setup apart if I order in case they refuse to install it on a LAN enviornment?

Paulw

I currently use ESATBT Residential ADSL.

I asked about the new IOL Broadband.

I was told that the speed will be higher, the price lower, I'll change from PPPoa to PPPoe, but that interleaving will remain OFF.

Sounds very good to me !!